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Samsung's First Tizen Smartphone Gets Leaked

Soulskill posted about 6 months ago | from the finally-arriving-to-market dept.

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SmartAboutThings writes "We are less than a month away from seeing the first ever Tizen smartphone from Samsung. The leaked image points toward a Feb. 24th launch date at MWC 2014 in Barcelona. The phone design is very similar to Galaxy phones, while the UI reminds us of Windows Phone 8. Samsung is also one of the world's top smartphone vendors, so it should have a decent chance at developing a mobile OS of its own, don't you think?"

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Bada (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46098395)

Samsung already tried this with Bada ... and failed.
Now they are taking others on board to try to displace Google. Will it succeed? Don't think so.

Re:Bada (4, Insightful)

Stormwatch (703920) | about 6 months ago | (#46098551)

Wasn't Bada only used in low-end devices? This one seems to be rather high-end.

Re:Bada (1)

gl4ss (559668) | about 6 months ago | (#46098589)

why make it look like wp8 then?

this test device is high end.. but the devices on the end of the plan are the lower end which are currently bada, bada doesn't allow them easy enough customization and features to go easily for the better-chips cheap phones that are on the way in 2-3 years.

*** now this could have been said about some other os's years ago too. exact same fucking plan. bada already replaced their internal fuckfest of several os's with just about the same justification. also it is their insurance card against android.

Re:Bada (0)

gbjbaanb (229885) | about 6 months ago | (#46098937)

why make it look like wp8 then?

because if they made it look like Android, they'd get patent-sued by Apple for copying their look and feel :-)

Re:Bada (2)

ThePhilips (752041) | about 6 months ago | (#46098639)

Samsung Wave phones were pretty decent phones. No, not phablets with gazzilion of everything and the kitchen sink. Just a very good smartphone, with decent browser and some level customization.

On top of that, the whole premise "Samsung develops new mobile OS" is bogus. It might have been the case with Bada, but not the case with the Tizen [wikipedia.org] :

The Tizen Association formed to guide the industry role of Tizen, including requirements gathering, identifying and facilitating service models, and overall industry marketing and education.[4] Members of the Tizen Association represent every major sector of the mobility industry and every region of the world. Current members include operators, OEMs and computing leaders: Fujitsu, Huawei, Intel Corporation, KT, NEC CASIO Mobile Communications, NTT DOCOMO, Orange, Panasonic Mobile Communications, Samsung, SK Telecom, Sprint and Vodafone.

What's more, Tizen isn't particularly "new". Not only there are tried bits of LiMo and Bada inside, but there were already several releases for the "In-Vehicle-Infotainment".

Re:Bada (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | about 6 months ago | (#46098661)

Why the fuck are telecoms involved?

That just stinks. Just what we need, more telecom control over a smartphone OS.

Re:Bada (3, Informative)

ThePhilips (752041) | about 6 months ago | (#46098703)

By whom do you think the telecom developers are employed?

Telecoms do lots of development and are involved in lots of connected things. There is no way around it.

Anyway, I'd rather first wait for the Tizen phones to arrive and then evaluate them. Considering the race to bottom Google has choosen as a path forward for Android, Tizen might get a fair chance in the market. That, of course, if the Tizen would be even comparable to Android.

Re:Bada (1)

hawkinspeter (831501) | about 6 months ago | (#46098837)

Isn't a "race to the bottom" just a natural consequence of a competitive market working properly?

Re:Bada (2, Insightful)

Thantik (1207112) | about 6 months ago | (#46098853)

This is the difference between real capitalism, and American capitalism. In real capitalism, you naturally get a race to the bottom. In American capitalism, you get government protectionism to keep your antiquated, inflated business practices afloat while you strip people of every penny you can.

Re:Bada (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46099849)

(Posting AC because I'm at work and I don't log into websites from work not because I'm unwilling to put my name behind my post.)

That is simply one of the most moronic things I've read on Slashdot in quite some time.

