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Linux Mint 17 'Qiana' Released

Soulskill posted about 3 months ago | from the onward-and-upward dept.

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New submitter Tailhook writes: "Linux Mint 17 'Qiana', a long term support edition of Linux Mint, has been released. Mint 17 is available in both MATE and Cinnamon editions. Mint 17 is derived from Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty Tahr) and will receive security updates until April, 2019. The Cinnamon edition provides Cinnamon 2.2, with a much improved update manager, driver manager, HiDPI display support and many usability refinements. This release of Mint establishes a baseline on which the next several releases will be based: 'Until 2016 the development team won't start working on a new base and will be fully focused on this one; future versions of Linux Mint will use the same package base as Linux Mint 17, making it trivial for people to upgrade.'"

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This is so 1990s (-1)

Lawrence_Bird (67278) | about 3 months ago | (#47161993)

Honestly are distro updates really news anymore? Certainly not front page type news.

Re:This is so 1990s (5, Insightful)

MrBingoBoingo (3481277) | about 3 months ago | (#47162013)

Not for every distro, but for a few it still is. It's a combination of popularity and infrequency of releases that determines if the update is newsworthy,

Re:This is so 1990s (1)

aliquis (678370) | about 3 months ago | (#47162973)

And what matters are likely still Debian, Redhat, openSUSE and Slackware or more used derivates of those =P

Re:This is so 1990s (1)

kodomo (1100141) | about 3 months ago | (#47164597)

You sure have not used MATE for desktop.

Re:This is so 1990s (1)

aliquis (678370) | about 3 months ago | (#47165441)

I've booted Live CDs of both flavours of Linux Mint and I have nothing against Linux Mint. I just haven't made a decision for what is better and imagine I'd be able to use both Unity and Gnome 3 shell if I tried it out enough / bothered learning how to use them. I would likely end up using Gnome 3 of the four though Cinnemon, MATE and LXDE and such will of course be familiar from the beginning.

I use KDE, Enlightenment och Razor-Qt (not now waiting for LXDE-Qt.)

I know Ubuntu have side-stepped somewhat from Debian and maybe they end up getting the same with systemd for instance soon.

I'd still consider both Ubuntu and Linux Mint Debian derivatives.

Both Fedora and Linux Mint covered by more popular derivatives of Redhat and Debian.

Re:This is so 1990s (1)

kodomo (1100141) | about 3 months ago | (#47165737)

I use linux as the day-to-day desktop at work since ubuntu 9.10.

In thoose days I used to let the laptop on for the entire week.. and was not a problem. But then.... well we all have an idea, I needed two or three reboots per week because the sistem thrashed a lot of memory.. tried alternatives, kubuntu, xubuntu, but they all lack stability.

MATE is a simple, neat destop that ... "just works". I'm just old fashoined and don't need a fancy UI.

Re:This is so 1990s (2)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47162111)

Mint is the number 1 distro according to Distrowatch. So imagine the possibility that someone else does care.

Re:This is so 1990s (1)

Chrisq (894406) | about 3 months ago | (#47162563)

Mint is the number 1 distro according to Distrowatch. So imagine the possibility that someone else does care.

An according to users, cinnamon is "number two".

Re:This is so 1990s (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47164065)

Oh great, so now windows users aren't the only stupid ones anymore? Now you're starting to pick on Linux users too?
That's just great!

Re:This is so 1990s (5, Informative)

xeno (2667) | about 3 months ago | (#47162203)

For a major update to this distro it is. Mint is the reasonable middle ground in a sea of partisan battles and "UX" disasters. The past couple of years has seen Shuttleworth slam Ubuntu's rudder over to starboard with Unity as the ONE-true-way, then MS followed suit with Metro as the MORE-ONE-true bastard child of Unity and IOS, and Gnome passed the Jonestown kool-aid with Gnome3 as the ONEST-true-way. I've lost count of the number of major companies and orgs that decided to shove their half-baked ideas into production; usability and feedback be damned.

By contrast, Mint's "Mr Neutral" Clem provided support for a variety of GUIs while focusing on the underlying stability and functionality of the OS. Remember way back when Gates derided the notion of an OS that just improved stability and performance without introducing a slew of new features? He said Microsoft would never do that, and this was a dumb idea. Well, Clem did the reasonable thing -- he and the team worked on stability ad performance... with a *choice* of new UI features. Take it leave it, love it or hate it, you can't deny that Mint gives you tons of operational/UI choice while resolving much of the technical bustedness that has been a weak spot for Linux acceptance.

