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Linux Voice is a New Magazine for Linux Users — On Paper (Video)

Roblimo posted about 3 months ago | from the there's-nothing-quite-like-the-smell-of-ink-on-paper dept.

Linux Business 72

This is an interview with Graham Morrison, who is one of four people behind the shiny-new Linux Voice magazine, which is printed on (gasp) paper. Yes, paper, even though it's 2014 and a lot of people believe the idea of publishing a physical newspaper or magazine is dead. But, Graham says, when you have a tight community (like Linux users and developers) you have an opportunity to make a successful magazine for that community. This is a crowdfunded venture, through Indiegogo, where they hoped to raise £90,000 -- but ended up with £127,603, which is approximately $214,288 as of this video's publishing date. So they have a little capital to work with. Also note: these are not publishing neophytes. All four of the main people behind Linux Voice used to work on the well-regarded Linux Format magazine. Graham says they're getting subscribers and newsstand sales at a healthy rate, so they're happily optimistic about their magazine's future. (Here's an alternate video link)

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72 comments

Posting to undo bad mod. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46782045)

Posting to undo bad moderation. Sorry.

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I Give it 6 months then (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46782059)

Tits up.

Re:I Give it 6 months then (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46782391)

It's Linux. More like nipples up.

Marketing geniuses (3, Funny)

Russ1642 (1087959) | about 3 months ago | (#46782083)

These Einsteins sure know their audience!

Re:Marketing geniuses (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46782237)

A paper magazine. How quaint! I guess it appeals to the hipsters who buy their music on vinyl?

Re:Marketing geniuses (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46782319)

Paper has infinite resolution unlike digital. The colors on paper are much warmer and pop out more.

Re:Marketing geniuses (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46782411)

Paper has infinite resolution

No it doesn't. Ever heard of atoms?

Re:Marketing geniuses (1)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about 3 months ago | (#46784083)

Paper has infinite resolution

No it doesn't. Ever heard of atoms?

Processor speed has nothing to do with resolution (Planck lengths). Atoms? No, you need to ARM yourself for the future of Linux.

Re:Marketing geniuses (1)

dargaud (518470) | about 3 months ago | (#46785735)

I subscribe to french Linux Magazine and Linux Pratique, two mags from the same editor and I enjoy reading them. First of all they have lots of info that you'd have to fish around the net to find. And here you don't need to even search for it. It's always up to date (well, the current month, d'oh), unlike web pages. And it's a good way to find NEW information, things you've never heard of before. And also it's a break from the computer, allowing you to sit and think for a while. The first mag is more for admins and has very in depth long and very technical articles. The second one shows how to use various user programs or short scripts.

Re:Marketing geniuses (3, Insightful)

Anrego (830717) | about 3 months ago | (#46782357)

Honestly I miss the paper magazine thing.

Yes by all objective measures it's an inferior way to distribute and access data, but much like watching television vs streaming/on demand, it has it's charms and nuances that haven't been reproduced digitally.

Linux Voice specifically doesn't sound like my cup of tea based on reading the snippets on their site, but I can see where they might find an audience.

Re:Marketing geniuses (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46782457)

" it has it's charms"

So does an apostrophe, but not that time.

Re:Marketing geniuses (3, Insightful)

RabidReindeer (2625839) | about 3 months ago | (#46782507)

I cancelled my subscription to another Linux magazine when they dropped paper. I figure I get fresher news from my RSS feeds and more up-to-date and more detailed technical info from blogs and project websites.

I truly do love my tablet for reading fiction and even the occasional reference manual, but the ability to randomly flip through a dead-tree magazine and idly learn about something that may someday become important is something I treasure and an e-reader just doesn't do it for me.

Re:Marketing geniuses (2)

Jeff Flanagan (2981883) | about 3 months ago | (#46782767)

> it's charms and nuances that haven't been reproduced digitally.

Is that true, or is it really about some old people not being to adapt to newer and better technologies? Printing on dead trees and sending them to people via snail-mail just so they can get a nostalgic feeling is terribly inefficient. Magazines don't even offer basic features like moving pictures or keyword-search.

Re:Marketing geniuses (1)

Anrego (830717) | about 3 months ago | (#46782887)

It's not a matter of adaption, it's a matter of, as you said, nostalgia.

And it goes way beyond the media itself. A magazine as an information source plays much differently than the internet.

