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Munich Council Say Talk of LiMux Demise Is Greatly Exaggerated

timothy posted about 3 months ago | from the that-was-the-beer-talking dept.

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ndogg (158021) writes "The rumors of Munich's city government going back to Microsoft seem to have been greatly exaggerated. There was a review of the city's IT systems that was called for by the mayor, but it wasn't solely just to decide on whether to move back to Microsoft. And while there have been complaints about LiMux, they mostly seem to concern compatibility with OpenOffice.org, which may well be resolved by switching to LibreOffice."

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Trying to create fire from smoke (4, Interesting)

MadX (99132) | about 3 months ago | (#47746385)

Honestly, if there is a remote possibility that a change back could help spread FUD, it's going to be pounced upon.

Re:Trying to create fire from smoke (4, Insightful)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about 3 months ago | (#47747581)

I was too busy to make comments when this story came up, but I've worked providing IT for offices for a good part of my life. You can get secretaries to bitch about anything. Moving to Windows so they can use the corporate-blessed Microsoft Office doesn't help that. You will still get bitching and moaning.

You are always going to have problems with any type of "office" app because of the people using it.

NT is best (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47746389)

Linux is for loser hippie neckbeards. Use a real kernel developed by professional buttondown researchers. NT is best.

Re:NT is best (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47746403)

impressive that you still managed to write that, desipte regular windows update reboots, BSODs and flying chairs.

Re:NT is best (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47746435)

If constant reboots and BSODs are still your impression of Windows, you should give it another try with a more recent version. Things are quite smooth these days, thanks to the NT6 kernel.

Re:NT is best (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47746451)

I do not care! :D

Re:NT is best (4, Insightful)

wertigon (1204486) | about 3 months ago | (#47746481)

I still regularly get "need to upgrade reboots" on my Windows machine. It's atleast once a month and always seems to pop up when I'm playing a game of LoL or CS:Go.

Yes, I use my Windows as a Wintendo. Got a problem with that?

Re:NT is best (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47746515)

Why would anyone have a problem with that? The fact you still use it just proves you're talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Re:NT is best (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47747333)

The fact you still use it just proves you're drooling out of both sides of your mouth.

FTFY.

Re:NT is best (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47746517)

That is simple to mend too. Go to Windows Update settings in Control Panel. Select "Check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them". After this it shouldn't pop up anything on your face when you are gaming.

Re:NT is best (4, Informative)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | about 3 months ago | (#47747101)

Great. Now how do you get it to update without rebooting, which was the actual point you are attempting to draw attention away from.

Re:NT is best (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47747331)

That is not possible, but I think that a quick reboot once a month isn't too much to ask.

Re:NT is best (1)

Blaskowicz (634489) | about 3 months ago | (#47747179)

But installing the updates is critical for computer security. I would feel at risk of getting some random malware if a Windows computer fell even days or weeks out of date on the updates.

Re:NT is best (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47747411)

Duhh! The point was only to disable automatic updates so that they don't bother you during inconvenient times. You still install the updates with a click of button after you are done with gaming. :)

Re:NT is best (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47746769)

As indicated in another reply, this is a DFO error. Dumb Fucking Operator.

Re:NT is best (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47746831)

True he is using Windows.

Re:NT is best (4, Insightful)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | about 3 months ago | (#47747131)

"As indicated in another reply, this is a DFO error. Dumb Fucking Operator."

It has already been pointed out that he was using Windows :-)

Seriously, you blame the operator when Windows insists on rebooting to complete an application install, requires a reboot for updates that then subsequently cause the system to fail to boot, and makes you wait at the coffee shop for an extra ten minutes after you decide to leave because you can't power down the system, plus an additional five at start time when you start Windows again? Try to be serious.

Re:NT is best (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47747377)

Seriously, you blame the operator when Windows insists on rebooting to complete an application install, requires a reboot for updates that then subsequently cause the system to fail to boot, and makes you wait at the coffee shop for an extra ten minutes after you decide to leave because you can't power down the system, plus an additional five at start time when you start Windows again? Try to be serious.

.. and it gets worse! i only boot windows once every two or three weeks because I only use the system to play some games. you cannot imagine how much pain in the ass it is to actually play the damn game, having to wait for 3, 4 and sometimes even 5 reboots in a row to install the damn updates. i already have limited time to play the game but windows makes it damn fucking impossible! and no, do not tell me to disable the updates.