I'm typing this on a fully configured Mint 17 system. I booted from a live USB drive at 8:38pm, and the install from bare metal was complete by 8:44. Connected to the wifi and had all updates pulled and installed by 8:55pm. A few quick tweaks that any newbie could do, and I'm up and running with a fully current system, office suite, media tools, with tunes playing in the background, and *everything* just works -- in about 20 minutes. (I played with it over the weekend on a bench full of systems, and have yet to find a recent HP, Lenovo, or Dell not fully supported.) With Mint I get the "just works" simplicity of OSX with the ass-kicking power of Linux, and in another 20min I'll have Wine installed with my genuine copy of MS Office (Visio if nothing else). And I still have the linux-just-rocks no-click configuration of my office scanner without downloading the 350mb driver package for Windows. Mint is happiness for total luddites who want stuff to look like WIn95, while maintaining compatibility and app-management consistency with faux-modern-minimalists who want the UI to look like an empty white room. Take your pick... it just works. I actually *enjoy* using Mint.... and so do the less-geeky people who just want to click and do stuff.

This is what an OS should be.

Re:This is so 1990s (3, Interesting)

dna_(c)(tm)(r) (618003) | about 3 months ago | (#47162271)

I'm not sure, but was the KDE 4.0 disaster in 2008 not started for the same ONE reason?

It made me switch to Gnome...

Re:This is so 1990s (2)

Stormwatch (703920) | about 3 months ago | (#47162307)

The thing about KDE was that 4.0 was still very incomplete. It should have been called "beta" until 4.2 came out.

Re:This is so 1990s (2, Insightful)

danbuter (2019760) | about 3 months ago | (#47163083)

But it wasn't. After the fact, people tried to say that it was "for devs only", but when 4.0 was released, they were trumpeting it like crazy. I LOVED KDE3. I wish KDE4 had never been made.

Re:This is so 1990s (1)

jbolden (176878) | about 3 months ago | (#47163491)

No KDE4 was just an upgrade to KDE3 with lots of new features. They just didn't make it clear that distributions should not switch and so there was huge backlash as the bugs got worked out.

Re:This is so 1990s (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47162301)

the ass-kicking power of Linux

Which all sounds very exciting until you realize that doesn't really mean anything significant. Let's face it, once you've launched your programs you really don't care about the underlying OS so if it has a funny launcher it's no big deal - normal people dont care about the OS, it is there to run their applications and once you're in Counterstrike or WoW or Photoshop or AutoCAD or Maya or Premiere or MS Office or LibreOffice or iWork or Firefox the OS it is running on is pretty much irrelevant.

Re:This is so 1990s (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47162417)

Which all sounds very exciting until you realize that doesn't really mean anything significant. Let's face it, once you've launched your programs you really don't care about the underlying OS so if it has a funny launcher it's no big deal

Exactly. And with that in mind, since we left the 90's it has been really hard to find a good program launcher that isn't incredibly bloaty and that doesn't hinder my workflow.

Re:This is so 1990s (4, Insightful)

r_a_trip (612314) | about 3 months ago | (#47162679)

***Exactly. And with that in mind, since we left the 90's it has been really hard to find a good program launcher that isn't incredibly bloaty and that doesn't hinder my workflow.***

Exactly this. It's the same for me. I'm not necesarilly married to the "Win95" paradigm, but if I'm going to dump it, I expect the replacement to enhance my daily workflow, not drive me up the wall with distracting and context breaking view switches.

It may be the modern thing on mobile phones, but there it is not a matter of innovation, but of working around restraints of the (still) limited mobile hardware.

As long as nothing better comes along, I'll be on Cinnamon.

Re:This is so 1990s (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47164171)

... the OS it is running on is pretty much irrelevant.

Exactly. This is why I feel an operating system should be as bare as possible. I just need Windows for loading programs that I want to use. I don't need Internet Explorer, Windows Media Player, Modern UI, Movie Maker, and the many other things MS throws in. The only extras in Windows that I use are calc.exe, notepad.exe and explorer.exe, which I can easily find good replacements for. Due to changes with explorer.exe in Windows 7, I've been using FreeCommander and Directory Opus more often.

Quietly Sweeping Windows Under a Rug (1)

zakkudo (2638939) | about 3 months ago | (#47164775)

Well.... if the apps on your system actively hide the flaws of your OS that may be true. The reason why IDEs and all-encompasing single window programs are so popular in general is because they hide how bad the Windows shell is. Windows is playing no part in "just getting out of the way." It is being quietly swept under a rug. No one wants to interact with Windows on windows. Best to just maximize everything and use the taskbar.