Or, to put it in a car analogy so you understand why I think you're utterly daft, please ask yourself which auto manufacturers make the high end cars that don't care about competing on price and which manufacturers are primarily interested in being just a bit cheaper than their competitors.

To put it simply, some manufacturers are offering the same grapple grommet as the next guy so the only way to compete is via price while other manufacturers are offering a lot more and are targeting a more affluent market and thus don't compete on price. American vs non-American has absolutely NOTHING to do with that equation.

And, no, I'm not American so this has nothing to do with defending "my" national pride. This is simply me calling out a moron for a moronic comment.

Re:Bada (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46099701)

Why the fuck are telecoms involved?

Because the phones run on their networks?

Re:Bada (1)

the_B0fh (208483) | about 6 months ago | (#46099811)

I could have sworn Samsung only recently joined Tizen, so they weren't even part of the founders of Tizen.

Re:Bada (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46098561)

Will it succeed? Don't think so.

The guy writing the article is certain it'll fail. He keeps saying its like WP8.

Re:Bada (1)

fatphil (181876) | about 6 months ago | (#46098931)

Samsung were much smaller at the time. They are now pretty much dominant, with a good name, and plenty of marketting muscle.

One of the benefits of Tizen is that it does run on both low end devices and high end ones, so they've got plenty of pots to dip their paws into. It's lower maintenance than Android, as there's much more standard upstream packages, less specific to the platform, and it's way-way-way more open than any other platform. (Though not quite as much as I would have liked.) Will it succeed? I'd like to see it do so, but think it might require a little bit of good fortune.

Disclaimer: last job was working on Tizen for Samsung, parted not on the best of terms, but no grudges borne in either direction.

Re:Bada (1)

MrDoh! (71235) | about 6 months ago | (#46098933)

With Samsung throwing masses of cash at it, it should get a decent enough market share. There'll be a fair few people going into these new Samsung physical stores wanting 'a Samsung phone' and they'll be pushed to these over Android.

Re:Bada (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46099047)

Tizen has the Linux foundation, many hardware vendors (along others Intel), and an open source community behind it. This should make it fairly dissimilar from their Bada attempt, no?

Re:Bada (1)

the_B0fh (208483) | about 6 months ago | (#46099821)

Android has a Linux and Java foundation too...

I don't think so (4, Insightful)

loufoque (1400831) | about 6 months ago | (#46098399)

Being one of the top hardware vendors doesn't magically enable you to write good software.

Re:I don't think so (0, Redundant)

dwater (72834) | about 6 months ago | (#46098453)

It doesn't rule it out either...

Re:I don't think so (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 6 months ago | (#46098581)

It doesn't rule it out either...

There's no general-case connection; but this is Samsung we are talking about here, so it's pretty safe to assume that anything they added will be about as classy as the bloatware on a Best Buy HP-Compaq at the bottom of the price range...

If we are lucky, the BSP side might not be a total failure; but Samsung makes a hell of a mess when they try app development, at least on their android devices.

Re:I don't think so (2)

DontBlameCanada (1325547) | about 6 months ago | (#46099399)

It doesn't rule it out either...

From my experience working with and for HW-centric companies, they all view SW as a zero-revenue expense. As such, they don't invest in the people, tools and processes that make for successful software products.

I'd tend to think being a top h/w vendor is actually a detriment to delivering good software.

Re:I don't think so (1)

gnasher719 (869701) | about 6 months ago | (#46098457)

Being one of the top hardware vendors doesn't magically enable you to write good software.

It might make you code at producing gazillions of ROMs, or flash drives, or DVDs, containing the good software, because that's what hardware is about, but it doesn't make you good at writing good software.

