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Linux Kernel Shuffling Zombie Juror Aka 3.16 Released

samzenpus posted about 3 months ago | from the check-it-out dept.

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sfcrazy writes Linus Torvalds has announced the release of Linux kernel 3.16 codenamed "Shuffling Zombie Juror", which brings many notable improvements. Linus said, "So while 3.16 looked a bit iffy for a while, things cleared up nicely, and there was no reason to do extra release candidates like I feared just a couple of weeks ago." It also means that working on 3.17 has started, "And as usual (previous release being the exception) that means that the merge window for 3.17 is obviously open," said Linus.

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BOUND TO BE A BEST SELLER !! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47601875)

Just by that name alone !!

Re:BOUND TO BE A BEST SELLER !! (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47602079)

Debian will be using the Shuffling Zombie release. So the Shuffling Zombie will live on, for a number of years.

https://lists.debian.org/debia... [debian.org]

Re:BOUND TO BE A BEST SELLER !! (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 3 months ago | (#47602449)

"Shuffling Zombie Juror" is an excellent step towards people taking Linux more seriously.

Re:BOUND TO BE A BEST SELLER !! (4, Informative)

Tenebrousedge (1226584) | about 3 months ago | (#47602871)

It's actually less crazy [wikipedia.org] than most of them.

Re:BOUND TO BE A BEST SELLER !! (1)

camg188 (932324) | about 2 months ago | (#47608137)

You've just nullified every complaint posted. The only one I've heard of before is "Linux for Workgroups", which is listed as "3.11" in LMDE.

Re:BOUND TO BE A BEST SELLER !! (0)

mythosaz (572040) | about 3 months ago | (#47603331)

Yeah, I get the idea of catch codenames for internal development, but for public release...I echo your sentiment.

If you want to be taken seriously, dial down the comedy a bit.

Google's "dessert" naming strategy is probably about as far as I'm willing to accept without some serious reservations about the seriousness of your project.

Re:BOUND TO BE A BEST SELLER !! (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47603435)

Yeah, just think about all the public!

I mean, just imagine all those people looking at an Android smartphone and asking the salesman "By the way, what's the codename of this phone's Android distribution's kernel? What, Shuffling Zombie Juror?! Oh, no, I think I'll better go to the Apple Store".

Or the managers going "What did you say the kernel on our web server is codenamed?.. Right. You're all fired. We're migrating to Windows, IIS and MS SQL as of now".

Linux just won't be taken seriously by all those people!

PS: Seriously, this argument pops up every new codename change and it doesn't become less stupid. It's a codename that no user will know of a component that most users won't even know the version number of.

Re:BOUND TO BE A BEST SELLER !! (0)

mythosaz (572040) | about 3 months ago | (#47603457)

Google turned "Jelly Bean" and "Kit-Kat" into marketing strategies and brands. Mainstream news covering technology refers to Android by those names.

Picking version names like Shuffling Zombie Juror is a turnoff for anyone that hears it who isn't living in their parent's basement.

Re:BOUND TO BE A BEST SELLER !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47603537)

Are you intentionally obtuse, or did you just miss the point?

What's marketed is Android, Ubuntu, Debian, RHEL, various set-top boxes, PMPs and what not.

Nobody markets "Linux Shuffling Zombie Juror". This codename is something only popping up on geek websites and in the source code. Most people don't even know that they're looking at something including Linux kernel 3.16, or even what is "a Linux kernel".

It isn't marketed as such even to the geeks, it's marketed as "Linux kernel 3.16", and it's mostly of interest to people who build new systems - "marketed" is pretty generous term here.

It's as much "marketed" as a new version of zlib or libc is "marketed". IIRC those guys don't bother with catchy codenames at all, they probably suck at marketing.

Re:BOUND TO BE A BEST SELLER !! (1)

mythosaz (572040) | about 3 months ago | (#47603573)

Perhaps it's you that's missing my point.

Even people in technology will take something less seriously if you call it Shuffling Zombie Juror. Right or wrong, the name tells people that it's not something to be taken seriously. It might be a case of judging a book by its cover, but "SZJ" hurts more than it helps.

Re:BOUND TO BE A BEST SELLER !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47603623)

And I've covered it in last two paragraphs of my reply.

People in technology will call and know it as "Linux 3.16", which sound as seriously as "gcc 4.9" or "Android 4.2". You're absolutely off the mark.

Re:BOUND TO BE A BEST SELLER !! (0)

mythosaz (572040) | about 3 months ago | (#47603703)

Then we disagree.

"People in technology" today got to read this story, the one where they discovered the children in charge of naming picked Shuffling Zombie Juror.

It does not inspire confidence in the people behind the product.

Re:BOUND TO BE A BEST SELLER !! (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47603815)

People in charge of naming picked "Linux 3.16" as you can see in official announcement [lkml.org] .

