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30 bazillion readers wrote to say that kernel 2.3.1 is out: a ChangeLog is available here. Standad warnings, everyone-don't play with what you don't know, and expect to have everyone bail you out. In related news, Linus will be appearing at the Lotus DevCon 99' - more information is availible.
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What's the point of these kernel announcements? At first I thought it was funny when people criticised these articles but now those announcements are really starting to piss me off. Nobody except kernel developers use these kernels anyway! These things change so fast that we can expect new announcements almost every single day. Could those idiots who submit the articles please start using their brains?
I kinda agree with you, but I kinda disagree with you. In my eyes, 2.3.1 is reportable. It marks the start of a new development cycle, and thus is news. (And that only because 2.3.0 was really the same as the stable kernel, with the version number changed.) 2.3.2 and so on shouldn't be reported, I think. The day someone posts a story titled "Kernel 2.3.45 is out" I'll be mad.
Takes it about 4 hours to compile a recent kernel. I upgraded it from 8M to 20M of RAM back around 2.1.120 or so... before that, it would take it 7-8 hours, sometimes more. Not a big deal... I'd start it up, leave it alone overnight, and in the morning, there'd (usually) be a shiny new kernel waiting for me.
Oh, and I run X on the thing, too.:) It really doesn't have enough horsepower to handle X and Netscape at the same time, so when I want to read Slashdot on it, I run Netscape on one of my other machines and use display redirection... very handy.
The slowest compile I've ever personally witnessed was on my laptop. 386SX-25, 4M of RAM. Took it a little over 12 hours to build a 1.2.13 kernel.
A new kernel is released. So.. thats not necessarily earth shattering news...
BUT, to all the people whining about it:
I (and I am guessing many others) are interested in reader's comments on the kernels which are released;) Sure.. there is the kernel mailing list, but thats pretty heavy traffic, unless you get the digest, which is then pretty slow (a few times a day).
So.... i think there IS a place for kernel news here;)
the reasoning is simple: the de facto graphics standard is X. the unix console only does text. As long as the kernel can recover the framebuffer everybody's happy.
why put code into the kernel to make the console graphics capable when the unix-portable graphical layer is X?
If you don't like it, you can always disable it. I think that running suid root binaries (even if you have the source) is a scary thought.
And if we had things like KGI, it would be easier for hardware manufactuars to write drivers. The XFree people could then fully concentrate on the 'real' X-Windows stuff.
this was getting excessive with the 2.2.x series, but now the 2.3.x? come on...if you want the latest greatest, look on freshmeat, linuxhq, mailing lists, or just check the kernel.org mirrors everyday. granted, 2.3.0 was newsworthy (starting of the branch, not the renaming), but this is just getting stupid. Next thing we're going to see is that all the newbies who got in on linux because of the hype and never read the full manual are going to be complaining how 2.3.x wouldn't boot, etc, why is linux broke? anyways, to end the rant,/. is not a dedicated kernel.org portal.
Now I like seeing the kernel announcments on slashdor But, perhaps instead of being under "Linux", they should be filed under "Kernels" or somethine of a similar vein, so all you guys who don't wanna know (and I can understand why you wouldn't:) can ignore them. Just a thought:)
According to you newbies should be treated as idiots? and we must protect their poor little eyes against temptations to put stuff that could damage their PCs.
Newbies have many more imaginative ways to destroy their PC than you seem to realize.
The experienced person who hoses his PC with screwed up stuff isn't likely to be in any better shape than the one who doesn't know shit.
a normal kernel announcement IMHO should not appear on the frontpage. especially not if we are talking about development kernels (2.1.xxx stopped somewhere in the 130's - that'd be more than 130 announcements).
it's completely ok to announce the first version of a new stable or development branch. it may then be ok to announce some more stable versions as they increase in stability. also announcing development kernels can IMHO be okay, if there is a specific new feature implemented people might really care about (like when ntfs support was added to the 2.1.xxx branch).
Hm, I didn't expect that kind of Spanish Inquisition...
Well, honestly, should Slashdot start to actually censor news, just because some people may misunderstand them?