Re:I don't think so (2)

Tsolias (2813011) | about 6 months ago | (#46098533)

Being one of the top of anything can help you become the top of something else. Do you know what you need to make good sw? good programmers. Do you know what you need to get them? money. Does Samsung have money? Yes. So, can Samsung be a company with good software, if its CEO wants it? Yes. Does the hw business help you make good sw? Yes. Do you know how? OFC, you have your own platform that sells like shit and then you can make the sw and optimize it for you own platform. Do you know any other company that does that? Yes. Apple. Apple makes good hw or sw? None of them, but both of the combined give a great result because they design both and know how to hide each ones flaws. In the end, Samsung became what it is today and it started as a fruit/vegetable vendor IIRC.

Re:I don't think so (2)

loufoque (1400831) | about 6 months ago | (#46098753)

You need money, but money is not sufficient to get good programmers of the level they'd need to be able to compete with iOS and Android.

Re:I don't think so (1)

gbjbaanb (229885) | about 6 months ago | (#46098951)

true, the best programmers (like CEOs) work more for the joy of working. Those who only come because you throw bucketloads of cash at them tend to be interested in only 1 thing, and that ain't the work you need them doing.

Still, from another post: "Samsung uses EFL as UI framework and has in it's payroll Carsten Haitzler (Rasterman) and Cedric Bail, the main developers of Enlightenment".

Doesn't sound too bad now.

Re:I don't think so (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46099215)

I work as a software vendor to a major Asian OEM in Asia.

No matter what talent they attract, the culture of traditional east Asian companies is antithetical innovative software. I have watched time after time as $COMPANY hires a top-end design/software firm to improve things and their suggestions are thrown out by an out of touch 60+ year old C-suite. In addition to this, Asia doesn't really have the developed VC infrastructure that would allow these extremely bright young guys to build their own company, with blackjack and hookers.

My company admittedly makes shitty out of date software, but that's exactly what the leadership likes, because they still think the world is in the year 1999-2003.

Re: I don't think so (0)

Tim Leath (3514895) | about 6 months ago | (#46098759)

with some very,very iffy behaviour in between the two points of samsungs growth. would samsung be the size it is today,if it had been in a more closely scrutinised and enforcement regime,say,the e.u,probably not,the e.u had/has some firms with very iffy records,but samsung would have been stomped on by e.u commision etc if they tried the same thing as at home. like many of the bigger/richer corps,ms,apple,etc samsung have some very dealings in its early history,many would just say pure criminal behaviour,proving once again that crime pays,realy big crimes pay realy well.

Re:I don't think so (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about 6 months ago | (#46098537)

Being one of the top hardware vendors doesn't magically enable you to write good software.

Actually being one of the top hardware vendors does magically enable you to write good software.

Re:I don't think so (1)

loufoque (1400831) | about 6 months ago | (#46098743)

Not at all. Hardware-centric people are known for writing very bad software.

Re:I don't think so (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46098793)

It does give your software a chance to get a good adoption boost though.

Re:I don't think so (1)

w_dragon (1802458) | about 6 months ago | (#46098869)

HP being a good example. Their hardware is generally solid, but every piece of software they're associated with is crap. This includes drivers, most firmware, and pure software (QTP is overpriced and broken, their diameter api crashes as often as it works). I suspect that the process for building good hardware is so different from the process for good software that companies have trouble doing both.

Re:I don't think so (1)

east coast (590680) | about 6 months ago | (#46099191)

I don't even know why they would. A new OS could be written to run Androids current apps, sure, but further fragmentation of the ecosystem wouldn't help either party and Samsung has the most to lose. They know this.

I'm all for a multiOS mobile culture today. I've owned phones with 4 distinctly different OSs on them and each has their pros and cons. I just don't feel that yet another player, even the size of Samsung, is going to make much headway in the current market. Though I will say Samsung is probably in the best position of any hardware manufacturer to do this. If they felt that they could do it I would be interested in seeing what they bring to the table, I just don't see Samsung benefiting overall from leaving the established OSs.

Even apple could not create it's own OS. (0)

goombah99 (560566) | about 6 months ago | (#46099767)

Palm failed, HP failed. Both Apple, Nokia and Blackberry all failed when they tried to create a new OS. When Copeland failed Apple acquired Next, When Symbian wasnt suited to new devices, Nokia acquired Windows.