Re:NT is best (5, Interesting)

donaldm (919619) | about 3 months ago | (#47746521)

If constant reboots and BSODs are still your impression of Windows, you should give it another try with a more recent version. Things are quite smooth these days, thanks to the NT6 kernel.

Err! Win NT6.0 was Microsoft Windows Vista and we know how everyone loved that. Even with NT6.1 (Microsoft Windows 7) you still could get constant reboots and BSODs (first hand experience). Still NT6.2 (MS Win 8) and NT3 (MS Win 8.1) may me stable to you but that GUI IMHO looks like something designed by a 5 year old.

Over 7 years ago I switched to a Linux distro and have never looked back.

Re:NT is best (1)

Lonewolf666 (259450) | about 3 months ago | (#47746663)

Err! Win NT6.0 was Microsoft Windows Vista and we know how everyone loved that. Even with NT6.1 (Microsoft Windows 7) you still could get constant reboots and BSODs (first hand experience). Still NT6.2 (MS Win 8) and NT3 (MS Win 8.1) may me stable to you but that GUI IMHO looks like something designed by a 5 year old.

Agreed about the GUI in Windows 8 (and it is desktop-user unfriendly too) but Windows 2000 and above were stable enough for me, good hardware and drivers given. I have, however, seen a few cases where hardware problems or flaky drivers caused BSODs.

You write that you switched to Linux over seven years ago. That would be in the XP timeframe. Did you use the same hardware as for XP, or something different?

Re:NT is best (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47746699)

Over 7 years ago I switched to a Linux distro and have never looked back.

Mostly because after all this time, Linux still doesn't support head rotation.

Re:NT is best (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47746805)

Actually, misinformed troll, most people had absolutely no problem with Vista. Yes, the new driver model caused some problems initially for some users, by overall the benefits outweighed the problems in a majority of cases. Remember, Windows is used on 90% of the world's personal computers. Linux is used on a tiny minority of desktop computers by people who generally accept having to tinker and fiddle with problems to get things working. If a particular driver or bug causes problems for just 5% of the Linux userbase, this is a tiny number of people, too small to make headlines. A problem on Windows gets widespread attention.

Over 7 years ago I switched to a Linux distro and have never looked back.

That explains your problem. You're clearly a Linux zealot. Who, like most, haven't used Windows in a long time. The desktop environments (Gnome, KDE, Xfce, ect.) on Linux are ugly, slow, buggy, and generally shitty. But, as a Linux zealot, you have no choice, thus you embrace them, warts and all.

Re:NT is best (2)

Barsteward (969998) | about 3 months ago | (#47746997)

"The desktop environments (Gnome, KDE, Xfce, ect.) on Linux are ugly, slow, buggy, and generally shitty. But, as a Linux zealot, you have no choice, thus you embrace them, warts and all."

pot, kettle black. you've obviously never used a linux desktop.

Re:NT is best (1)

Unknown74 (3041957) | about 3 months ago | (#47747017)

" The desktop environments (Gnome, KDE, Xfce, ect.) on Linux are ugly, slow, buggy, and generally shitty." Shows what very little you know. The main problem with KDE and Gnome is, they improved them both to death. If you are not running top of the line hardware, forget it. As for XFCE and others, you clearly do not know what you are talking about. I switched to XFCE a few years back (from KDE). It does what I want, looks great, never gives any grief. And this is in a development environment, mind you. You may want to try a Linux distro that is not 10 years old next time.

Re:NT is best (0)

Ol Olsoc (1175323) | about 3 months ago | (#47747301)

" You may want to try a Linux distro that is not 10 years old next time.

What fun would that be? Kinda wipes out his argument. Remember we are dealing with people who think Mac's still use one button meeces.

As for appearance, and setup, it is hard to imagine a Windows user not being able to figure out how to get around easily in Mint Cinnamon, and there are so many different distros, it's hard to imagine any Windows only user being able to declare them alll as ugly.

Buggy? I have no idea what he's talking about, except in a open source environment, we do stand a chance of getting incompletel or not ready for prime time software on occasion. That is a very acceptable tradeoff for not having to use Windows.