Re:This is so 1990s (1)

Xolvix (3649657) | about 3 months ago | (#47162337)

(Visio if nothing else)

I don't want to be "that guy", but can LibreOffice Draw act as a reasonable substitute to Visio? Apart from the benefit of being a native app, it seems to load up Visio documents fine and has all the same functionality, at least from my own uses of it. If it's not suitable yet, are you trying to learn it at least so you can transition from Visio to Draw? I only ask because Wine is best used as a transition tool to help in the meantime while one learns to use equivalent native apps; relying on it long-erm is asking for trouble given its nature for regressions in each new version (among other problems).

In my experience, what keeps me off Linux is if I feel I need to use certain Windows-only tools. Given there's nothing in Linux that's Linux-only which I can't find an equivalent for in Windows, I end up staying with Windows because it supports everything including the edge cases, whereas Linux doesn't. I've been working towards cross-platform independence though for many years (even with games) for this very reason, so I guess I just humble recommend giving LO Draw another go if you haven't already. If you have and think it sucks, please disregard everything I've said. :)

Re:This is so 1990s (1)

Chrisq (894406) | about 3 months ago | (#47162571)

Given there's nothing in Linux that's Linux-only which I can't find an equivalent for in Windows, I end up staying with Windows because it supports everything including the edge cases, whereas Linux doesn't

There are a few - I haven't found anything as easy for simple video editing as OpenShot for example. Admittedley this is a niche program for people who want to edit and caption and use a few preset "fades" but don't need to learn to use a full-featured video suite.

Re:This is so 1990s (1)

damnbunni (1215350) | about 3 months ago | (#47163283)

I wonder how the port of OpenShot to Windows and Mac is coming along. They raised $45,000 in a Kickstarter last year for that purpose.

Re:This is so 1990s (1)

Chrisq (894406) | about 3 months ago | (#47163653)

I wonder how the port of OpenShot to Windows and Mac is coming along. They raised $45,000 in a Kickstarter last year for that purpose.

Since its Qt based I would have thought that a port would be relatively easy

a bit like /. beta (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47162435)

I've lost count of the number of major companies and orgs that decided to shove their half-baked ideas into production; usability and feedback be damned.

Reminds me of a certain 'news for nerds' website beta...

Re:This is so 1990s (2)

klui (457783) | about 3 months ago | (#47162567)

Did they fix the update printing out diffs based on Mint's modifications of some configuration files and one needs to choose the conflict resolution?

Re:This is so 1990s (1)

aliquis (678370) | about 3 months ago | (#47162955)

Did they fix the update printing out diffs based on Mint's modifications of some configuration files and one needs to choose the conflict resolution?

How should they fix it?

I think that is straight from Debian.

Re:This is so 1990s (1)

number6x (626555) | about 3 months ago | (#47163369)

Exactly! Without viewing the diffs, how would you know which config to choose? I don't want updates overwriting any of my custom configs. Then you have to spend time setting things back the way you want. By showing the diffs, you get to chosse to keep your config pr let the update re-set it.

Re:This is so 1990s (2)

biloute (1210348) | about 3 months ago | (#47162593)

I noticed the same benefits using Xubuntu 14.04. A lightweight user interface, very fast and easy to use. The OS is also very fast to install, very fast to boot, everything just works and updating is smooth. It may not be as "fancy" as regular Ubuntu or Mint, but I find Xubuntu very stable and polished (our usage is file and compute servers/clusters, desktops, mostly software development and office work).

Re:This is so 1990s (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47162619)

That's funny; i had the same experience last week. Until i installed skype from the included software manager. Install fine, nice icon added to start it up. However, it didnt work. No errors. Only further investigation in the console brought up something about a library missing which could then be fixed.

So yes, if you dont need any other 3rd party apps its fine. When you need 3rd party apps, it's still very much Linux as we expect it. (trying to copy content to an iPhone was also a disaster)

Thanks. Bad naming. (1)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | about 3 months ago | (#47162707)

Thanks for the explanation.

It amazes me how self-defeating open source software developers can be in naming their efforts. Mint Mate (mah-teh?) uses a foreign word with more than one foreign pronunciation [wikipedia.org] , and a different pronunciation and meaning in English. The name discourages new users.

Re:Thanks. Bad naming. (2)

martin-boundary (547041) | about 3 months ago | (#47162777)

Mate, what's the foreign word you talking about? Bruce.

Confusing no matter where you are from (1)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | about 3 months ago | (#47164611)

Mate would be fine. The problem is that it's Mah-teh in Portuguese and another pronunciation in Spanish. So, it doesn't matter where you are from, it's confusing. In 3 languages.