Re:Even apple could not create it's own OS. (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46099825)

Windows8 is failing in a relative sense. It does have a lot of copies and users out there. It just is not seeing the adoption of it's predecessors. The surface hardware appears to be quite attractive so it's the OS that is failing.

In fact if you go back in time, Windows only succeeded when it began copying macOS features. Likewise Android slavishly copied IOS.

but being Rasterman does! (1)

Zimluura (2543412) | about 6 months ago | (#46099839)

but being Rasterman does!
we don't need another phone os. but if we can get one that runs as fast enlightenment it could be worth a try.

Not At MWC 2014 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46098407)

FTFA:

Unfortunately, we might not see the phone at MWC 2014, as our source indicates that the launch has been pushed further to accommodate other launches (psst⦠Galaxy S5).

So I guess whomever wrote the summary didn't read all the way to the bottom of the 2nd link.

Re:Not At MWC 2014 (1)

SmartAboutThings (1951032) | about 6 months ago | (#46098413)

FTFA:

Unfortunately, we might not see the phone at MWC 2014, as our source indicates that the launch has been pushed further to accommodate other launches (psst⦠Galaxy S5).

So I guess whomever wrote the summary didn't read all the way to the bottom of the 2nd link.

No, just that when I submitted it, we didn't have that information at our disposal

Lawsuits pending (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46098431)

Apple will undoubtedly claim to have invented some obscure detail, and insist that the product be banned here in the States. Unless, of course, it's a flop... Apple doesn't design flops.

Re:Lawsuits pending (1)

Savage-Rabbit (308260) | about 6 months ago | (#46098549)

The phone design is very similar to Galaxy phones, while the UI reminds us of Windows Phone 8.

Apple will undoubtedly claim to have invented some obscure detail, and insist that the product be banned here in the States. Unless, of course, it's a flop... Apple doesn't design flops.

You are really grasping at straws if you want to start an Apple hate frenzy over this. According to TFA summary it would appear that it's more likely Microsoft's turn to sue Samsung's ass off over copycatting the Windows 8 UI (and that's assuming that Microsoft will even bother).

Re:Lawsuits pending (2)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 6 months ago | (#46098597)

Even if Samsung did something blatantly actionable (wherever that point lies, 'look and feel' lawsuits seem a bit subjective), it would be interesting to see if Microsoft did anything about it. They certainly aren't shy about lawsuits in general; but they might actually be pleased to see a major Android OEM spitting out some non-Android devices that might help fragment the non-WinPhone market (both by adding another OS to the mix, and by likely encouraging Samsung to cultivate a variety of APIs and services that devs can use on any Samsung device, Android or Tizen, with a little abstraction; but not on other manufacturer's takes on those OSes)...

Re:Lawsuits pending (1)

coofercat (719737) | about 6 months ago | (#46099269)

They'd probably sue them just to give them some credibility ;-)

Re:Lawsuits pending (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46098671)

I guess we know which Apple fanboi downmodded the post.

Re: Lawsuits pending (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46098659)

Hope it doesn't have rounded corners...

Am I doing it wrong? (-1, Offtopic)

issicus (2031176) | about 6 months ago | (#46098469)

Typing on a touch screen SUCKS, why do people buy these things?

Re:Am I doing it wrong? (2)

Stormwatch (703920) | about 6 months ago | (#46098555)

Who buys a smartphone to type a sizable amount of text?

Re:Am I doing it wrong? (2)

fatphil (181876) | about 6 months ago | (#46098641)

Those who type a sizeable amount of text, but don't want to carry a laptop around with them. Such as me. I'm perfectly happy with my Nokia N900 with its slide-out keyboard.

Re:Am I doing it wrong? (1)

gmuslera (3436) | about 6 months ago | (#46099309)

Who carries a sizable amount of computing power virtually everywhere? And answering a mail, taking note of an idea you just had, or doing a post in some social site may need some sizable amount of text, without building around you a whole desktop just for that or limiting your capacity of expression to write just "ok" in all those situations.

