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Linux 3.9 Released

samzenpus posted about a year ago | from the check-it-out dept.

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hypnosec writes "After a week's delay Linux 3.9 has finally been made available by Linus Torvalds. Last week Torvalds released the rc8 stating that he wasn't 'comfy' releasing the final version yet and that 'another week won't hurt.' Torvalds noted in this week's announcement that last week had been very quiet as there were not many commits and the ones which were there were 'really tiny' so he went ahead with the release of Linux 3.9."

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WAKE ME WHEN IT IS 8.0 !! (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43579599)

Catch up to Windows already !!

Re:WAKE ME WHEN IT IS 8.0 !! (1)

Chrisq (894406) | about a year ago | (#43579627)

Catch up to Windows already !!

Only if you count 1, 2, 3.0, 3.1, 95, 98, 3.1, 3.5, 4, 2000, XP, vista, 7, 8

Re:WAKE ME WHEN IT IS 8.0 !! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43579653)

Well that's how the progress bar counts so I don't see why it shouldn't be valid for everything else.

1... 2... many... 98%... 5... done

Re:WAKE ME WHEN IT IS 8.0 !! (3, Funny)

kernelistic (160323) | about a year ago | (#43580185)

You omitted the most epic part of the Windows family: Windows ME!

Re:WAKE ME WHEN IT IS 8.0 !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43580467)

Please.... some of us wants to forget it ever happened.

Re:WAKE ME WHEN IT IS 8.0 !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43581001)

You omitted the most epic part of the Windows family: Windows ME!

What about Bob?

Re:WAKE ME WHEN IT IS 8.0 !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43580611)

Well, if you count version #s instead of marketing names you get
1, 2, 3.0, 3.1, 3.11, 4.0, 4.1, 4.9 and
3.1, 3.5, 3.51, 4.0, 5.0, 5.1, 5.2, 6.0, 6.1, 6.2

After 3.9, what? 4? 3.10? (1)

unixisc (2429386) | about a year ago | (#43581489)

Am just wondering - once Linus is ready w/ the next version, what will he call it? 4.0? Or will he follow the Qt/KDE example and call it 3.10?

Re:After 3.9, what? 4? 3.10? (1)

unixisc (2429386) | about a year ago | (#43585729)

Replying to both the sibling posts above, shouldn't he then have revs that went 3.01, 3.02....3.10, 3.11.....3.99 and then 4.01...?

Yay for odd numbered kernel! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43579601)

Time to finally upgrade those old 3.8 production servers.

it is indeed (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43579609)

and I am running it, and as I was 3.8, and all those predecessors. So what ?

Interesting but... (4, Interesting)

hcs_$reboot (1536101) | about a year ago | (#43579621)

it's not in TFS, not in TFA... what's new in 3.9?

Re:Interesting but... (5, Informative)

OzPeter (195038) | about a year ago | (#43579641)

From the almighty google (but yeah a link in theTFS would be the least you'd expect)
 
  What's new in Linux 3.9 [h-online.com]

on dm-cache, bcache, etc (4, Interesting)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about a year ago | (#43580873)

Thanks for the link. I chased down the dm-cache stuff a bit, looking at it vs. bcache, which we'll see in June, probably. The primary differences seem to be that dm-cache is a bit more generic and easier to work with and it allows some manual allocation of the different types of disk data to be cached, while bcache seems to be targeting SSD's specifically, with wear-leveling sensitive write patterns, use of TRIM, and in-kernel code to validate the cache drives for preventing stupid user tricks.

EnhanceIO might also be targeting 3.10, which is a descendant of flashcache, which uses the layered device approach, while dm-cache and bcache are side-loaded. EnhanceIO uses udev rather than in-kernel code to prevent the stupid user tricks. I got the sense that 3.10 was possible for EnhanceIO but not as certain as bcache.

I'm current using flashcache on my non-ZFS systems; it looks like I'll be waiting for 3.10 and use bcache for my next upgrade.

Re:on dm-cache, bcache, etc (3, Interesting)

Lennie (16154) | about a year ago | (#43585029)

bcache can't be side-loaded though. :-( You need to format the HDD for bcache you can add/remove the SSD whatever you want after that though. But I expect bcache to be the fastest. As an indication the developer also needed to change/optimize parts of the block layer in the kernel before bcache could be added.