Shuffling Zombie Juror is internal codename, which is only public because the source code is public - it's not in the announcement, it's not on the boot screen, it won't be on any product box. It's only there in the source.

If you'd google for this codename (which doesn't work as a name, as it can refer to either 3.14, 3.15 and 3.16) you'd see it's only used in rare instances on geek sites. Most instances are actually copies of this article snarfed by various blogspamish aggregators. Headlines and most sites properly refer to them as "Linux 3.14" etc.

I also like your image of "people in technology" who accidentally discover that the kernel they knew as Linux 3.14 is codenamed SZJ in the source and run away - because who cares about features, stability and track record, omg that (code)name is sooo dumb!

PS: "Children". Keeping it classy, eh? Your bias isn't showing at all.

Re:BOUND TO BE A BEST SELLER !! (4, Insightful)

epyT-R (613989) | about 3 months ago | (#47604179)

..and people who pick software based on their emotional responses to their internal code names aren't worth worrying about anyway. There is nothing more expensive than an irrational customer.

Re:BOUND TO BE A BEST SELLER !! (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | about 2 months ago | (#47606681)

There is nothing more expensive than an irrational customer.

There's nothing more lucrative than an irrational customer. Modern advertising is all about making them respond even more irrationally.

Re:BOUND TO BE A BEST SELLER !! (2)

serviscope_minor (664417) | about 3 months ago | (#47605305)

It does not inspire confidence in the people behind the product.

Linux is not a "product". It's an open, free and Free operating system kernel. Consumer economics is simply the wrong lens with which to view things here.

The code names basically never come up except in slashdot articles. Seriously, I've never encoutered one anywhere else. Maybe they come up on the mailing lists too.

If you look at Linux from the outside, you see the kernel running most of the web, most supercomputers, most smartphones and a huge number of the larger sort of embedded device.

You'll only encounter quirky names if you start looking at the kernel development side of things.

But honestly, if it does put people off, from a purely selfish point of view, that's a great thing. Why? Because it means my services will be more competitive if others needlessly restrict themselves based on a silly internal code name. I'm pretty sure my customers aren't going to stop using AWS instances and Android phones, so I'll be fine.

Re:BOUND TO BE A BEST SELLER !! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47605557)

This is stupid in so many ways.
First: Kernel developers do not care about marketability, marketshare or if their kernelnames names seem silly to others. They don''t care if you use Linux or not. It's all about technical improvements,nto about credibility in some MBAs eyes. Linus is just doing Linux just for fun (he even wrote a book about it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_for_Fun).
Second, I don't think anyone in the business of IT thinks on Linux less because of the kernel names, Linux has enough credibility due to other means (such as being one of the most popular OS:es on the planet) already.

Re:BOUND TO BE A BEST SELLER !! (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 3 months ago | (#47603601)

If you want to be taken seriously, dial down the comedy a bit.

Linus is already taken seriously by a more than sufficient number of people, so he couldn't care less how seriously you take him. Meanwhile, the kernel's code name isn't going to be printed on any boxes, nor used as a bullet point. The numeric version will be provided, if anything, as always.

Re:BOUND TO BE A BEST SELLER !! (0)

mythosaz (572040) | about 3 months ago | (#47603715)

Linus is already taken seriously by a more than sufficient number of people, so he couldn't care less how seriously you take him.

That's a strawman.

Naming your kernel SLZ doesn't inspire confidence in the product or the people behind it.

Re:BOUND TO BE A BEST SELLER !! (1)

epyT-R (613989) | about 3 months ago | (#47604189)

The programming behind it does, and it either meets your needs or not. The name is irrelevant. Good technical people learn not to use their emotions as first pass filters.

Re:BOUND TO BE A BEST SELLER !! (1)

mythosaz (572040) | about 2 months ago | (#47607683)

Great.

Now train every PHB to not use their emotions as first pass filters.

Re:BOUND TO BE A BEST SELLER !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47644755)

"Now train every PHB to not use their emotions as first pass filters"

If you're the developer & your PHB is looking at source code comments, both of you are doing your jobs wrong.

Re:BOUND TO BE A BEST SELLER !! (1)

epyT-R (613989) | about 3 months ago | (#47604163)

The seriousness of your project is determined by the engineering quality that when into it, not a string.

Re:BOUND TO BE A BEST SELLER !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47605405)

Yeah, I get the idea of catch codenames for internal development, but for public release...I echo your sentiment.

What's wrong with the public release name "3.16"?

Re:BOUND TO BE A BEST SELLER !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47608101)

Shuffling Zombie Juror

Sounds like someone got butt hurt by a jury of their peers.