Re:NT is best (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47747501)

I switched to XFCE a few years back (from KDE). It does what I want, looks great, never gives any grief. And this is in a development environment, mind you. You may want to try a Linux distro that is not 10 years old next time.

Well, XFCE is also 2 years old. Yes, that is how much time has passed since the last official XFCE release (version 4.10). Sure, the trunk is updated regularly, but the project could use more developers. Additionally, it ships with a compositor that tears (because it uses XRender) and there are no desktop effects. I expect more from a modern DE.

Re:NT is best (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47747107)

I use windows (7) daily at work and at home, but I also have linux on some machines. For all the buggyness (which, frankly, you can get around by using something mature and stable like debian - if you can live with not having the newest hotness), Linux gives you options, Windows does not. Windows works, but it works in one way only and you cannot change the way it does things. Every day I wish I could use Linux at work because there is always that little annoying thing you could fix or do in linux and is a pain or impossible on win.
Then there is also the benefit of your local machine speak the same "language" as your servers (except if you are using win servers, which you shouldn't). Having a command line that actually works and is not unnecessarily reinventing the wheel is a godsend when you are administrating stuff or developing software. Nowadays I do most of the stuff on win inside cygwin.

Sure, Windows might work better for the average user who has no clue, but that's not really an argument. Just because notepad or another basic gui editor works better for them, emacs or vim are still superior editors.

Re:NT is best (4, Informative)

just_another_sean (919159) | about 3 months ago | (#47746529)

Hmm... That's not what [techtimes.com] I [tomshardware.com] heard [thehackernews.com] .

Re:NT is best (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47747663)

You linked to the same incident reported by three different websites. And the update in question, while undeniably broken, only impacted a small fraction of users.

One bad update does not equal "constant BSODs". Do you want to bet that has never shipped a broken update?

Re:NT is best (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47746539)

If constant reboots and BSODs are still your impression of Windows, you should give it another try with a more recent version. Things are quite smooth these days, thanks to the NT6 kernel.

I would but my days of using Fisher price toys are long gone!

Re:NT is best (1)

Ol Olsoc (1175323) | about 3 months ago | (#47747337)

If constant reboots and BSODs are still your impression of Windows, you should give it another try with a more recent version. Things are quite smooth these days, thanks to the NT6 kernel.

Haven't been paying attention lately have ya?

Last Black Tuesday fucked up a lot of users of New modern great Windows systems

And recently there have been a lot of Windows 7 users who after an update, Microsoft wouldn't accept their genuine legal copies of W7 and wouldn't allow them to use their computers.

Or do you mean some mythical New Version of Windows that won't have any problems at all.

Re:NT is best (5, Insightful)

HangingChad (677530) | about 3 months ago | (#47746609)

you should give it another try

Why? What compelling features does Windows offer that I don't already have? I want to know about Window's value proposition. With software as a service becoming the predominant model, the software you need to get work done is available on any platform. At home I work on Linux, when I travel I take my Android tablet and work just fine on that. I can write and post stories, with pictures and video, from anywhere.

A few years ago the Microsoft faithful used to make such a big deal about if you wanted to do "real work" you needed Windows. Doesn't seem to be the case anymore. It's great the blue screens are mainly in the past but I'm still missing a reason to get a Windows device.

Re:NT is best (1)

DogDude (805747) | about 3 months ago | (#47747083)

I don't know anybody who pays his/her bills "writing and posting stories". I pay my bills by working in retail, and there are no real Linux options for decent point of sale systems. So yes, for "real work", I rely on Windows.

Re:NT is best (3, Informative)

ruir (2709173) | about 3 months ago | (#47747207)

Arent they? I have seen PLENTY of restaurants with the POS running in Linux, and last time I was at the supermarket and they had a power failure in the line I was waiting, the POS rebooted showing a localized version of CentOS or RedHat... I also have seen some chinese stores with pos running some form of Linux too. On another note I have seen upper market restaurants using ipads to take the orders... Wake up and smell the coffee the days of only Windows POS systems, and dedicated portable devices are over.

Re:NT is best (1)

satch89450 (186046) | about 3 months ago | (#47747185)

I'm sorry to say that, for some companies, there is a value to having a Windows system available. I do part-time IT work for a translation agency, and the vast majority of source documents come in as Microsoft files: Word, PowerPoint, and the odd Excel spreadsheet. I have to keep a Windows 7 computer around to take some of those incoming source documents and "downgrade" the file, cleaning them up of any macro viruses and other similar junk at the same time, so the translators' computers won't be at risk and we don't have to dilute capital by constant upgrading.