Re:Thanks. Bad naming. (1)

Threni (635302) | about 3 months ago | (#47163027)

Mate is a simple to pronounce, unambiguous word for most people. And if people pronounce it wrong, so what? Correct them, or let it go. If you're talking to someone about about a Linux distro, then from the context people are going to know you're not talking about a drink.

Is there a single word which is unambiguously pronounced around the world? My money's on no. Personally I think they should have called it Mint 17 Ghoti, which is of course pronounced "fish".

Re: Thanks. Bad naming. (1)

Circlotron (764156) | about 3 months ago | (#47163559)

"Is there a single word which is unambiguously pronounced around the world? " Taxi?

Re: Thanks. Bad naming. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47164877)

Tah-she.

Re:Thanks. Bad naming. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47165559)

I don't even pronounce "Mint" the right way, I say as in "grind" or "find" but then I found it is a regular "i" like in "bin". I still do as before because I find it easier to say.

Re:Thanks. Bad naming. (2)

Ol Olsoc (1175323) | about 3 months ago | (#47163123)

It amazes me how self-defeating open source software developers can be in naming their efforts. Mint Mate (mah-teh?) uses a foreign word with more than one foreign pronunciation [wikipedia.org] , and a different pronunciation and meaning in English. The name discourages new users.

We really are precious little snowflakes aren't we? I had to go into therapy the first time I saw the word Ubuntu.

Linux will never be successful until we have real American names like Hero OS, or Exceptionalism. Fox news can run contests to come up with the best, proper American names that will fill us all with pride, and finally allow people to come out fearlessly and install the OS.

I vote for Linux Patriot, myself

Re:Thanks. Bad naming. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47163273)

a foreign word with more than one foreign pronunciation

Mate was forked by an argentine.

Just reminding you that there are other countries outside your own and no, we moved past the abacus a while ago.

Re: Thanks. Bad naming. (1)

Type44Q (1233630) | about 3 months ago | (#47163429)

we moved past the abacus a while ago

That was your big mistake; just wait till that solar flare comes*

*In my day, we burned yak butter to melt our solder.

Re:Thanks. Bad naming. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47163331)

But you just are confortable with English out of habit. English words are a bad choice for non natives either. English spelling (and pronounciation from written word) is really hard, you don't realize because you already know. Remember those school spelling contests, don't you? In Spanish, and I guess Portuguese, Italian, German and most other languages there are no such thing.
So, Mate eventually discourages new English users. And of course, I'm not really sure if Mate (and Trinity) are the answer if you don't like KDE 4 or Gnome 3.

Re:This is so 1990s (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47163045)

I hear you. Mint is a truly great thing. Switched my Linux desktop to Mint from Ubuntu when the Unity trainwreck was thrust upon us.

However.....

Once you've got this splendid system up and running you'll soon find that you can't do fully professional image work, you can't do fully professional audio work, etc. etc. etc....

Why ? Because the programs available on Linux are simply not good enough.

When will the Linux developer community get this basic point ?

Instead of endlessly fucking around with the basic interface (which has had several flavours that have been good enough to use since the 1980s) why don't they write some actual useful, productive, professional quality APPLICATIONS.

Fuck all this endless GUI reconfiguration. Where are the APPLICATIONS ??????????????????????

Re:This is so 1990s (3, Insightful)

danbuter (2019760) | about 3 months ago | (#47163099)

Because that would be hard. Linux has thousands of programs that are 90% done. Very, very few that would qualify as 100% ready, though.

Re:This is so 1990s (1)

Ol Olsoc (1175323) | about 3 months ago | (#47163161)

Once you've got this splendid system up and running you'll soon find that you can't do fully professional image work, you can't do fully professional audio work, etc. etc. etc...

For those, I have my Mac. Unix-like based OS, and it pretty much does what you ask for.

But my other computers are all Linux, and that's just fine. I'm going to have more than one, because I'm surely not going to do photo or video work on a small screen. So everything has OO on it, they are compatible - something MSO never was between OS's, and they all do their thing very well.

Plus just one terminal language to use now.

Re:This is so 1990s (2)

Walter White (1573805) | about 3 months ago | (#47163779)

Where are the APPLICATIONS ??????????????????????

Here's one: http://entertainment.slashdot.... [slashdot.org]

I suppose this only counts if you count Pixar as professionals.