If there's a market of people willing to pay for the nostalgia benefit, this could work. As in this context it's ultimately a luxury item (similar to a beer or a vacation), any arguments about wastefulness and inefficiency become silly.

Re:Marketing geniuses (1)

Seraphim_72 (622457) | about 3 months ago | (#46785965)

Serendipity. It has not been digitally reproduced. Go to a large university library and go browse the stacks. There is no web experience like it. On a smaller scale, that is what the good corner Mom and Pop video store used to provide as well. Smaller yet, the local paper, then magazines. And when you said "like moving pictures or keyword-search" did you mean info-tainment and echo chambers? Or perhaps distractions and monomania? Training wheels and ADHD?

Re:Marketing geniuses (1)

SeanDS (1039000) | about 3 months ago | (#46782905)

Saying that, there is, of course, a version of the magazine available in PDF format. The subscription price is actually reduced by a fair amount to compensate for the lack of dead trees too (take note, Amazon).

Re:Marketing geniuses (1)

lsatenstein (949458) | about 3 months ago | (#46794251)

Honestly I miss the paper magazine thing.

Yes by all objective measures it's an inferior way to distribute and access data, but much like watching television vs streaming/on demand, it has it's charms and nuances that haven't been reproduced digitally.

Linux Voice specifically doesn't sound like my cup of tea based on reading the snippets on their site, but I can see where they might find an audience.

My local (provincial government) library carries two Linux magazines. One from the UK (A4 paper size) and the second from France( in French and also A4 size) I look forward to reading both. The one from France has a very large readership and produces "specials", which are add-on publications that can be described as books. For example, a special about python. We are not looking at 9 pages, but 90. we are not looking at overviews, but indepth use and examples.
the library maintains the back issues.
The England Linux magazine uses very high quality paper, lots of colour, and above average quality printing. The French magazine prints on very good paper, and mainly in black and white. Photos etc, are shades of gray,. however, links are provided to see the color images.

Both are great mazines, but would arrive in Canada at a newstand price of $15.00 per copy. I believe the yearly subscription (10 issues) is around 120/yr for each.

Occasionally a DVD is included with either publication.

Re:Marketing geniuses (1)

Jeff Flanagan (2981883) | about 3 months ago | (#46782751)

This will be awesome for anyone who's into Linux, but has no computer. All 2 of them.

Re:Marketing geniuses (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46782785)

I like the *IDEA* of Linux, mind you. But actually installing it and using it is just too much.

Re:Marketing geniuses (1)

Eric Eikrem (1635805) | about 3 months ago | (#46794237)

These Einsteins sure know their audience!

That also goes for the author of this submission: An Adobe Flash video about a Linux Magazine, when Adobe no longer makes Flash updates for Linux?

Re:Marketing geniuses (1)

hobarrera (2008506) | about 3 months ago | (#46804119)

And their logistics. I'm still wondering how they solved the "we need to distribute this magazine to people all around the world at acceptable costs" as well.

Already there are forks and bickering (1)

NotDrWho (3543773) | about 3 months ago | (#46782107)

And it just launched!

Re:Already there are forks and bickering (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46782121)

Linux Voice Mint is better!!

Re:Already there are forks and bickering (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46782135)

You subscribe to Linux Voice? Those sellouts? The real Linux community subscribes to Voice of Linux.

Re:Already there are forks and bickering (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46782177)

I prefer to stick to pure Linux Format Magazine. It's where Linux Voice got most of its original codebase anyway. It's not as flashy, but it's a lot more stable.

Re:Already there are forks and bickering (1)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | about 3 months ago | (#46782187)

I only subscribe to Linux Vorbis.

Re:Already there are forks and bickering (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46782311)

Ultra-maroons all of you are supret twits!

Linux: Voice Independent Magazine is the one true soure of all Linux goodness on paper!

Re:Already there are forks and bickering (1)

Applehu Akbar (2968043) | about 3 months ago | (#46783763)

Unfortunately, Voice of Linux only has versions for Windows 8 and OS X Mavericks.

Re:Already there are forks and bickering (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46783931)

But it's recently been ported to Emacs.

useful given my recent experience with the linux (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46782275)

I work as a consultant for several fortune 500 companies, and I think I can shed a little light on the climate of the open source community at the moment. I believe that part of the reason that open source based startups are failing left and right is not an issue of marketing as it's commonly believed but more of an issue of the underlying technology.