Re:on dm-cache, bcache, etc (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about a year ago | (#43585599)

bcache can't be side-loaded though

oh, no kidding. Either my information is way out of date or the presentation I went to a couple years back was wrong (side-loading was one of the 'design goals' outlined at the time). I might check out dm-cache after all - thanks!

Re:Interesting but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43585119)

Sadly we will still be waiting a bit longer for ftape.

Re:Interesting but... (4, Funny)

MrDoh! (71235) | about a year ago | (#43579643)

Jboots have been nerfed?
No idea, usually a list, only thing I'm seeing is;
http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1304.3/02009.html [indiana.edu]

That's more 'techy stuff fixed' rather than the shiny stuff mentioned.

Re:Interesting but... (2)

Kjella (173770) | about a year ago | (#43580307)

That mail is just what's in the last RC, which should be very very tiny fixes. The big stuff happened back in the merge window a few months ago.

Re:Interesting but... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43579749)

it's not in TFS

I think they use git for version control, not TFS. I understand the confusion though, given the kernel's history with proprietary version control.

Re:Interesting but... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43581779)

Guys, simply because the website's name is "Kernel Newbies" doesn't mean your balls fall off if you use it for your changelog needs. Add it to bookmarks, and never be sad again.

http://kernelnewbies.org/LinuxChanges

You're kidding me, right?!?!? (-1, Troll)

OzPeter (195038) | about a year ago | (#43579631)

This seems more like it belongs on the DailyWTF

Anyway. Whatever the reason, this week has been very quiet, which
makes me much more comfortable doing the final 3.9 release, so I guess
the last -rc8 ended up working.

Re:You're kidding me, right?!?!? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43579667)

What's wrong with that? That's how release candidates are supposed to work. You already do all your testing before the first rc. After releasing an rc you wait for anyone downstream to report problems. If there are no reports then that your final stage of QA is done and you accept the candidate.

Re:You're kidding me, right?!?!? (-1, Troll)

OzPeter (195038) | about a year ago | (#43579741)

What's wrong with that?

It's not the process, its the description .. which doesn't lend much credence to the quality of the release.
 
How would you feel if your boss said "I guess we paid you", at the end of your pay period. Sure the accountants did their work and you did get paid, and you can go to your bank account and see the deposit, but what would your bosses comments make you feel about the entire pay process?

Re:You're kidding me, right?!?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43579791)

So, you're waiting for the version where the developers say: "This documents that there are no bugs in this version", like your employer says "this documents that we have told the bank to transfer the money"?

Which OS are you using? The one from the Space Shuttle?

Re:You're kidding me, right?!?!? (-1, Troll)

OzPeter (195038) | about a year ago | (#43579859)

So, you're waiting for the version where the developers say: "This documents that there are no bugs in this version"

First of all .. your reply is a perfect example of a straw-man logical fallacy. I never said anything about 100% correct software, or your boss presenting you with documentary evidence that you have been paid.
 
What I was saying was that there is a world of difference between a wishy-washy statement of "I guess" and an explicit "I believe". Sure it doesn't change the facts of what happened, but it does imply that the boss is actually in charge of the process, and is aware of the current disposition of his business.

Re:You're kidding me, right?!?!? (2)

TheCRAIGGERS (909877) | about a year ago | (#43581157)

What I was saying was that there is a world of difference between a wishy-washy statement of "I guess" and an explicit "I believe".

Firstly, when it comes to kernel testing, no news is usually good news. But it's never a sure thing, and it's hard for one person to test it all.

Second, the newest kernel release is usually considered "bleeding edge", at least as far as enterprise goes. It's never a sure thing. Implying it's a sure thing and will for sure not catch your datacenter on fire is probably a Bad Idea.

Thirdly, who cares if Linus says "guess" or "believe". Both translate to exactly the same thing to me, given the context: "I'm pretty sure this is ok, but don't use this until you've backed up your important cat pictures." It's well known he's a bit bunt. Shit man, just be happy he didn't insult your mother in the header.

Re:You're kidding me, right?!?!? (2)

HiThere (15173) | about a year ago | (#43581517)

I really don't know what you expect. The only time I'd expect him to say "Upgrade NOW!" is if there were something very wrong with the prior release.