These translators do their work with various Translation tools that work only with Microsoft Word, and limited to specific versions of Word. Those XP computers are *not* connected to the Internet -- the translators have separate machines for research, e-mail, and similar -- and those second machines are Macs, not Winboxes. During the next six months, they will be moving to Linux platforms for the second boxes because of the issues Apple has caused with their latest OS upgrades. Churn, churn, churn...

Why not work with LibreOffice? The customer companies are using Microsoft Word, and want their documents to have a specific look and feel as Microsoft Words renders it. "This document doesn't look quite right" when it's created and saved in Libre Office. Running text isn't the problem, it's the graphics in the document: the pictures, graphs, and drawings are out of place. "The customer is always right." But we don't have to upgrade Office everytime Microsoft feels the itch for more money.

As an aside, some of these translator's tools are moving to LibreOffice supporting a handful of Linux distributions. (OpenOffice is...right out. Too much "Oracle effect", although we'll see what the move to Apache Foundation does.) The software is *not* free, nor is it cheap...but a translator's output increases to the point that the software pays for itself in less than a month.

Re:NT is best (2)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | about 3 months ago | (#47747615)

Yeah.. great, but Word renders documents differently computer to computer.

The use of .doc or .docx for that purpose shows a lack of understanding of how the file file formats work or what purpose. The proper file format for that purpose is usually PDF.

Re:NT is best (1)

pr0fessor (1940368) | about 3 months ago | (#47747317)

You are correct that SaaS has made so much more commercial software available. {but not all commercial software there are still niches where a solution a business is heavily invested in just doesn't have a linux option}

Then there is still the problem that most users still have windows and as a business retraining is not something anyone wants to pay for so who ever has the market share will get used in business. {I think android is making sure that users are turning away from not just windows but also the desktop PC}

Re:NT is best (4, Insightful)

thaylin (555395) | about 3 months ago | (#47746721)

I believe there was a recent patch Tuesday that caused massive BSODs, so not sure your point really sticks.

Re:NT is best (1)

pr0fessor (1940368) | about 3 months ago | (#47747407)

Yes there was and as I read about it I thought "Oh crap, We have 40k systems that might be effected." but not one had a bsod so I was very relieved {because I have had an update go horribly wrong before I think it was around 2007 .Net 3.0 even though it only effected a small percentage of system it was still bad}.

Re:NT is best (1)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | about 3 months ago | (#47747087)

"If constant reboots and BSODs are still your impression of Windows"

Just last week a friend of mine ordered the stock DVDs from HP for his HP 4330s and reinstalled, allowing the install disk to completely reformat and repartition the hard disk. After hours of updates and numerous reboots the system refused to boot and offered to re-install. This was without adding any applications at all, or configuring anything or adding any drivers, etc.

" Things are quite smooth these days, thanks to the NT6 kernel."

Even if the NT6 kernel was rock solid, updates are still a crapshoot at best. I'm afraid your belief can only be affirmed with a severe reality distortion field.

Re:NT is best (1)

Kalium70 (3437049) | about 3 months ago | (#47747165)

What, has the BSOD been changed to a different color?

BSOD Colors and Reboots (1)

PincushionMan (1312913) | about 3 months ago | (#47747311)

Yeah, in Windows 8/8.1 it is a baby blue, and it has a giant :( in 128 point font. To be fair, I only got it because I mixed RAM speeds in a RAM bank. Once I rearranged them, it was fine.

Apparently, Vista (and maybe 7) has a Red Screen of Death to indicate some sort of elevated severity versus the regualr BSOD. I've not observed that one though, and don't quite recall what caused it to be red.

Re:NT is best (1)

Will.Woodhull (1038600) | about 3 months ago | (#47747361)

And yet involving yourself or your company in the Microsoft ecosystem continues to be a waste of your resources.

For all core business functions, the Linux ecosystem, despite its pimples and occasionally awkward behavior, now offers the better current and future value. And it is rapidly completing its maturation and as it does so its complexion is clearing up and it is continuing to replace its remaining adolescent behaviors with more sophisticated ways of getting along in adult society.