Re:BOUND TO BE A BEST SELLER !! (3, Informative)

eventhorizon5 (533026) | about 3 months ago | (#47602535)

The last 3 releases (3.14, 3.15 and 3.16) have all been named Shuffling Zombie Juror (with 3.13 being "One Giant Leap for Frogkind"), so I'm guessing Linus gave up on the nonsense release names or something. I was looking forward to new ones, but there haven't been any in a while.

hm... (1)

thieh (3654731) | about 3 months ago | (#47601945)

Let's see how that turns out for my snd_hda_intel on my dusty laptop.

Re:hm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47601957)

Sound drivers unfortunately see a lot of churn in linux... I've never personally had any serious regressions hit me, though.

Arch not the first (5, Informative)

grahammm (9083) | about 3 months ago | (#47601963)

The article suggests that Arch will be the first distribution to have 3.16, but Gentoo got there before it,

Re:Arch not the first (1)

Etzos (3726819) | about 3 months ago | (#47602175)

That depends. The kernel hasn't been moved into Arch's [core] repository yet, but it is in the [testing] one (it was there first, but just barely, according to the times it was just two hours ahead of Gentoo[1] [2]). Not that it matters which was first anyway, they're both rolling release and will have it much earlier than a distro using a standard release model.

[1] ArchLinux testing/linux package push date at 2014-08-04 06:24:21 (GMT) Source [archlinux.org]
[2] Gentoo sys-kernel/linux-headers changelog change date at Mon Aug 4 09:39:49 2014 UTC Source [gentoo.org]

bleed for me (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47602297)

It's like a battle to see who's the most irresponsible.

I guess someone has to find the bugs, better them than me!

Re:bleed for me (1)

fisted (2295862) | about 3 months ago | (#47603249)

How is that irresponsible?
What do you suggest? Nobody use the software until somehow all bugs magically go away?
Or is your strawman that all systems somehow are production systems?
I take it you're the kind of person who wouldn't even bother to file a proper bug report. Thanks for nothing.

Re:bleed for me (1)

BitZtream (692029) | about 3 months ago | (#47603557)

Testers can install the kernel without it being baked into a distro.

Its funny how many people don't remember what it was like before modern distros that do all the work for you. Freaking noobs.

Re:bleed for me (1)

Etzos (3726819) | about 3 months ago | (#47604105)

To be fair, this thread is referencing both Arch Linux and Gentoo. In both cases those distributions aim to be as "bleeding edge" as possible. Plus Arch Linux puts things that may break during upgrade in the [testing] repo for a while so people can test it if they want to (baked into the distro) while leaving the majority out of it. Gentoo may have a similar system, I don't have enough experience with it to say either way.

Saying that it's irresponsible to make the most recent version of software available to users (especially in this case where the users are assumed to be power-users at least) is kind of ridiculous given the nature and goals of Arch Linux and Gentoo.

Re:bleed for me (1)

fisted (2295862) | about 3 months ago | (#47604129)

You're a `freaking noob' if you think either gentoo or arch would be suitable for production -- Protip: They're not.
That being said, I don't even use Linux, at least not for any kind of servers, so I daresay your little rant was a bit beside the point.
Then again, it's pretty obvious that you were just taking the opportunity to proclaim that you're a true Linux Expert(TM) <shudders>, so whatever.
Finally, you make yourself look like an idiot by assuming that there's a substantial difference between "Testers" and "Users" in the FOSS world.

Re:bleed for me (1)

epyT-R (613989) | about 3 months ago | (#47604263)

People can and do use gentoo stable in production environments. It does require a non braindead admin to set it up, but the results are limber and powerful, esp for updating and maintaining large numbers of hosts. The fact you don't even use linux suggests the gp is right. You are the newb here.

By all means, use what you want, but 95% of the software is the same regardless of distro.

Re:bleed for me (0)

fisted (2295862) | about 3 months ago | (#47605827)

Actually it does require a braindead and irresponsible admin, and will cause additional trouble for "large numbers of servers", /especially/ when upgrading. You seem to have quite a narrow horizon seeing what a Linux-centric fanboy you are. Hint: I didn't say i never used it. I used it for years, until i finally had enough of the mess, then moved on to BSD servers.

Re:bleed for me (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47606017)

Freaking neckbeard.

bleed for me (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47607665)

Gentoo only gives you unstable packages if you explicitly ask for them. Linux 3.14 was just recently marked stable on amd64. It'll be a little while more for 3.16.

Re: Arch not the first (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47602555)

My distro already runs it.
Mine.

Re:Arch not the first (1)

yusing (216625) | about 3 months ago | (#47604181)

Actually it appeared in the Ubuntu 14.10 Alpha 2 releases a few days ago.

Re:Arch not the first (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47604659)

My ubuntu 14.04 has had it for 25 hours and 53 minutes!

Re:Arch not the first (1)

ignavus (213578) | about 3 months ago | (#47605641)

The article suggests that Arch will be the first distribution to have 3.16, but Gentoo got there before it,

Reminds me of a kindergarten: "I was first! No, me! But I did it before you!"