Re:Am I doing it wrong? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46099389)

"I don't need a keyboard because I don't use my phone in that way. Therefore, no one else does either."

Re:Am I doing it wrong? (4, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 6 months ago | (#46098607)

Typing on a touch screen SUCKS, why do people buy these things?

Space constraints. With a touchscreen, your typing sucks; but you recover all the keyboard space for viewing whenever you aren't typing. If you want a hard keyboard, you either chop the bottom third of the screen, or add nontrivial thickness and mechanical complexity for a folding or sliding keyboard.

Damned if I can understand the freak kids who seem to enjoy typing with their thumbs on a featureless pane of glass; but it isn't really hard to see why screens larger than the classic blackberry layout allowed have taken over, given that using tiny screens is also pretty miserable.

Re:Am I doing it wrong? (1)

Thanshin (1188877) | about 6 months ago | (#46098621)

Because it's hard to connect the bluetooth keyboard to a coffee mug.

Re:Am I doing it wrong? (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46098655)

Typing on a touch screen SUCKS, why do people buy these things?

Typing on an Ipad sucks.
Swypeing doesn't. In fact swypeing is much faster than typing but you Apple hipsters wouldn't know that.

Re:Am I doing it wrong? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46098983)

Typing on ANY touch screen device sucks. I have swype but still hate it.

Re:Am I doing it wrong? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46099657)

i had to look up Swype,
i really can see no benefit to me logging all my keystrokes, tie them to my phones ESN as a GUID along with my hardware list and then give (lol it gets better) full network access to a US companies "cloud" for "statistics" or the random NSL/Keystone Cops Warrant.
Sad that even a fucking virtual keyboard company cant resist the parasitic bandwagon of track/trace/trap/SPOF your users, just cant just sell a solution and fuck off, gotta have a store, and a "Cloud".

if your keyboard code has a network stack something is already wrong.
I'll stick for now with typing slowly on a non-mitm stock keyboard thanks.

http://forum.swype.com/showthr... [swype.com]
http://www.swype.com/footer/pr... [swype.com]

Re:Am I doing it wrong? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46099521)

Because they just learned to do it instead of whining about how it SUCKS?

I mean yeah, for the first 3 months or so, it sucks. Then it's fine. Move on, this isn't 2009 any more.

Competition is always good (4, Interesting)

rodrigoandrade (713371) | about 6 months ago | (#46098501)

Yes, I think Tizen will ultimately flop for a variety of reasons, not the least of which being the fact that Samsung will need to support THREE different operating systems.

But in the end, competition is always good for consumers. Bring it on!!

Re:Competition is always good (2)

hattig (47930) | about 6 months ago | (#46098527)

Does Tizen support Android apps in any manner? (i.e., in a manner like BlackBerry 10 supports Android apps).

If not, the software ecosystem is going to be very poor, and kill the device.

If it does, then third-party native software is probably never going to get written.

Re:Competition is always good (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46098677)

Does Tizen support Android apps in any manner? (i.e., in a manner like BlackBerry 10 supports Android apps).

If not, the software ecosystem is going to be very poor, and kill the device.

If it does, then third-party native software is probably never going to get written.

By that logic, no new platform will ever be able to succeed.

Current trends might make that seem right, but don't forget -- every platform was new once and they all started with a tiny ecosystem, even the ones that are successful now.

Re:Competition is always good (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46098691)

Yes, it's supposed to have an emulation layer. If this provides for proper management of app rights, I would much rather run Android apps on Tizen than natively.

Re:Competition is always good (1)

rajupp (2687179) | about 6 months ago | (#46098929)

Does Tizen support Android apps in any manner? (i.e., in a manner like BlackBerry 10 supports Android apps).

Yes, It will support sideloading of Android apps

Re:Competition is always good (2)

gmuslera (3436) | about 6 months ago | (#46099361)

Sailfish, that is a Tizen cousin, can run android apps in a similar way that does BB10. And if it supports QT will have easier to port native apps from Meego (that have already a good enough core apps package), native BB10 ones, or even Ubuntu Touch.