Re:This is so 1990s (2)

Grishnakh (216268) | about 3 months ago | (#47164595)

Instead of endlessly fucking around with the basic interface (which has had several flavours that have been good enough to use since the 1980s) why don't they write some actual useful, productive, professional quality APPLICATIONS.

That's because the people who make the desktop environments just work on those, rather than building applications. It's the same problem in corporations: once you've hired some people into a team to do X, they need to keep doing X forever, until you finally lay them all off. You can't just call X "done" and move on to something else, because then some managers will throw a fit because they're no longer relevant. So those managers will come up with stuff for their teams to do so they continue to look relevant. It's basically the same with groups like GNOME. They're already got an organization set up, so they're going to continue doing what they know, which is UI stuff. They don't know anything about pro audio or pro image work, so they can't very easily switch over to that.

Re:This is so 1990s (1)

Kjella (173770) | about 3 months ago | (#47166439)

That's because the people who make the desktop environments just work on those, rather than building applications. It's the same problem in corporations: once you've hired some people into a team to do X, they need to keep doing X forever, until you finally lay them all off. You can't just call X "done" and move on to something else, because then some managers will throw a fit because they're no longer relevant.

Desktop environments are not "done", true my desktop might on the surface resemble Win95, but a lot has happened under the hood on system management tools. Yes, a lot of that is happening deep down in a driver stack but very often it involves exposing new functionality or removing old functionality in control panels, system settings, control applets or whatever. That's just boring maintenance work though, the problem is the UI coders want to do something cool and innovative - they're mostly volunteers after all, not paid to tweak old code based to accommodate changes in other software. I think it's the exact opposite problem, it's work that doesn't get done unless you pay them to do it not busywork done to justify the paycheck. What you have is exactly what you get when people only do the parts of the job they like.

Re:This is so 1990s (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | about 3 months ago | (#47166485)

You'd think, but Windows Metro shows that there's no shortage of teams of professionals who want to do major re-vamps of already-finished stuff just because they think it's "cool and innovative".

Re:This is so 1990s (1)

colfer (619105) | about 3 months ago | (#47163465)

Cinnamon or Mate?

Re:This is so 1990s (1)

Nimey (114278) | about 3 months ago | (#47163693)

I was a GNOME 2 diehard, then I preferred MATE, but Cinnamon's really growing on me.

Re:This is so 1990s (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47163899)

(I played with it over the weekend on a bench full of systems, and have yet to find a recent HP, Lenovo, or Dell not fully supported.)

Acer S7 with striped SSD's? And it won't destroy my battery life? And won't make my fan blow like crazy 24/7??

Re:This is so 1990s (1)

Parker Lewis (999165) | about 3 months ago | (#47166591)

underlying stability and functionality of the OS

Which came from Ubuntu, which is based on Debian.

Re:This is so 1990s (3, Informative)

captainpanic (1173915) | about 3 months ago | (#47162519)

The long term support version of Linux Mint is indeed newsworthy. I think it is the upcoming popular Linux for the desktop. Why? Because it works, without any unnecessary fancy stuff.

In fact, I would recommend it to anyone who wants to upgrade an old WinXP computer to something more 2014. From experience I can say that installation is really easy, and it will allow you to go online, email, watch movies, listen music or write any documents/excel sheets just like XP did.

Re:This is so 1990s (5, Interesting)

AthanasiusKircher (1333179) | about 3 months ago | (#47163793)

I think it is the upcoming popular Linux for the desktop.

Upcoming?

Linux Mint has received the most hits of any distro over at DistroWatch [distrowatch.org] for the past 2.5 years or so, after it surpassed Ubuntu.

There's no way to get hard numbers on this sort of stuff, but Mint has already been one of the most popular Linux desktop distros for years, and some have claimed (based on DistroWatch and other sites with hit counts) that it has been #1 (or close to it) for a few years already.

I'm sure others will chime in here with some other data, but my anecdotal evidence is that I know four friends who switched to Linux in the past couple years. While I'm sure I talked about Linux with them, I wasn't involved in their decision, and I don't think any of them had a lot of guidance from other friends about which distro to go with... they just wanted to try Linux. And all four have ended up using Mint. Some checked out Ubuntu but didn't like it, or read articles saying Mint was better, so they decided to try Mint instead.

Again, I'm not claiming this is hard proof of anything. But there's been a lot of buzz around Mint, and it clearly has had enough positive press to pull in some of my friends who were looking to try Linux.

In fact, I would recommend it to anyone who wants to upgrade an old WinXP computer to something more 2014.