I for one want to be informed about the devel series and since Slashdot is my No 1 source of information I expect it to pass everything noteworthy, may it be "dangerous" to some or not.
"Newbies" will find many more ways to spoil their box then you might imagine.
That Lotus link was priceless! Try using Lynx to visit it. You get to see the part that says "Welcome to the non-framed version of www.lotus.com." Press the link and where does it take you? Oh, my god, can that be.. FRAMES?
Look I want to hear about each incremental update of Linux kernels. Even the development ones. But for those who don't, they could disable the 'Linux kernel' topic. If there was one. What do you reckon?
Embarassing (Score:1)
Re:Rob, please stop postings about devel kernels (Score:2)
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2.3.2 already (Score:1)
I've got to get a faster machine to do my dev kernel testing on. At this rate, my poor old 386-40 won't be able to keep up.
Already exists (Score:1)
Re:kercomp on 386? (WAS:2.3.2 out already) (Score:1)
Oh, and I run X on the thing, too.
The slowest compile I've ever personally witnessed was on my laptop. 386SX-25, 4M of RAM. Took it a little over 12 hours to build a 1.2.13 kernel.
Can't wait? Gonna hafta... (Score:1)
Last I heard Linus wouldn't take KGI...
heh ;) (Score:1)
need i say more?
smash
ah.. and for those bitching about kernel news... (Score:1)
BUT, to all the people whining about it:
I (and I am guessing many others) are interested in reader's comments on the kernels which are released
So.... i think there IS a place for kernel news here
smash
Re:Can't wait? Gonna hafta... (Score:1)
why put code into the kernel to make the console graphics capable when the unix-portable graphical layer is X?
it works, it's portable - why change it?
Wouldn't boot for me.. (Score:1)
Maybe the SMP patches weren't that good
Haven't checked the uniproc version yet.
It feels good to finally have a development branche again. Can't wait to see KGI in the kernel. Yes, hardware drivers belong in the kernel.
Re:Can't wait? Gonna hafta... (Score:1)
If you don't like it, you can always disable it. I think that running suid root binaries (even if you have the source) is a scary thought.
And if we had things like KGI, it would be easier for hardware manufactuars to write drivers. The XFree people could then fully concentrate on the 'real' X-Windows stuff.
Just my thought...
come on now... (Score:1)
A Suggesgion (Score:1)
But, perhaps instead of being under "Linux", they should be filed under "Kernels" or somethine of a similar vein, so all you guys who don't wanna know (and I can understand why you wouldn't
Just a thought
Newbies should be treated as idiots? (Score:2)
as idiots? and we must protect their poor
little eyes against temptations to put
stuff that could damage their PCs.
Newbies have many more imaginative ways to
destroy their PC than you seem to realize.
The experienced person who hoses his PC with
screwed up stuff isn't likely to be in any better
shape than the one who doesn't know shit.
announcement - news? (Score:3)
not appear on the frontpage. especially
not if we are talking about development kernels
(2.1.xxx stopped somewhere in the 130's - that'd
be more than 130 announcements).
it's completely ok to announce the first version
of a new stable or development branch. it may
then be ok to announce some more stable versions
as they increase in stability. also announcing
development kernels can IMHO be okay, if there
is a specific new feature implemented
people might really care about (like when ntfs
support was added to the 2.1.xxx branch).
just my 0.02 euros
Re:Rob, please stop postings about devel kernels (Score:2)
Well, honestly, should Slashdot start to actually censor news, just because some people may misunderstand them?
I for one want to be informed about the devel series and since Slashdot is my No 1 source of information I expect it to pass everything noteworthy, may it be "dangerous" to some or not.
"Newbies" will find many more ways to spoil their box then you might imagine.
belbo
Kernel panics (Score:1)
It's reproduceable, too... just try it
Non-framed -> Framed (Score:1)
New topic for kernels? (Score:2)
of Linux kernels. Even the development ones. But
for those who don't, they could disable the 'Linux
kernel' topic. If there was one.
What do you reckon?
Rob, please stop postings about devel kernels (Score:3)
i disagree (Score:1)
of a new kernel branch.