Perhaps you've been too immersed in advertisements, so that anything that isn't an ad doesn't sound right? I've NEVER been totally comfortable about any program I've written, and the things I write are small pieces compared to a kernel.

Re:You're kidding me, right?!?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43579807)

I wouldn't give a fuck as long as the right amount ends up in my bank account.

Furthermore my boss should be doing higher value stuff than regularly monitoring or handling payroll.

These version numbers are getting like Firefox (2)

Viol8 (599362) | about a year ago | (#43579639)

You have no real idea unless you read the release notes in depth whether 3.8 to 3.9 is a big change or just a bunch of relatively small incremental changes and bug fixes and Linus just fancied upping the minor version number.

Re:These version numbers are getting like Firefox (4, Insightful)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year ago | (#43579775)

IMO just like Photoshop or Office, Linux kernel has been "ready" for a long time already. So every release can be just accounted to be "a little bit more of the same", some bug fixes, an odd device driver or the filesystem of the month. No big changes, you just get the latest refresh.

Re:These version numbers are getting like Firefox (2)

DarkOx (621550) | about a year ago | (#43580099)

Really - I have felt the whole 3.x.x line has added lots of interesting new features with each second decimal point release. I guess some btrfs stuff might fall under filesystem of the week. But if you do any prototyping or visualization with Linux containers and the like btrfs improvements have been pretty interesting; as has the container specific stuff like kernel namespace enhancements.

Honestly I think there have been more interesting developments along the way in 3.x than there were from 2.4 -> 2.6.

Re:These version numbers are getting like Firefox (3, Interesting)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about a year ago | (#43580983)

Honestly I think there have been more interesting developments along the way in 3.x than there were from 2.4 -> 2.6.

I totally agree, but it's also fair to say that the efforts towards correctness from 2.4 to 2.6 have enabled the feature work happening in 3.x. I was just reading through the Xen commit about the feature to hot-plug new memory and CPU devices, and it's really so dependent on linux being able to say, "oh, you have a new memory module? OK, fine." which wasn't always the case.

And now for the flame-inducing observation: I think that through much of the 2000's, the BSD folks had a more mature and correct operating system to build on and that allowed them to add new features (e.g. pf, jails, zfs, dtrace) in an easier and faster way and we greatly benefited from that during that time period. Sure, linux had more drivers, but there was a fair bit of ugly kernel code to be faced. As of some point in the past couple years, linux has caught up, and now most of the really interesting new stuff (e.g. user namespaces) is probably going to be on linux, as that's where the momentum is. It'll probably be another three years before this becomes really obvious. Certainly there are still parts of linux with ugliness that need some TLC - I'm just talking about an inflection point, not an endpoint.

Re:These version numbers are getting like Firefox (1)

ArsonSmith (13997) | about a year ago | (#43581189)

What is meant by "filesystem of the week"? Linux started out with ext but dropped fairly quickly and never really was used by many. There was then ext2->ext3&ReiserFS->ext4 now possibly btrfs. For over 20 years there have been 4 to 5 core filesystems. That'd be the filesystem of the half decade, not week. Sure there are a lot of special case filesystems and a few major ones ported from other systems, but the core actual base filesystems has been very small and linear.

Re:These version numbers are getting like Firefox (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43579865)

There are no more "big changes". The gigantic shift you saw between 2.4 and 2.6 was a mess and the policy is to not do stuff like that anymore.

Re:These version numbers are getting like Firefox (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43579999)

Wrong. Linus doesn't bump version numbers for a bug fix, there's a stable kernel for that. Nice try, troll.

Re:These version numbers are getting like Firefox (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43580105)

Linux has been following this development model since the 2.6 version - small incremental changes add up to significant improvements over time. 3.0 was just a technicality, really, and unless anything radical changes in terms of the development process, there will be no 4.0

Re:These version numbers are getting like Firefox (3)

LordLimecat (1103839) | about a year ago | (#43581713)

Does it really matter that much to you whether its 3.9 or 3.8.1.24.96?

The number is incrementing at the same rate it used to, they just got rid of the stupid digit in the middle which ceased having any meaning years ago. Linux has been using the third digit as "minor" revision for years now, and they no longer do even-odd versioning with the second digit.