Microsoft's best long term strategy is to convert its software to open source and merge it into the Linux ecosystem while developing support services as its primary source of revenue. That has worked for IBM; it could work as well for Microsoft. But it means that Microsoft needs to embrace FOSS and begin extinguishing its own proprietary software while learning to dance to the music the rest of the world is tuned in on (rather than dancing to whatever it is that is that it has been playing on its own private ear buds).

Flamebait? Or an insightful summation of the situation? You decide. Since even the author of this post doesn't know which he has done.

Re:NT is best (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 3 months ago | (#47747583)

You mean like my mousepad becoming non-functional when I bring my Windows 8.1 notebook up from sleep?

Re:NT is best (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47746485)

Way to feed a troll.

Re:NT is best (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | about 3 months ago | (#47746493)

Linux is for loser hippie neckbeards, Linux is for greedy capitalist pigs, Linux is for average Janes and Joes; Linux is for everyone.

Re:NT is best (2)

DougReed (102865) | about 3 months ago | (#47747437)

None of this matters to me. Windows is fundamentally broken on so many levels. They used the universal escape character for the path separator. You cannot assess an open file, even to read it, so you have to shut things down to do ANYTHING. The logs can only be accessed using an API, and unless you register all kinds of crazy garbage, the EventLog has a bunch of empty columns. Creating a Service is the most complicated process imaginable three layers deep.
Even the Help system has been rewritten so may times, it never works right. The shell is broken and stupid unless you use the PowerShell... and again. It's 10 pounds of technology for a 1 pound problem. PowerShell is a complete pain to deal with. The Registry is a mess. All kinds of system files are just dumped into system32.

Almost everything In Windows is a mess. I don't want anything to do with it.

Oh really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47746391)

OpenOffice.org, which may well be resolved by switching to LibreOffice

I had more compatibility problems with LibreOffice than with OpenOffice.org. But that was 3.x version. I don't know if 4.x is any better.

Re:Oh really? (1, Interesting)

Vlad_the_Inhaler (32958) | about 3 months ago | (#47747071)

I'd be amazed if it was.
My experience is that OpenOffice has less features but they work better. They (OO) also seem to be to be more interested in MS compatibility than LO is. I find that particular fork rather regrettable but Oracle would never have divested themselves of OpenOffice if they had not seen themselves becoming irrelevant.

Many other municipalities switched to Linux (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47746401)

...don't know why media keep talking only about Munich. It's not the only city that switched to Linux, several others have. The Italian city of Udine, for example:

http://www.lffl.org/2014/07/co... [lffl.org]

Re:Many other municipalities switched to Linux (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47746431)

...and Turin:
http://www.tomshw.it/cont/news... [tomshw.it]

And many other smaller towns.

Re:Many other municipalities switched to Linux (3, Insightful)

geogob (569250) | about 3 months ago | (#47746841)

...don't know why media keep talking only about Munich. It's not the only city that switched to Linux, several others have. The Italian city of Udine, for example:

http://www.lffl.org/2014/07/co... [lffl.org]

One reason, size...

Munich : 1,4M
Udine : 0.1M
Turin : 0.9M

source: wikipedia (because only order of magnitude matter).

Furthermore, Munich is one of the most influential city in one of the most influential country of the European Union. From the size, Turin is not that far behind, but from the impact both cities cannot be compared. All this explains quite easily the media coverage.

But its quite interesting to see more cities considering this alternative. And with large cities like Turin and Munich doing it effectively, a lot of smaller cities and communes will start to consider open source as a serious alternative.

The open consideration of such an alternative has much more to do with psychology than with technical needs or limitations. Exactly why the media keep talking about Munich. Psychology. Marketing. And failing to understand this is a large part why open source alternative are still so far beyond what they could be.

Old news (2, Informative)

kevingolding2001 (590321) | about 3 months ago | (#47746429)

SN already covered this four days ago.
https://soylentnews.org/articl... [soylentnews.org]
I'm going to bed.

Re:Old news (5, Insightful)

mwvdlee (775178) | about 3 months ago | (#47746457)

If a site post a story and there's nobody to read it, does it cover the news?

Big deal - SN "covered" it (1)

cold fjord (826450) | about 3 months ago | (#47746511)

It's a common courtesy to give the slow kids a head start.

Re:Old news (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47746533)

Even before heise [heise.de] , which is usually fastest on german news, impressed, impressed.