Re:Competition is always good (2)

Tom (822) | about 6 months ago | (#46098799)

But in the end, competition is always good for consumers.

Actually, I don't think that's always true. The smartphone market is a good example for why. First, you end up with 1000 different Android phones (let's ignore iOS for the moment) that have tiny differences amongst themselves, leading to a choice paradox (you can't decide because there's so many options).

Second, because the market is so crowded with so many so similar products, it's hard for a vendor to really innovate. What we see is rapid evolution, but not innovation - everyone is moving forward at breakneck speed, but few are moving sideways, exploring different options. The form factor, for example, has largely standardized on the iPhone +/- some deviation in size. But curved shapes are gone, even though we had them in the pre-smartphone mobile market. And that's just one example.

Third, much of the competition is more show than real. How many players are actually in the market? Where are the small, innovative underdogs? Are there any local players? No, much of the "competition" is not even between companies, but departments of companies - will you get the XYZ-400 or the XYZ-500?

I love Samsung's smartphones, but... (4, Interesting)

Zaatxe (939368) | about 6 months ago | (#46098507)

...if they ditch Android, I'll ditch Samsung.

Re:I love Samsung's smartphones, but... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46098529)

...if they ditch Android, I'll ditch Samsung.

I bet they are shaking in their boots

Re:I love Samsung's smartphones, but... (1)

Herve5 (879674) | about 6 months ago | (#46098681)

Well, for me seeing an operational open-source OS on a phone would indeed *trigger* my first buying of a Samsung phone.
I own an Openmoko, have carefully reviewed the Jolla phone recently (alas: not operational, IMHO) and believe Samsung indeed is capable to succeed here.

Re:I love Samsung's smartphones, but... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46098841)

What do you need the source code for?

Re:I love Samsung's smartphones, but... (0)

Herve5 (879674) | about 6 months ago | (#46098961)

What for?
For not being locked in a single App market. Like Apple's. Like Google's.
In a word : to avoid monopolies.
That's very stubborn, I know. But I suffered a lot from this, in many areas, so now I can see them very well...

Re:I love Samsung's smartphones, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46099181)

All right, I understand, as you said you have suffered a lot from that. That still sounds incredibly impractical and clunky.

Re:I love Samsung's smartphones, but... (4, Informative)

Kryptonian Jor-El (970056) | about 6 months ago | (#46099209)

Android has multiple app stores, and actually has apps to fill them with. Your argument is invalid

Re:I love Samsung's smartphones, but... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46099493)

But... Android doesn't lock you into one app store. There's F-Droid, Amazon, Yandex, and Opera app stores at the very least, and probably others I'm unaware of.

Re:I love Samsung's smartphones, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46099005)

What do you need the source code for?

Maybe he's a programmer and likes to see what is going on or participate in fixing bugs? It 's like some of us who choose our electronics purchases based on whether or not we can get a schematic.

Re:I love Samsung's smartphones, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46099165)

What? It's the manufacturer's responsibility to fix the bugs for me. I paid for the product.

Re: I love Samsung's smartphones, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46099039)

I don't need it, and personally I wouldn't look at it, but just knowing it's 100% open source would greatly increase my trust of the operating system. Knowing there are no NSA backdoors or adware, for instance.

Re: I love Samsung's smartphones, but... (1)

jones_supa (887896) | about 6 months ago | (#46099155)

That really works only for systems like OpenBSD where the code is truly audited and not just signed off. Linux is developed by a chain of trust, which works well, but outside that does not guarantee that there are not backdoors. So for the best results you want 100% open source and 100% audited code.