Seriously, everyone with a hangup about version numbers, get over yourself.

Re:These version numbers are getting like Firefox (3)

jones_supa (887896) | about a year ago | (#43582237)

I kind of like the Ubuntu and MATLAB version numbering as it doesn't even pretend to be anything else than a simple date. I wonder if it could work great for projects like Linux or Firefox too -- projects that don't have clear major/minor cycles but which just keep on improving linearly. It has the bonus that you can see the release date quickly from the version.

3.9 includes (5, Informative)

Chrisq (894406) | about a year ago | (#43579661)

Among other things [h-online.com] 3.9 includes experimental kernel-level Raid 5 and 6, caching slow of storage devices by fast ones, support for more graphics cards and audio devices, as well as improved power management.

Re:3.9 includes (4, Informative)

danbob999 (2490674) | about a year ago | (#43579725)

Linux already had kernel-level Raid 5 and 6. It is usable with mdadm. The new feature is that BTRFS, a filesystem, now supports Raid 5 and 6 without using the software-raid layer in the kernel.

Re:3.9 includes (2)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | about a year ago | (#43580505)

BTRFS, a filesystem, now supports Raid 5 and 6 without using the software-raid layer in the kernel

[link to the "rampant-layering-violations" rant about ZFS from several years ago]...

Re:3.9 includes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43581043)

Putting RAID 1 or RAID 5 in the filesystem enables features not otherwise possible. In BTRFS, and presumably ZFS previously, data is protected with CRC checks. When data is read off the drive, if the CRC value is bad, it can be read from the other drive, and the first drive can be corrected. You can't do this with block level RAID.

Re:3.9 includes (1)

Cid Highwind (9258) | about a year ago | (#43584669)

[link to the "rampant-layering-violations" rant about ZFS from several years ago]

[innocent observation that blind obedience to authority is seldom a positive trait]

[nonchalant lean against the "Godwin: next 3 posts" sign]

Re:So what's new? (2)

MMC Monster (602931) | about a year ago | (#43580461)

I thought we generally point to Kernel Newbies: http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_3.9 [kernelnewbies.org]

Never heard of H Online. Is this another site we're using now?

Re:So what's new? (1)

MMC Monster (602931) | about a year ago | (#43580511)

Gotta say, SSD caching in the device mapper sounds pretty interesting.

Can't wait until the mainstream distributions pick this up. I'm using ext4 on my SSD (64GB) and my rotating disc HD (3 TB), and would like to seamlessly use the SSD to cache.

Re: So what's new? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43582865)

We use ssd for our swap. Works like a charm.

Re:So what's new? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43585035)

Why waste a SSD on caching? Use the SSD as intended - as a file system. Who needs a rotating dinosaur? Just drop it, and have everything on the fast SSD. I have lots of software and source code too - and don't need more than 40GB. The 120GB SSD seems to be overkill. . .

Re:So what's new? (1)

complete loony (663508) | about a year ago | (#43585825)

I couldn't remember, nor find it via google. But I found a few other 3.9 release stories that pointed there so I went with that. I was just surprised that TFS didn't include any actual details.

hooray bcache! (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year ago | (#43579795)

I have an 80GB SSD and a 500GB HDD and I want to use the SSD as dog intended, as a cache for the HDD. bcache is in 3.9, that's great news. it will be mainline in 3.10, that's even better, because it means distributions will support it.

Does it still require reformatting all your volumes? That was lame.

Re:hooray bcache! (1)

friend function (1492021) | about a year ago | (#43580011)

Correction, it seems that it is dm-cache which is in Linux 3.9, not bcache. I'm also looking to use this!

Re:hooray bcache! (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | about a year ago | (#43580399)

Correction, it seems that it is dm-cache which is in Linux 3.9, not bcache. I'm also looking to use this!

Hmm, sorry, brain fart. Nobody ever wants to discuss dm-cache here, but we did discuss bcache a few times. Maybe the dev gave up, he didn't seem very motivated. I tried dm-cache once but it was only being maintained for very old kernels, which makes me worry now.

SSD caching - awesome (1)

EmagGeek (574360) | about a year ago | (#43580005)

Been waiting for that in linux for a while.