LibreOffice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47746441)

A work center redid my resume with a template they had, the document saved as a docx file.
When I went to make a change at home on Libre Office, some bullets in the original changed to a symbol that looks like a man's junk.
Any change to the document would change these bullets.

There are still small compatibility problems.

Re:LibreOffice (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47746551)

One word: PDF

People sending resumes as editable document should not be hired in the first place.

Re:LibreOffice (1)

mrchaotica (681592) | about 3 months ago | (#47747267)

The web-based submission form only accepts .doc or .docx. The real issue is that the braindead HR manager who made that decision should be fired.

Re:LibreOffice (1)

aaarrrgggh (9205) | about 3 months ago | (#47747289)

The GP is referring to the classic problem of collaborating with a single document. Party A provides base information, B edits information, A reviews changes and makes further updates. Collaborating with a PDF is called markup, and relies on a single party to be responsible for editing. Not sure if Google Docs does a good enough job on resumes yet to work.

Re:LibreOffice (1)

PincushionMan (1312913) | about 3 months ago | (#47747701)

PDF can have the same problem if the font is not embedded and a suitable substitute is not available. An embedded font is the only way to be sure what you see is what they'll get. I remember loathing downloading PDF manuals in the dial up days because they would be huge (like 4 - 12 MB). Now that I think about it, those manuals often had non-SVG photos as well - those were probably the real culprits.

Re: LibreOffice (3, Interesting)

cbiltcliffe (186293) | about 3 months ago | (#47746661)

If you don't have all the same fonts installed, this can happen transferring between the same version and patxh level of Word, on two different computers.
Hardly a LibreOffice compatibility issue....

Re: LibreOffice (2)

Lonewolf666 (259450) | about 3 months ago | (#47746725)

There are sometimes small changes in table layout too.

One case where I can confirm a small incompatibility with certainty are the backgrounds in table calls. Word offers some patterns there that are missing when loading the document in LibreOffice, for instance dotted backgrounds. This is not a conversion issue, it is simply a feature that LibreOffice does not have.

Things like that are the reason why using Word and LibreOffice in parallel tends to have some friction. So when switching to Linux, best switch everything if you can and mandate ODF as new document format.

Re: LibreOffice (1)

Barsteward (969998) | about 3 months ago | (#47747021)

i've had plenty of incompatibility between 2 version of Word in the past.

Re: LibreOffice (2)

gbjbaanb (229885) | about 3 months ago | (#47746921)

Hell, at the moment installing the Russian font (well, the rouble symbol) can bluescreen your computer! I'd rather send a word document with bullet points of my junk to employers, I can blame it on Word screwing the formatting and everyone will believe me (snigger)

Re:LibreOffice (5, Interesting)

RoLi (141856) | about 3 months ago | (#47746689)

Yes, there are still many small problems, but it really pays off filing a bugreport (with example file) - they have a much better management of bugs than most opensource projects and the chances are good that you will be able to get a fix in a few weeks. I have very good experience with that.

Re:LibreOffice (3, Insightful)

Alain Williams (2972) | about 3 months ago | (#47746779)

Any change to the document would change these bullets.

There are still small compatibility problems.

Yes: MS-Office/Word still has compatability problems with OpenOffice.

Why do people always complain that free s/ware is incompatible with proprietary ones ? OK: in this case he saved as a .docx - mistake, only use document formats that are properly defined, eg .odf - you will still find that MS Word will not import 100% -- in that case where is the problem: MS-Word or Open/Libre-Office ?

Re:LibreOffice (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47747619)

I know what you mean but in practice Microsoft Office is the de facto standard. Compatibility with that spec (no matter how badly defined proprietary evil standard it might be) is what people expect in the enterprise world.

Re:LibreOffice (1)

Ol Olsoc (1175323) | about 3 months ago | (#47747405)

A work center redid my resume with a template they had, the document saved as a docx file. When I went to make a change at home on Libre Office, some bullets in the original changed to a symbol that looks like a man's junk. Any change to the document would change these bullets.

There are still small compatibility problems.

Take a powerpoint file with more than just basic text made in Windows Microsoft Office. Open the file in Microsoft Office for Mac.

Yup, Office is not compatible with itself. I've dealt with that for so long that I've come to the conclusion that a program that doesn't support itself should never be used as an example of compatibility with anything else.