Re:I love Samsung's smartphones, but... (3, Interesting)

q.kontinuum (676242) | about 6 months ago | (#46098699)

Actually, Tizen might be a reason for me to give them a shot. Unless I get a budget-friendly device with Sailfish OS first :-)

Re:I love Samsung's smartphones, but... (1)

Herve5 (879674) | about 6 months ago | (#46098991)

Just some weeks ago I was ready to pay a premium to get a Jolla phone (with Sailfish); I went up to registering into Sailfish newsgroups etc.
Honestly, and it's sad to say: the OS looks cool but there are just no applications at all. Not even a decent email, not even an ad-filter.

I sincerely hope Jolla succeeds, but I cannot invest now hoping next year the phone will work.
In contrast the enormous size of Samsung (an issue of its own) may at least bring a machine that works upon switchon...
But I'll definitely keep an eye on both :-)

Re: I love Samsung's smartphones, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46098921)

I like Samsung, but Im getting increasingly disquested with Google and Android. So I believe this is a good thing. I will never buy another device with Android or Windows 8 on it.

what? is /. now a (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46098531)

cellphone advertiser? who gives a romeo alpha about some new phone?

sheesh, /. is turning into 'News for 'Tards'

Been there .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46098541)

I have a Samsung tocca ultra .... thank Google for Android!

C'mon Samsung (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46098545)

Is that same Samsung which:

- Doesnt upgrade Android for their previous (not old) hardware?
- Provide tablets with just one USB output? And not standard?
- Supports only proprietary additional hardware?

No thanks!! They can keep up with their braindead appleish hardware
Im moving to standard chinese hardware all the time

I hope the day i could upgrade my tablet as the same way i do upgrade my PC
Until there, there's little value added at all

At the time the first chinese hardware manufactures releases their first pen tablet, samsung is dead water for me

Nice phone (4, Informative)

reboot246 (623534) | about 6 months ago | (#46098585)

with a butt-ugly interface.

No sir, I don't like it.

Re:Nice phone (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46098673)

You appear to be aesthetically challenged.

So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46098629)

It rebuilds itself when it falls into the ground?

Samsung and Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46098649)

Didn't they just sign some agreement a few days ago? And now Samsung is gonna stab Google in the back. Grab your popcorn and place your bets!

Re:Samsung and Google (4, Funny)

Custard Horse (1527495) | about 6 months ago | (#46098669)

Didn't they just sign some agreement a few days ago? And now Samsung is gonna stab Google in the back. Grab your popcorn and place your bets!

They're keeping patent law alive. Not content with being sued by Apple, they will now be sued by microsoft - presumably as their 'tiles' are 'too square'.

Re:Samsung and Google (1)

gnasher719 (869701) | about 6 months ago | (#46098831)

They're keeping patent law alive. Not content with being sued by Apple, they will now be sued by microsoft - presumably as their 'tiles' are 'too square'.

Samsung has done plenty of suing themselves - not with much success. The worst failure of course in the EU, where Samsung has been threatened with a fine up to 13 billion dollars if they continue to try using Samsung patents in an anti-competitive way.

Proves WP8 is top-notch (0)

q.kontinuum (676242) | about 6 months ago | (#46098679)

So, Samsung copies now WP UI? Not Apple anymore?

Re:Proves WP8 is top-notch (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46098791)

ah [slow clap] ah [slow clap] ah!

Re: Proves WP8 is top-notch (1)

Tim Leath (3514895) | about 6 months ago | (#46098803)

well,after copying the rounded corners,they could'nt find anything else worthwhile from apple to copy. its apples constant "innovation" that is what others failed to copy. but when they went looking for it,it seem to have vanished as if it had been no more than mist,or a smoke screen.

Re:Proves WP8 is top-notch (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | about 6 months ago | (#46099761)

Never used a Windows phone, but I do have Surface, and I have to say I really like the Metro (aka Modern) UI on a touch device. I refuse to buy a phone without an SD card slot, so iPhone is out of the picture (as are many Android phones), so my next phone may very well be a Windows Phone. I'm not very impressed with Android and the only reason I have Android is because it was the only option at the time that had an SD card slot. The lack of ability to update the phone OS without going through the phone manufacturer or jumping through hoops of rooting the phone and unlocking the bootloader is just unacceptable. Windows phones seem to be much easier to update than Android phones, and all the Updates come through Microsoft, regardless of the manufacturer (from what I know, correct me if I'm wrong). And most of the Windows Phones I've seen come with an SD Card slot, or have a significant (32 GB) amount of storage on board.