Re:SSD caching - awesome (3, Informative)

Gaygirlie (1657131) | about a year ago | (#43580421)

It's been around in the form of bcache for ages now and bcache is considered stable -- it is already in production-use. It's a pretty nifty thing, can be configured to your needs to quite a large degree and it's smart enough not to cache large, sequential reads/writes. If you're interested check out http://bcache.evilpiepirate.org/ [evilpiepirate.org] and http://atlas.evilpiepirate.org/git/linux-bcache.git/tree/Documentation/bcache.txt?h=bcache-dev [evilpiepirate.org]

Re:SSD caching - awesome (1)

danbob999 (2490674) | about a year ago | (#43582185)

Block-level SSD caching is a step in the right direction, but not the perfect solution. What we need is file-level SSD caching. It would be stupid to invalidate the cache after hard drive defragmentation. Also we would need it to be configurable, ie. do not cache any file that ends in .mkv, .mp3 or .iso.

Re:SSD caching - awesome (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43582273)

What's "hard drive defragmentation"? I think I've heard of it, but only when talking about Windows.

Re:SSD caching - awesome (1)

danbob999 (2490674) | about a year ago | (#43583151)

Defragmentation is only one example. Block caching has its limits. Let say one block contains a frequently used file. You delete it. The block is then re-used for a file you never use. It might stay in cache for a while just because of the statistics of the previous file.

awesome! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43580017)

This version includes my patches for large HOSTS file support. Previously, the kernel used a fixed buffer size for the HOSTS file entries. relatively largeish (1 million+ entries) overflowed it and entries were dropped. 3.9 will dynamically resize (zero-copy algorithm) so the Linux KERNEL now officially has the best HOSTS file support anywhere.

Re:awesome! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43581013)

CAPTIALIZE those FILENAMES, it's what LINUX is ALL ABOUT.

"1st they ignore you..." (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43581479)

"... then they ridicule you, then they fight you, and then you win" Mahatma Gandhi -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3674733&cid=43530007 [slashdot.org]

* Funny how exactly THAT which is in that quote above happens, every single time you "funny trolls" (you're idiots) try it, now isn't it? That link above shows NO different... a "lose" for you ac trolls yet again vs. myself!

(Absolutely... makes ME laugh, the hardest, just like in that link above - especially since "the best you've got" is your "humor" but the biggest humor is watching you fools screwup like in that link above!)

APK

P.S.=> By the way, & for "posterities' sake": Linux, afaik @ least, NEVER HAS HAD ANY ISSUES WITH LARGE HOSTS FILES - at least the last version I seriously used, in KUbuntu 10.04 in the summer of 2010 while I was touring europe... only Windows does IF you leave the faulty fixed-size local dns caching client service active (with larger hosts files).

... apk

Re:"1st they ignore you..." (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43585175)

here's to hoping someone prints out their super large hosts file and deposits the output right in your arse.

Re:awesome! (1)

iggymanz (596061) | about a year ago | (#43581675)

even more amazing, this new kernel can run a special name resolving service that eliminates the need for a HOSTS file in most cases!

You're modded up funny (this is funnier) (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43582011)

That "the best you got"'s a bogus moddown of my post http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3696709&cid=43581479 [slashdot.org] and, nothing more (since I crushed you on the topic you bring up now 4x already this week).

Which was a post of mine that showed us ALL that you obviously didn't like looking stupid as you did there and being exposed in it ac troll - hence, your effete & computing technically unjustifiable downmod of my post.

(However, perhaps MORE IMPORTANTLY, the link inside the link above that gives the details of your blatant technical screwups on this subject, here -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3674733&cid=43530007 [slashdot.org] ).

* Now, you *may* think you're funny, however again:

Yes, trolls - I truly DO "get the last laugh" per that 2nd link above, where you showed us NUMEROUS EXAMPLES of your screwups this past week or two (on the subject of hosts files & caching their data which you brought up!), and trust me - your WEAK tech skills did and still DO make me laugh, large!

APK

P.S.=> As far as your "upward moderation"? Puh-LEESE: Give us a break - That's not a "big trick" when you have multiple registered 'luser' accounts here now is it? Nope!

However, I must thank you!

For good measure, good manners & yes, a touch of "gloating" too since I GET THAT "LAST LAUGH" HERE, seeing as you're reduced to computing technically unjustifiable downmods...

Lastly, as per your usual?