P.S. - Make a pdf file. Making doc files for distribution, like resumes is considered gauche, like typing in all caps.

WTF is up with the title of this article... (2)

borgheron (172546) | about 3 months ago | (#47746443)

The English in the title is all wrong. It should read "Munich Council [says] talk of [Linux] demise is greatly exaggerated"... Editors? Are you there? Is Malda asleep at the wheel as usual?

Greg

Re:WTF is up with the title of this article... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47746473)

Try to keep up, Greg. The council is a plural body of individuals and can be replaced with the pronoun "they". Listen to the sentence with the pronoun: "They say talk of LiMux demise is greatly exaggerated." See? Proper english.

Additionally, they use a special distribution of Linux known as "LiMux", which is what's being discussed, not the demise of Linux in general. Thus that part of the title is correct too.

So actually nothing is wrong with the title in any way, but thanks for complaining.

Re:WTF is up with the title of this article... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47746549)

The council is a plural body of individuals and can be replaced with the pronoun "it".

Re:WTF is up with the title of this article... (1)

tomhath (637240) | about 3 months ago | (#47746567)

I suppose either is acceptable, but "it says talk" sounds awkward compared to "they say talk".

Re:WTF is up with the title of this article... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47746587)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/serbian/specials/1558_questions/page46.shtml says that unless you are trying to point out that the organism is made of a plurality, you should use a singular form.

Re: WTF is up with the title of this article... (2)

cbiltcliffe (186293) | about 3 months ago | (#47746691)

Which is probably the case. 1 idiot mayor says Linux is gone. A whole bunch of council members say it's not.

Re: WTF is up with the title of this article... (1)

Barsteward (969998) | about 3 months ago | (#47747031)

I think it was the deputy mayor who lost the election to become mayor

Re:WTF is up with the title of this article... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47746763)

Not really. Nowhere in that page does it say anything of the sort, but it does say the contrary:

The thing to remember, is when we look at them as a collection of individuals, we would normally use a plural noun, and if we want to look at them as a unified institution we use the singular.

Re:WTF is up with the title of this article... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47746655)

No, "the council" as a singular collective body of individuals could be replaced with the pronoun "it". Both pronouns are valid, but your choice of pronoun subtly changes the semantics of the sentence. In this case, "are" is better because it fits with the notion that the writer is expressing.

Re:WTF is up with the title of this article... (1)

jabberw0k (62554) | about 3 months ago | (#47746657)

It is a single council, speaking as a single entity. One council says; two councils say.

Re:WTF is up with the title of this article... (1)

StormReaver (59959) | about 3 months ago | (#47746837)

I don't know whether to think you're funny because of all your errors (each of your points is wrong), absurd because of all your errors (each of your points is wrong), or that you've just come out of cryostatis (Rob Malda hasn't been a part of Slashdot for a few years now).

Re:WTF is up with the title of this article... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47747389)

I don't know whether to think you're funny because of all your errors (each of your points is wrong), absurd because of all your errors (each of your points is wrong)

answer to point 1) The headline should read either "Munich Council says... " or "Munich Councilors say..."

answer to point 2) The headline should read either "Munich Council says... " or "Munich Councilors say..."

You 7ail it (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47746491)

Munich - sort of like Detroit? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47746509)

What is this place? Berlin. Koeln. Frankfurt. Nuernberg. Stuggart. Augsburg. Bad Aibling. These places all use Windows. What is this Munich and what is LiMUx? And why shold slashdot concern itself with this Detroit-like town?

Re:Munich - sort of like Detroit? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47746913)

What is this place? And why shold slashdot concern itself with this Detroit-like town?

Seriously? What is the "the third largest city in Germany"? What is "a city with 1.4 million people"? What is "the city with the biggest economy and lowest unemployment rate in Germany (among big cities)"?

Grow up and read a bit...

Re:Munich - sort of like Detroit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47747033)

It is, a sleepy place, mostly hidden away, from the rest of the world, though, maybe, in October, what, with all the drunks about, it may be in the news, but most of the year, it is asleep.

Re:Munich - sort of like Detroit? (1)

jfdavis668 (1414919) | about 3 months ago | (#47746973)

That's it, no BMW for you.