Agreed. Even 5 years ago, I would NOT have recommended desktop Linux as a serious replacement, unless the person had some family member or friend who could be "tech support" when something weird went wrong and the fix required editing a bunch of text files on the command line. I certainly wouldn't recommend any inexperienced users try to install it by themselves, unless they were technologically savvy and had some command line experience. (Someone might get lucky, though, and get a system working immediately with no tweaking.)

But today? It may not be the perennial "Year of the Linux desktop," but we do finally have things that "just work" in many more user cases than ever before. I hopped from distro to distro for years, trying to find something I didn't have to tinker with all the time or worry whether multimedia would randomly not work or whether an upgrade would break half of the things I spent hours fixing for last upgrade. Linux Mint was the first to approach a relatively stable "just works" philosophy for the casual desktop user.

I even installed it on an older useless underpowered laptop for a clueless family member over the holidays (Windows had slowed the point that it wasn't useful, and they were tired of Windows). I didn't make any special tweaks other than putting a few shortcuts on the desktop. I knew I only see these people over the holidays, so I wouldn't be around for random tech support. But I wasn't concerned because they had basically just stopped using this computer, so the worst case scenario was that it remained useless. Recently, I heard it was still working great... and if Mint can survive as a useful system for 6 months on the machine of a clueless relative who never used Linux before, well, I'd say that's an achievement.

Re:This is so 1990s (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47162597)

This is news to me. I use Debian at home, but installed Mint&Mate on few relatives and friends machines when they need to replace Windows XP. The Mint with mate is really a good replacement for XP, as it is as stable and updates itself automatically. What is the most important, it can be used from day one by anyone who has used some Windows before. I would never have installed Windows 8 to them, as it would have caused daily support calls to perform even the easiest tasks.

Re:This is so 1990s (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47163169)

If was still the 1990's this would have been called Mint 0.14a04 Beta

Re:This is so 1990s (1)

BrendaEM (871664) | about 3 months ago | (#47164193)

Yes, it's still news if you want to get work done, and don't care for Windows 8, and don't want want to buy Apple's disposable computers.

Re:This is so 1990s (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47164727)

Ever read an actual newspaper and wonder how much of that is "news"?

Front page articles about how "Beiber stubbed his toe". The thing is it might not be news to you, and you can just not read it.

Slow (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47162001)

Bit slow to report this, aren't we, /.?

Upgraded to Qiana a couple of days ago.

Re:Slow (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47162045)

Wow, downvoted or pointing out that this is not news because it happened several days ago. The beta-lovers are here, I see.

I guess I'll bite the bullet on Cinnamon (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47162015)

It looks KDE-enough to give it a shot. But this better be the last time I have to reinstall Mint, I've had to do it every release.

Re:I guess I'll bite the bullet on Cinnamon (1)

Extide (1002782) | about 3 months ago | (#47162079)

Is the upgrader really that bad? I have a Ubuntu server that's been around since 2010 vintage and upgraded to every-single-release between now and then. It should be pretty much the same thing IMO

Re:I guess I'll bite the bullet on Cinnamon (1)

websitebroke (996163) | about 3 months ago | (#47163483)

I figured that to be the case between KDE Mint 15 and 16, having come from Kubuntu. The Mint folks actively discourage upgrading and encourage fresh installs. Turns out they mean it. dist-upgrade did not work for me as it has for the past umpteen years with Kubuntu. That's one of a few reasons I'm switching back to Kubuntu.

Re:I guess I'll bite the bullet on Cinnamon (2)

Nimey (114278) | about 3 months ago | (#47163737)

Unless it's changed recently, the official recommendation is to use the backup utility on your Mint install (which backs up data and notes your installed packages), then do a clean reinstall of Mint, then lastly run the backup utility to restore data and packages. You can do it the other way but the Mint project's resources are limited and success is not guaranteed.

Re:I guess I'll bite the bullet on Cinnamon (1)

PRMan (959735) | about 3 months ago | (#47165083)

Honestly, I like this idea. Sounds a lot cleaner.

Re:I guess I'll bite the bullet on Cinnamon (1)

PRMan (959735) | about 3 months ago | (#47165069)

I've had 3 Ubuntu systems that upgraded themselves to a black screen. Twice it took hours to recover. The third time I quit using Linux.

Re:I guess I'll bite the bullet on Cinnamon (1)

dkman (863999) | about 3 months ago | (#47165817)

That happened to me once. At that time I made some notes, so if it happened again I'd be able to recover easier.
Those notes are on Google Drive so I can get to them from any working device.