You can't disprove points I made... you, FAIL, ac troll!

(As always vs. myself on this & other subjects in computing (and you know it, I KNOW IT, & anyone with 1/2 a brain reading here does also now) & yes additionally - THANK YOU, for making ME look GOOD, & yourself, "not so good".

---

Now, you DO know that you're just making me HAVE TO SAY IT, don't you? Of course you do - thus, I just have to as-is-per-my-own "inimitable style":

THIS? This was just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2ez'" & it always is, vs. mindless "funny ac trolls", every single time as shown above (5x or more this week alone on this very topic no less)...

... apk

Re:You're modded up funny (this is funnier) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43582323)

You have almost 2 million malware/ad entries in your hosts file? Jesus, what kind of disgusting gay porn sites do you visit?

You have a problem.

P.S. Please stop with the incoherent ranting.

AC Troll: Quit "projecting"... apk (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43583245)

"Jesus, what kind of disgusting gay porn sites do you visit?" - by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 29, 2013 @01:28PM (#43582323)

See my subject-line above, & to answer you? I don't, thanks to what I created shown below & my 15++ reputable & reliable sources for custom hosts file data (that it imports-deduplicates/normalizes, converts for faster/smaller blocking addresses, & sorts).

That, combined with 15++ yrs. of effort of my own in researching security articles OR finding those bogus sites myself also & adding them to my custom hosts file, or firewall rules tables (IF/WHEN IP address based, the least used due to "fastflux" designed botnets MOSTLY being out there now...).

---

"You have almost 2 million malware/ad entries in your hosts file?" - by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 29, 2013 @01:28PM (#43582323)

1,971,340++ as of 7 a.m. this morning to be precise!

A.) The top "block" is 20 of my FAVORITE sites I hardcoded into it for both speed, & reliability (vs. dns failings mostly in security here, but also since querying a local in memory cached host is faster than calling out to remote DNS too - where favs @ the top beat indexing even up to 2 million++ entries!)

B.) The lower rest of them are BLOCKED (not meant to be gotten to, this is a security portion along with hardcodes helping against downed or redirect poisoned dns & it is EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE vs. modern botnet designs (ala "fastflux" I noted above)).

--

"You have a problem." - by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 29, 2013 @01:28PM (#43582323)

Actually, NO, I don't... & especially since I made creating such a custom hosts file a snap & gui easy, thus:

--

APK Hosts File Engine 5.0++ 32/64-bit:

http://start64.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5851:apk-hosts-file-engine-64bit-version&catid=26:64bit-security-software&Itemid=74 [start64.com]

--

HOWEVER. lol, but YOU DO HAVE A PROBLEM (and more than 1, noted in my 'p.s.' below) - in that you can't disprove my points, & thus/again: YOU FAIL, & you know it, I know it, + so does anyone else reading here as well, because of that.

APK

P.S.=>

"P.S. Please stop with the incoherent ranting." - by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 29, 2013 @01:28PM (#43582323)

1.) Please DO try to disprove my points on what custom hosts files give you in added speed, security, reliability, & even anonymity to an extent (vs. DNS request loggings) listed in the link to my program above (good luck - NOBODY ever has or will)

2.) Please QUIT "projecting" your own "StRaNgE-TaSTeS" in where YOU like to go online (lmao - hey, after all: YOU said it, projecting your own "phatasies", lol!).

3.) Please *TRY* to be on topic - even though your hosts post is NOT on topic!

--

Yes, I know - Those 3 suggestions I made to you would be a HUGE effort for the 'trolling off topic likes of you' & especially after you've been utterly "blown away" by yours truly on the tech of this - but do TRY!

... apk

Re:AC Troll: Quit "projecting"... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43583283)

I have a problem: I'm laughing hysterically at your gibberish.

Get "hooked on phonics" (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43584191)

"I have a problem" - by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 29, 2013 @02:31PM (#43583283)

You do: 1st - Reading's "beyond you" + correct use of hosts http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3674733&cid=43530007 [slashdot.org] since you've "blown it" like what? 5x or more THIS WEEK ALONE on this subject?

So - Yes, for once, you're correct: Your problem's that you are WEAK in technical aspects of computing in this area, and of course, that you're a worthless troll that is unable to find error in my points on hosts, disproving them... lol!