I know that that's a strong statement to make, but I have evidence to back it up! At one of the major corps(5000+ employees) that I consult for, we wanted to integrate Linux into our server pool. The allure of not having to pay any restrictive licensing fees was too great to ignore. I reccomended the installation of several boxes running the new 2.4.9 kernel, and my hopes were high that it would perform up to snuff with the Windows 2k boxes which were(and still are!) doing an AMAZING job at their respective tasks of serving HTTP requests, DNS, and fileserving.

I consider myself to be very technically inclined having programmed in VB for the last 8 years doing kernel level programming. I don't believe in C programming because contrary to popular belief, VB can go just as low level as C and the newest VB compiler generates code that's every bit as fast. I took it upon myself to configure the system from scratch and even used an optimised version of gcc 3.1 to increase the execution speed of the binaries. I integrated the 3 machines I had configured into the server pool, and I'd have to say the results were less than impressive... We all know that linux isn't even close to being ready for the desktop, but I had heard that it was supposed to perform decently as a "server" based operating system. The 3 machines all went into swap immediately, and it was obvious that they weren't going to be able to handle the load in this "enterprise" environment. After running for less than 24 hours, 2 of them had experienced kernel panics caused by Bind and Apache crashing! Granted, Apache is a volunteer based project written by weekend hackers in their spare time while Microsft's IIS has an actual professional full fledged development team devoted to it. Not to mention the fact that the Linux kernel itself lacks any support for any type of journaled filesystem, memory protection, SMP support, etc, but I thought that since Linux is based on such "old" technology that it would run with some level of stability. After several days of this type of behaviour, we decided to reinstall windows 2k on the boxes to make sure it wasn't a hardware problem that was causing things to go wrong. The machines instantly shaped up and were seamlessly reintegrated into the server pool with just one Win2K machine doing more work than all 3 of the Linux boxes.

Needless to say, I won't be reccomending Linux/FSF to anymore of my clients. I'm dissappointed that they won't be able to leverege the free cost of Linux to their advantage, but in this case I suppose the old adage stands true that, "you get what you pay for." I would have also liked to have access to the source code of the applications that we're running on our mission critical systems; however, from the looks of it, the Microsoft "shared source" program seems to offer all of the same freedoms as the GPL.

As things stand now, I can understand using Linux in academia to compile simple "Hello World" style programs and learn C programming, but I'm afraid that for anything more than a hobby OS, Windows 98/NT/2K are your only choices.

thank you.

Re:useful given my recent experience with the linu (0)

yagu (721525) | about 3 months ago | (#46782325)

Well, your post certainly explains the AC.

Re:useful given my recent experience with the linu (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46782401)

Face facts, outside of the server room Linux is garbage. It's be like running Excel in place of Matlab. Both do what they do well but once you step outside of the original scope it turns into dog poop pretty fast.

Re:useful given my recent experience with the linu (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46782377)

Wow, criticizing Linux and OSS, and advocating for Windows and VB. I predict you're going to get a really warm welcome here on /.

Re:useful given my recent experience with the linu (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46782459)

It's almost as if their post is facetious...

Re:useful given my recent experience with the linu (2)

Anrego (830717) | about 3 months ago | (#46782451)

This troll is at least 10 years old. Kinda appropriate given the article really!

While we are off topic, I just gave beta a legit try. Still hate it. Main page is much better, I'll give them that, but the comments page still sucks.

Re:useful given my recent experience with the linu (1)

NotDrWho (3543773) | about 3 months ago | (#46782831)

I still don't understand why they're so hell-bent on eliminating the ability to follow older discussion threads in the comments section. Am I missing something? Is taking away our ability to see replies to our old comments somehow such a vital fucking part of Dice's new marketing strategy that it must be defended with their very lives if necessary?

Re:useful given my recent experience with the linu (1)

boogahboogah (310475) | about 3 months ago | (#46782511)

Obvious ignorant (as in not knowing) M$ shill -
Volunteer project - professional full fledged development team
lacks support for any type of journaled filesystem...

I don't have to show any more, this AC is an obvious M$ paid shill.

Re:useful given my recent experience with the linu (1)

boogahboogah (310475) | about 3 months ago | (#46782527)

Just re-read & noticed this - I'm surprised I missed it before...