# to recover from a boot to blank screen (i think mine was all white)
# press "e" on grub screen to edit ubuntu boot command
# near end of "linux ..." line after "splash" add " radeon.modeset=0"
# for me it booted to command line, not gui
# then startx gave me a "no screens found" error
# see http://community.linuxmint.com... [linuxmint.com] for more info/different video driver options

Honestly at the time I had this issue I didn't feel like fighting with it, and it wasn't that difficult for me to just back up my stuff and install the new version, so that's what I did. But I knew that I *could* have fixed it from the prompt or booted from live CD if i wanted a GUI.

Since then I have also switched from Mint Cinnamon to Lubuntu. I really haven't had any problems with Lubuntu.**

I love the look and feel of Cinnamon, and highly respect Clem's model/team/etc.
The reasons, not that any of these are major:
- I thought some older systems would prefer a light weight GUI
- In a VM Cinnamon complains that there's no hardware acceleration (though it still works fine)
- To move closer to the base platform (Debian to Ubuntu to Mint, there's a lag for something updated at the root...or at least a perception thereof)
Also at the time certain games in Steam launched in a window with no border and the mouse wouldn't leave the window to manipulate the desktop which annoyed me enough to see if other Linux flavors had the same issue. I actually haven't messed with those much since settling on Lubuntu so I can't say if it has the same issue.
** I take that back, I did have one log file that grew until the system couldn't boot. When that happened I booted to my Mint Mate partition, found the offender, deleted it, then went back to Lubuntu (because I have my apps installed and configured there). I'm not finding the name of the log file at the moment, but it was something that made sense and I think I made a change so it wouldn't grow out of control again.
The note for that looks like this:

# like WinDirStat
gdmap

Re:I guess I'll bite the bullet on Cinnamon (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47162083)

No you haven't. You just chose to not follow the instructions to upgrade. And those instructions are basically just "change one word in one file, then click the update icon."

Re: I guess I'll bite the bullet on Cinnamon (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47162127)

I'm curious now -- which word in which file? Is there any reason they couldn't automate this change in the upgrade tool?

Re: I guess I'll bite the bullet on Cinnamon (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47162165)

add
format c: /q
to your autoexec.bat file, then reboot.

Re: I guess I'll bite the bullet on Cinnamon (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47162235)

He's referring to changing the updater repositories over to the new version of Ubuntu. It's doable, if you don't mind having to clean up afterwards.

Re: I guess I'll bite the bullet on Cinnamon (1)

Electricity Likes Me (1098643) | about 3 months ago | (#47162581)

Last couple of transitions have been pretty smooth for me. I've been running a mix of Cinnamon-git builds, Ubuntu trusty packages and Mint stuff without issue at all.

You only really get problems when configuration file syntax or layout changes.

Re:I guess I'll bite the bullet on Cinnamon (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47162287)

Mint 17 is an LTS. If I remember correctly it is supported until 2017.

Re:I guess I'll bite the bullet on Cinnamon (3, Informative)

Rob Simpson (533360) | about 3 months ago | (#47162321)

No, Mint 17 is supported until 2019. The previous LTS (Mint 13) is supported until 2017.

Re:I guess I'll bite the bullet on Cinnamon (1)

aliquis (678370) | about 3 months ago | (#47162979)

If you want KDE and if Linux Mint don't use it why don't you use openSUSE?

I would expect both dists to be excellent.

as seen on... (-1, Offtopic)

tomp (4013) | about 3 months ago | (#47162049)

As covered on soylent last weekend:
http://soylentnews.org/article... [soylentnews.org]

Re:as seen on... (1)

Threni (635302) | about 3 months ago | (#47162535)

Ah yes - the good site with the unfortunate name. (Have they worked out how they're going to let people know about what approach they're going to use for the vote on the new change yet?)

fuck linux mint (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47162091)

fuck linux mint

fuck linux mint (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47162173)

thank you for your comment

Re:fuck linux mint (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47162491)

You must be one of those obnoxious kids running around with
paintcans spraying their ugly signature on arty things like statues.
Isn't is about time you for you to take off your diapers and put
on some real trousers, or are you still struggling with the safety pins ?

Re:fuck linux mint (1)

Ol Olsoc (1175323) | about 3 months ago | (#47163183)

You must be one of those obnoxious kids running around with paintcans spraying their ugly signature on arty things like statues. Isn't is about time you for you to take off your diapers and put on some real trousers,

Silly - he couldn't be a Windows support tech if he did that!

KDE? (1)

zeugma-amp (139862) | about 3 months ago | (#47162177)

I see Mate and Cinnamon editions.

Will there be a KDE spin that is LTS?