False Windows 8 comparison (1)

RivenAleem (1590553) | about 6 months ago | (#46098709)

Just because it has widgets arranged on the screen, does not make it a Metro UI. I could do that with an android phone.

markets (3, Informative)

Tom (822) | about 6 months ago | (#46098777)

Samsung is also one of the world's top smartphone vendors, so it should have a decent chance at developing a mobile OS of its own, don't you think?

No. These are two different markets and being a good hardware vendor doesn't mean you're a good OS developer. It worked for Apple, because they are neither - they are a design-focussed company.

So Samsung or not makes no difference. Let's see what the product is like.

Tizen uses EFL (4, Informative)

Niznaika (913305) | about 6 months ago | (#46098835)

I see a lot of distrust of the Tizen interface, and even though I'm not a big fan of tiles, Samsung uses EFL as UI framework and has in it's payroll Carsten Haitzler (Rasterman) and Cedric Bail, the main developers of Enlightenment, which I think, grants that the end product will be quite good.

Samsung's agenda (1)

thornfield (638897) | about 6 months ago | (#46098849)

If you're winding how a Samsung UI and user experience would be under Tizen look at the Samsung Bluray players. This is all about Samsung's content/control agenda and nothing about the user experience.

Perhaps they can pull this off... (3, Insightful)

Simulant (528590) | about 6 months ago | (#46098881)

...but only if they can release OS updates for 1-2 years after a phone's release.

My experience with Samsung, (my first 3 android phones were Samsung), is that they tend to ship and forget. They showed no loyalty to me and so I never developed any loyalty to them. I think they got where they are by market saturation rather than any real, inherent superiority of their products.

Yet another mobile OS... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46098887)

*yawn*

LOL Samsung Software (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46099065)

They cant even make a proper phone manager, have you actually tried successfully using the mess of "Samsung Kies" ? it makes iTunes look good, a great example of form over function and screw UI standards, if it works for the sales demo it ships!.

When the very first UI page tells you to reinstall device drivers if anything doesn't work while using 1.2gig of ram (of outsourced .NET) just to sync Outlook and my Contact list, you know you are in for a good time.

Tiles Suck (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46099373)

My Galaxy S4 already has these App Tile What-cha-ma-call-its and, like Windows 8, they suck. Fortunately, and unlike Windows 8, I am not forced to use them on the S4. If that were to change... Well, Samsung might fall from its present power position.

Tiles suck. Bloatware apps suck. Spying apps suck. There is a market opportunity there for someone. Will someone take it and go for the long hall or will they all go for the quick money?

A leak? You mean press release... (2)

matbury (3458347) | about 6 months ago | (#46099395)

"Leak" seems to be the new term for "press release." Samsung are just drumming up their marketing machine to promote their next product. Must have learned it from Apple Inc. Perhaps they'll "lose" a prototype somewhere (Starbucks?) so that PR marketers... ahem, "journalists" have an excuse to generate more advertising revenue for their publication(s).

Really, this stuff is getting stale.

I'm not holding my breath for this! (3, Interesting)

morgauxo (974071) | about 6 months ago | (#46099705)

I had a Samsung Stratosphere. It ran like shit!!!!
Then I got an SIII. It worked for about a week.
Now I have a Motorola phone. Ah.... Much better!

If Samsung can't even make Android, which someone else has already done most of the coding for run well how are they going to make their own OS?!?!

Samsung doesn't code well (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 months ago | (#46100045)

I have a Galaxy S4 and a Nexus 4. Guess which one works better... The S4 reboots itself occasionally and the gui feels heavier. And that is just customizing android. I don't want to try something done by them from stratch.
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