> having programmed in VB for the last 8 years doing kernel level programming

Re:useful given my recent experience with the linu (2)

Anrego (830717) | about 3 months ago | (#46782655)

This is an old troll. If you google snippets of it, you'll see it has been posted on a variety of sites going back to like 2002.

Re:useful given my recent experience with the linu (2)

Applehu Akbar (2968043) | about 3 months ago | (#46783799)

Yeah, anybody knows that for kernel programming in 2014, you code in Open Office Macro.

Re:useful given my recent experience with the linu (1)

hobarrera (2008506) | about 3 months ago | (#46804127)

Troll? He's a comedian, and a pretty good one!

Re:useful given my recent experience with the linu (1)

MouseTheLuckyDog (2752443) | about 3 months ago | (#46782933)

Just re-read & noticed this - I'm surprised I missed it before...

> having programmed in VB for the last 8 years doing kernel level programming

Especially since 8 years before WIn2K would place him someplace around VB3, and SMP was supported around NT 3.5 that way before this. And Reiserfs did exist at theat time. XFS and JFS were already available albeit as patches, and that filesystems technically are not supported in the kernel in either Linux or Windows. Or at the time Fortune 500 companies were using mostly mainframes and Suns for servers.

Someone should tell Satya you "get what you pay for" and tell him to pay more for their trolls. This guy sounds as clueless as a person claiming to be a physicist calling into Art Bell .

Re:useful given my recent experience with the linu (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46782579)

What year was this written in? Win2K in an current business environment? No support for SMP or a journaled file system? Still supporting Windows 98/NT/2K? YIKES talk about a time warp!

Re:useful given my recent experience with the linu (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46784395)

Sounds like pilot error to me. A better programmer would have achieved a better result.

Awesome interview... (1)

randomhacks (3420197) | about 3 months ago | (#46782303)

Makes me proud to be British!

Too Expensive (2)

Zeromous (668365) | about 3 months ago | (#46782305)

Way too expensive, even in the UK.

I would be interested but I can't afford to get one way communication that doesn't compete with the utilitarian Internet for 100 pounds a year.

Re:Too Expensive (1)

fat_mike (71855) | about 3 months ago | (#46783591)

2 months and they'll be bankrupt.

Re:Too Expensive (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46785833)

I'm glad you think you know more about the state of our finances than we do, fat_mike :-) People on Slashdot said it wouldn't even raise £10,000. Guess what? We raised £127,000. I'll remind you of your silly comment when we're on issue 6 :-)

Re:Too Expensive (3, Informative)

Gax (196168) | about 3 months ago | (#46784115)

Most computing/games magazines in the UK are expensive nowadays.

5.99 UK Pounds is a lot of money for a 116 page magazine, but it gives a higher per-page value than Linux Magazine (100 pages for 5.99) and Linux Format (100 pages for 6.49).

Linux Voice is a good magazine, though it has distribution issues. You can only find it in the town/city WH Smiths, rather than the railway stations where I buy most of my magazines. It's also difficult to find a copy with an attached coverdisc, since the glue they use is a bit rubbish.

Re:Too Expensive (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46786299)

Consider a digital subscription. At £38 per year, over 12 issues with 114 pages in each issue, that works out at around 7p per page. Given that many pages are 700+ words of highly technical content, that's pretty good value I'd say!

There's lots of good content on the internet too, but filtering out the wheat from the chaff can be tiresome. The mag team has been writing about Linux for years and knows their stuff.

Re:Too Expensive (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46841211)

I subscribe from down under and its more than you pay in the UK. I think its priced very well.
Most of the magazines that are of a similar editorial standard are priced in this range.
For high quality well researched information that they provide its hands down the best magazine to read.

Voice (1)

PenisLands (930247) | about 3 months ago | (#46782425)

Rap music is the voice of black people.

Print is dead! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46782509)

By the time the ink has dried, the information is already outdated.

Re:Print is dead! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46783941)

Whereas online the ink never dries preserving truthiness.

Not enough? (2)

slapout (93640) | about 3 months ago | (#46782993)

So

Linux Magazine [linux-magazine.com]
Linux Format [linuxformat.com]
Linux Journal [linuxjournal.com]
Linux User and Developer [linuxuser.co.uk]
Ubuntu User [ubuntu-user.com]

weren't enough paper Linux magazines?