Now, children, why can't we all play nicely?

Linux 3:16 Says... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47601979)

Why the hell wasn't this version called Stone Cold Steve Austinux?

Re:Linux 3:16 Says... (2)

olsmeister (1488789) | about 3 months ago | (#47601989)

Yeah. Or Chuck Norrux.

Re:Linux 3:16 Says... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47602075)

Perhaps Climate Changux

.....get a lot of Slashdot traffic that way.

Re:Linux 3:16 Says... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47606037)

You're all raciux.

Re:Linux 3:16 Says... (3, Funny)

CanHasDIY (1672858) | about 3 months ago | (#47602569)

How about, "Forgiven SYNs?"

Re:Linux 3:16 Says... (1)

epyT-R (613989) | about 3 months ago | (#47604201)

for releases with lots of usb updates, how about sarux sharpux?

Re:Linux 3:16 Says... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47606733)

or dolph linux....

Linus's office (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47602201)

As a sidenote, The Linux Foundation recently posted a video showing Linus's current office [youtube.com] . :)

Bad name... (1)

RailGunner (554645) | about 3 months ago | (#47602619)

... could have fostered more adoption, considering it's 3.16, by getting the celebrity endorsement of Stone Cold Steve Austin.

Joystick support on Linux a mess (1)

tuppe666 (904118) | about 3 months ago | (#47602877)

I have just updated my Dualshock3 (to a Dualshock4) which although was wonderful and just worked out of the box...with the exception of bluetooth...which I didn't care about and rumble (although grumbels driver and Linux 3.15 now support it...now I don't have one). which I did . Where is joystick support on Linux last time I looked was a unnecessary nightmare...trivial to set up if the program has its own joystick configuration, a nightmare to get sensible universal settings.

Re:Joystick support on Linux a mess (2)

TeknoHog (164938) | about 3 months ago | (#47603103)

Dude, Linux is a text adventure game. Just use HJKL.

Re:Joystick support on Linux a mess (1)

EmperorArthur (1113223) | about 3 months ago | (#47603429)

Dude, Linux is a text adventure game. Just use HJKL.

You laugh, but I give you VIM Adventures [vim-adventures.com] .

Re:Joystick support on Linux a mess (1)

EmperorArthur (1113223) | about 3 months ago | (#47603415)

Where is joystick support on Linux last time I looked was a unnecessary nightmare...trivial to set up if the program has its own joystick configuration, a nightmare to get sensible universal settings.

Depends on your application. The easy "hack" I use with my Dualshock3 and Game Boy Emulator is a program that converts joystick buttons presses to keyboard button presses. It also sends key commands when the joystick goes beyond a certain point, or can convert joystick motion to mouse movement.. It's called Qjoypad if you're interested.

Pro: Easy setup
Cons: Analog joystick and button presses are converted to digital keyboard presses. So you lose the fine control.

Re:Joystick support on Linux a mess (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47606083)

Your mom says she sat on my joystick last night

Release name (2)

OhSoLaMeow (2536022) | about 3 months ago | (#47603747)

The release name aptly describes my recent foray into jury duty with the county.

Linus Torvalds (1)

AlCapwn (1536173) | about 3 months ago | (#47604005)

Linus Torvalds: [expletive deleted] [expletive deleted] [expletive deleted] [expletive deleted] [expletive deleted] [expletive deleted] [expletive deleted] Shuffling Zombie Juror kernel!

Change Log:
- [expletive deleted]
- [expletive deleted]
- [expletive deleted]
- [expletive deleted]
- [expletive deleted]

Known Issues:
- Expletives are mysteriously being overwritten in buffer

Non Technical Posts (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47604797)

I don't follow Linux releases and came here hoping for a technical discussion of the newest improvements. Stupid me.

Roll Your Own (0)

jd (1658) | about 3 months ago | (#47606079)

I reject the argument that you should wait for the distro to release their own roll, except in those cases where custom patches are required to support the hardware or other software.

Instead, you should think about what it is you want, what you need to support, and what isn't working the way you like. Bring in only those external patches that actually do something for you, then configure and build the kernel.

Use hardware probes, the proc directory and whatever documentation you've not accidentally shredded to configure the kernel for what you actually have, not for generics that distros can get away with, and not excluding things the distros don't care about. The specific processor is a good place to start.

Configure latency according to what you specifically do. Microsecond latency on a wordprocessor is going to slow you down. Microsecond latency on X-Plane might be too long.

Disable everything you absolutely know won't be used between now and the next time you want to update.

None of this is hard, none of this is painful unless you have ADD, what you will get is a kernel that runs faster and smoother, in less memory, than any stock kernel provided by any distro out there.

linux 3:16 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 months ago | (#47623965)

Linux 3:16 for Linus so loved the world he gave us his only begotten kernel

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