It's as simple as that.

--

You're also the FOOL that posts on hosts where it isn't correct OR doesn't apply (in some stupid attempt to 'troll me', or to *try* to 'discredit me' - grow up: Crap like that doesn't work vs. facts & truth!).

This only tells me that I have torn you & "yours" up, SO MANY TIMES on this subject, just like in the link above... lol, that you're reduced to your "humor"... you fail that too.

(ME? Hey - I only post on hosts where they apply to help users for more speed, security, reliability, & even anonymity to an extent when it applies to that article's material, unlike your trollings here...).

--

What makes me laugh the MOST?

Well, that is THAT link I posted above happened when idiots like yourself *tried* vainly "impersonating me", by posting partial posts of mine concatenated into HUGE single ones to annoy others (or just full of 'gibberish' & your ac posts only as links)

OR

To TRY to 'discredit' myself as a "spammer"... you failed that too - see link above.

--

LMAO: Funniest part about that link above?

* YOU anonymous trolls did that only to get caught in the act, like Jeremiah Cornelius did here http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3581857&cid=43276741 [slashdot.org] mistakenly submitting that under his "REGISTERED 'LUSER'" name, instead of his 100's of anonymous coward submissions he did before that for the past 2-3 months & more now... pitiful.

(I mean, not only did that fool get FIRED @ MICROSOFT, but he can't even TROLL right, lol!)

APK

P.S.=> Go away troll. Your BIGGEST problem, is this:

Your TOTALLY "anonymous coward" puny "trolling posts", just like you're doing here now, merely only shows us you failed in life too!

(Since you've nothing better to do with yourself than 'trolling' (the province of the online and yes offline weasel & loser))...

You know, I truly DO wonder though: How many times have you had your blocked knocked off for being that way in the REAL world?

If it hasn't happened yet, trust me: It will - that is, of course, assuming it hasn't happened already & you do it online to "relieve yourself" of your weasel urges - try "Satan, GET THEE BEHIND ME" instead, ok?

Yes... only a matter of time, assuming you aren't SO much of a weasel, you don't DARE it in the real world (my guess is you don't)!

Probably be good for you too - to learn you shouldn't mess with your betters!

... apk

Re:Get "hooked on phonics" (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43584321)

take a chill pill d00d.

"Rinse, Lather, & Repeat" troll... apk (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43584781)

"1st they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you, and then you win" Mahatma Gandhi & this initial post of mine you tried to "hide" vainly that exposed your NUMEROUS screwups technically on the subject YOU brought up here off topic (trying to be a nuisance again) -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3696709&cid=43581479 [slashdot.org]

* You FAILED on all accounts here... & earlier this week, here especially -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3674733&cid=43530007 [slashdot.org]

( & you know it, I know it, + so does anyone else reading this exchange!)

APK

P.S.=> Since you see fit to dispense advice after your FAILS above? Here's some for you:

"take a chill pill d00d." - by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 29, 2013 @04:04PM (#43584321)

Take your own advice troll, & instead, learn more on this subject!

(Especially since your initial ac troll post rated "funny" only let ME have "the last laugh" here, & especially per that 2nd lower link above where the "tech details" for it are - & your 1st troll posts' INCORRECT on Linux info. you posted there too per my statement there in my 'p.s.' termination).

Your complete FAIL here shows you NEED to, badly!

Try instead to do something productive with your time that helps others out on NUMEROUS fronts for better online speed, security, reliability, & even anonymity to an extent... Like I have here -> http://start64.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5851:apk-hosts-file-engine-64bit-version&catid=26:64bit-security-software&Itemid=74 [start64.com]

That's more useful than your 'trolling' others like the punk you're showing us all you truly are... apk

Re:AC Troll: Quit "projecting"... apk (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43585237)

please, for the love of slashdot, stop feeding that goofball.

Modded "funny"? This is funnier (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43585277)

You blew it & tried "hiding it" via unjustifiable downmods -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3696709&cid=43582011 [slashdot.org]

Just like you tried vainly + effetely hiding my initial post here with its quote from Gandhi -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3696709&cid=43581479 [slashdot.org]

Oh, I can see why & ESPECIALLY on that 2nd link (though it's HARD for me to "channel my inner criminal" for trolls like you since I am NOT like you):

That post showed your fail on the topic YOU brought up here in hosts showed you are completely off topic & in blatant error for Linux too, & the details were here on EXACTLY HOW & WHY You FAIL for Windows also -> http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3674733&cid=43530007 [slashdot.org] & how many times this week alone? 6 now??