Re:Not enough? (1)

tuxgeek (872962) | about 3 months ago | (#46796101)

All US Linux mags are filled mostly with advertising. Your comparison and point is stupid.

Re:Not enough? (1)

slapout (93640) | about 3 months ago | (#46808515)

Most of those are European magazines. Your comparison and point is stupid.

Re:Not enough? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46841051)

Linux Journal is no longer a print magazine, they only do a digital magazine. Also they have an annoying front page(Cover Page) advert on occasion.
Their writers are good, but the digital magazine is just no good when reading and wanting a break from the screen while sipping a coffee.
If it was not making enough money to keep a print version going, why did the Linux Journal sell their magazine so cheaply. I would have happily paid more.

That being said, ive always enjoyed the four writers that started Linux Voice when they wrote for the Linux Format and they were the reason I happily paid for Linux Format for two years at a time.

I really love this Linux Voice magazine, its witty clever and I always find it informative.
 

Sysadmin Magazine (1)

SuseLover (996311) | about 3 months ago | (#46783077)

I really miss it as one of the best general *NIX mags out there for a sysadmin.

Re:Sysadmin Magazine (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46841105)

I really miss it too, ive still got the final print copy and Ive kept the CD/DVD safely tucked away, It included all editions of SysAdmin and the Perl Magazine.
Rather sad when they stopped it. It was a respected journal in the industry.

can't buy a #1 (3, Informative)

dltaylor (7510) | about 3 months ago | (#46784335)

There's so much third-party crap required on their website that I cannot buy a #1. Too bad. I like print, but won't expose my systems to the unknown (beyond tracking) consequences of off-site APIs.

Re:can't buy a #1 (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46785839)

Sorry to hear that. We use Tictail for our shop, a Swedish company that focuses on small businesses. It's not evil. We'd like to handle payments ourselves (that's the plan at some point) but it's a huge job, and we're just a small team focusing on the magazine itself. If you really don't want to buy online, it's in newsstands around the world (Barnes and Noble at the end of the month).

Thanks.

Re:can't buy a #1 (1)

dltaylor (7510) | about 3 months ago | (#46793091)

Tictail may be OK (perhaps a bit of info in an "about us" page, to help us sort the good from the bad, and why you need them), but who are cloudfront.net? I shouldn't need to keep running queries through noscript.net just to buy a magazine with some confidence.

Re:can't buy a #1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46809613)

Cloudfront is Amazon's CDN product.

This video shows exactly why Linux is not ready... (1)

NonFerrousBueller (1175131) | about 3 months ago | (#46785341)

...for the desktop. Why? Because on a six hour old install of the latest version of Linux Mint, Shockwave crashed rendering video unwatchable.

On topic, I really wish these guys well. Been listening to their podcasts for a while (back when they were TuxRadar) and they are knowledgable and fun to listen to.

Liked their work on LXF and look forward to getting my hands on a copy of LV - still hasn't hit newsstands here in New Zealand.

crowdfunding... (1)

m.alessandrini (1587467) | about 3 months ago | (#46786143)

Why have I grown to be very suspicious about everything that's crowfunded?

Re:crowdfunding... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46786169)

Don't worry -- we won't sell out to Facebook :-) We've already delivered two issues, with the third about to be posted. This is a real, long-term project.

Mike (LV Team)

Why does everywhere but USA have mags? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46786315)

I look at magazine download sites, with selections from around the world, and it seems like everywhere but the USA has computer magazines. Why does the huge USA market not have any magazines anymore? And why does Europe, UK, etc still have them? Seems like Americans would read magazines, too, if there were any. I didn't decide to quit reading Dr Dobbs, it just disappeared. Now there's nothing on the shelf but junk magazines. You can't even find MSDN magazine on the rack at B&N any longer, and it's still being published. Did Americans really stop buying magazines, or did stores stop stocking them causing people to quit buying them?

Price matters (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46788081)

Hopefully it won't be ridiculously overpriced like Linux Format magazine: $182/year, what a f'n joke. The world's most affordable operating system has the most expensive magazine subscriptions. OMGUbuntu! is good enough for me, i'll stick with online.

somehow i missed (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46788323)

the hue and cry from the masses. could you update this aspect?

Voice paper video (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 3 months ago | (#46790749)

Didn't bother to RTFA, but I gather that paper video has voice capabilities now.

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