Re:Munich - sort of like Detroit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47747085)

Munich is home of Microsoft's German HQ.

Re:Munich - sort of like Detroit? (2)

Saint Fnordius (456567) | about 3 months ago | (#47747285)

I don't suppose you ever heard the term "Laptops and Lederhosen", have you? Munich is where most of the German IT industry is, and population and job growth are still outstripping the real estate market. In that respect, it's the anti-Detroit with its abandoned neighbourhoods.

Re:Munich - sort of like Detroit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47747367)

Hitler was from there so that is enough.

Note to Slashdot editors (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47746525)

If you look at the comments at the original article, you'd see people realised this pretty quickly. This is PRECISELY the reason people are flocking to Reddit. I wish the editors did some fucking work to read up on the background of each story.

Re:Note to Slashdot editors (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47746771)

Who's flocking to reddit? I'm not going there. There just isn't enough time in the world to read it all.

Trying to walk in thick mud (-1, Troll)

pigsycyberbully (3450203) | about 3 months ago | (#47746565)

Blah blah blah and blah blah blah. Blah blah blah, blah blah blah so blah blah blah and blah blah blah. Blah blah blah always is and blah blah blah. They complain about it being too slow blah blah blah incompatible blah blah blah not fit for purpose blah blah blah Pac man like. Blah blah blah and blah blah blah like trying to walk in thick mud blah blah blah. And blah blah blah so blah blah blah it blah blah blah was blah blah blah. Typical blah blah blah slashdot users blah blah blah posting blah blah blah shit blah blah blah. Is about as interesting as blah blah blah watching paint dry blah blah. And blah blah blah. Fuck off blah blah blah bollocks blah blah blah.

Why wasn't it called Munix? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47746633)

Munix would have been way better.

Re:Why wasn't it called Munix? (1)

StormReaver (59959) | about 3 months ago | (#47746797)

Munix would have been way better.

It is too close to being (and probably is) a derivitive name of UNIX.

Re:Why wasn't it called Munix? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47747105)

Münix or Mynix then? :>

Switching to Libreoffice? (1, Insightful)

Deathlizard (115856) | about 3 months ago | (#47746811)

I not sure how switching from Openoffice to Libreoffice is going to solve their problems. I know that Libreoffice has better compatibility and all, and I use it, but it's still rough to use vs MS Office.

The example I use the most is Mail Merging. It's stupid proof in MS Office, but in Libreoffice it's a literal pain in the rear to do, especially if a Spreadsheet is involved.

Re:Switching to Libreoffice? (1, Insightful)

CastrTroy (595695) | about 3 months ago | (#47747143)

Personally, I find that MS Office is much better than Libre Office or OpenOffice.org in almost every way. That being said, I use OpenOffice.org at home because it's free and I really don't need an office suite for home use more than a couple times a year. I used to use them a lot back in high school and university because I was doing a lot of school work. For professional work, as long as the price is reasonable (and I believe that for MS Office it is), than I will use the best tool for the job. Ideologies are great and all, but at the end of the day, I need to get my work done, and be able to interact with clients. If that means using closed source software, then so be it.

Also, office suite licenses are a drop in the bucket compared to all the other costs incurred by having employees. Most businesses and governments could probably save a few bucks using MS Office vs OpenOffice because that's what all their employees are used to using. I went for a week long course at a corporate training center (not for an office suite, but most courses were similarly priced), and the cost to my employer was over $2000. Just saving a single day of training would have easily paid for a copy of MS Office.

Don't get this confused with how government (and businesses too, but especially government) should publish documents for consumption by the public. Documents should be available to people in an open and easily readable format. But they can use whatever tools they want that would make them most effective at their jobs and cost a reasonable amount of money.

Re:Switching to Libreoffice? (4, Funny)

Gramie2 (411713) | about 3 months ago | (#47747159)

...but in Libreoffice it's a literal pain in the rear to do, especially if a Spreadsheet is involved.

A literal pain in the rear? I think you're not doing it correctly.

Re:Switching to Libreoffice? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47747219)

perhaps LibreOffice mail merge requires doing a lot of stuff with your ass. painful stuff.

Its so the Outlook buttons work (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47746981)

I have seen an organisation implement Exchange server so the CEO could have her outlook buttons working.
That when the mail started going down on a weekly basis.
Its hard to peel their dead fingers from outlook.

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