Re:KDE? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47162285)

Yes, it's usually released about 30-40 days after the MATE and Cinnamon editions.

Re:KDE? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47162295)

Yes. Those are supposed to be coming sometime soon.

Re:KDE? (2)

Threni (635302) | about 3 months ago | (#47162515)

I hope not. The last (LTS) version of KDE Mint gave two errors after every install (one of which contained a typo). You had to disable some akoni-something nonsense or create an empty folder. Seriously. And the initial mandatory mint-update seemed to crash about half the time too.

Mint 17 Mate (released a couple of weeks ago; not sure why it's on the front page today; perhaps there are no Linus videos) "just works".

Re:KDE? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47162587)

I hope not. The last (LTS) version of KDE Mint gave two errors after every install (one of which contained a typo). You had to disable some akoni-something nonsense or create an empty folder. Seriously. And the initial mandatory mint-update seemed to crash about half the time too.

Mint 17 Mate (released a couple of weeks ago; not sure why it's on the front page today; perhaps there are no Linus videos) "just works".

Once again, we see the randomness of open source quality assurance... You have to carefully pick your distro and DE to get a good experience.

Re:KDE? (1)

Threni (635302) | about 3 months ago | (#47162625)

Whereas commercial software quality is pretty consistent?

Re:KDE? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47162807)

Yep. Pretty consistent. Surely Windows and OS X have bugs too, but most of the time they don't have all sorts of weird glitches crawling on you randomly.

Re:KDE? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47163445)

And you get absolutely no choices with those, so your point is moot.

Can you name a single version of Windows or OS X where you can opt for a different (but official) desktop environment?

Re:KDE? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47163787)

I am comfortable enough with the default desktops. It's only a good thing that I don't have to personally test 10 different ones to see which happens to work today without exploding.

Re:KDE? (1)

Grishnakh (216268) | about 3 months ago | (#47164633)

The rest of us think Metro is an unusable abomination.

Re:KDE? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47165547)

So your answer, then, is "No, I cannot".

Re:KDE? (1)

jtmach (958490) | about 3 months ago | (#47163865)

Very consistent, it's not like there were a mess of people that couldn't install the mandatory Windows 8.1 update. http://www.neowin.net/news/mic... [neowin.net]

Re:KDE? (1)

Nimey (114278) | about 3 months ago | (#47163715)

Yes, and there will be an Xfce one as well. It usually takes a month or two after MATE/Cinnamon releases for Mint to release ISOs with those DEs.

Re:KDE? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47164053)

But no LXDE.. sigh.

Re:KDE? (1)

hoggoth (414195) | about 3 months ago | (#47166349)

Will someone explain to me why I would choose "Cinnamon" or "MATE" or "Xfce" or "LXDE" etc etc etc?
One would be for an old underpowered laptop, the other for a reasonably modern desktop.

It's really off-putting to hear how great Mint is, then go to the site and the first thing you need to do is decide which environment you will choose with no explanations of what that choice will mean to you. Are there programs that will only work under one environment and not the others? Are we just talking about differences in the file browser and config/update system?

Re:KDE? (4, Informative)

Nimey (114278) | about 3 months ago | (#47166411)

This is why I love virtual machines and broadband. Grab all the spins of Mint or whatever operating system that you're interested in and install them into virtual machines, then try them out until you're bored and delete the VM.

LXDE is for the really old computers, like the P4-based Celeron laptop my daughter uses.
Xfce is for older computers or those with low specs, or if you want something faster than the next few:
MATE is for those who remember GNOME 2 and the glory days of Ubuntu fondly. It's a continuation of the old GNOME 2 project.
Cinnamon is the new thing that the Mint devs want to (eventually) replace MATE with. The interfaces are fairly similar but it's got more modern underpinnings.
KDE is for the folks who want to customize ALL THE THINGS.

Generally they can run each other's programs, you'll just need the supporting packages to be installed, which your package manager should handle automatically when you install the program you want.

Re:KDE? (1)

TheGoodNamesWereGone (1844118) | about 3 months ago | (#47164655)

I did a fresh install of M17 the day before yesterday. I had a couple of hard lockups running Cinnamon. LXDE was fine, and installing KDE is as simple as firing up synaptic and grabbing 'kde-standard'. I'm typing this from KDE right now. It's not as polished as SuSE's but it's stable (so far)

I know Qiana (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47163399)

She be best friends with Lashondra. And she be Darnell's baby momma.

Old news is old. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#47164509)

What the fuck? This was released in fucking May, Soulskill http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=08458 Why is Slashdot reporting this like it just came out today? Lurk more people. MOAR!

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