* Accept 1 thing, trolling little worm - I'm NOT going to let you do your effete unjustifiable downmods to "try hide your fail" (which MOST here will see it anyhow since most here browse beneath the stupid default), & again:

YES - I'm having that "last laugh" @ YOUR expense now, funny guy that you are! What I found 'funny' about your post is how easy it is the blow you away & make you appear as stupid as you TRULY, are, lol!

APK

P.S.=> YOU & all those LIKE you? Always FAIL - why??

You're worms - I can't put it any plainer than that! Then again, you know that & your bogus "trolling" proves it all the more not only to myself, but also to others here reading, and perhaps MOSTLY to yourself (and, you know it).

YOU exemplify what I call "not men", lol... no 'small wonder' you post as ac too (and yet you apply downmods from your registered 'luser' account afterwards? Easy enough to do: LOGOUT of your account so its tracking cookie is saved in state, then troll by ac, and relogon to your "registered 'luser'" account afterwards to apply downmods - real "genius" that (not)).

... apk

No offense (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43580077)

But, why does anyone care?

Re:No offense (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43580279)

There are a few people out there that actually use Linux and it is a big deal to them. There are also a few people who will participate in "nerd Jeopardy" and there will probably be answers in the category "fringe computing" like "April 28th, 2013" where the correct question will be "when did teh Linus release GNU/Linux kernel 3.9". The rest of us don't care.

It's still just... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43580725)

a kernel hacked together by minions with Linus as gatekeeper + plus a bunch of userland software scrounged up and cobbled together to give the illusion of an "Operating System" :-)

I'm waiting for the support on 3.8 to lapse... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43581393)

...and counting down 3... 2... 1...

Finally! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43581485)

But what exactly does this means for my new smartphone? Yes, trolling, but on a serious note, 'linux' dominance is mostly smartphones. The year of (Desktop) Linux never came.

Re:Finally! (2)

TheCycoONE (913189) | about a year ago | (#43582039)

That android developers can run Goldfish with a native kernel to simulate a virtual Android device and thus write apps a little bit easier?

Whither ACPI: EC Buffer Is Not Empty? (1)

saudadelinux (574392) | about a year ago | (#43581613)

It'd be nice if they'd build in the patch for bugs like this, which have gone on in multiple distro kernels for years: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/578506?comments=all [launchpad.net]

Re:Whither ACPI: EC Buffer Is Not Empty? (1)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | about a year ago | (#43583393)

What makes you think this is a kernel bug? It looks like removing the battery and putting it back in solves the issue, so this is more likely an error in the ACPI DSDT of the laptop.

Single Point of Failure (2)

ThatsNotPudding (1045640) | about a year ago | (#43582143)

An over-the-top subject line no doubt, but as a Linux (LMDE) home user, I am a little concerned about this wonderful OS ecology apparently in just one Torvalds-shaped basket. It seems odd to me that this experience - where community involvement is so beneficial - has a single person that has total thumbs up / thumbs down power.

Yes, this is mostly Linus' baby, but assuming he's not immortal, how much planning is going into the inevitable transition? History is littered with examples of rapid decline / fall / outright war (aka forking) after the strong, hands-on founder is gone. I don't want something as precious as Linux to be destroyed in interneciene BS as that is just what its many enemies desire and will outright foment.

Re:Single Point of Failure (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43583889)

An over-the-top subject line no doubt, but as a Linux (LMDE) home user, I am a little concerned about this wonderful OS ecology apparently in just one Torvalds-shaped basket.

Spoken like someone that hasn't thought what they are talking about.

Linus is the benevolent dictator for Linux - that's what he calls himself. But he doesn't hold the keys to the castle. You may want to read up on Linux Foundation before thinking that there is no one that would take over from him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Foundation [wikipedia.org]

Linus is just the "head of state" of the ecosystem. Just like there is constitutional monarchy in the commonwealth. It doesn't mean that Canada or Australia would cease to exist if the Queen had a mental breakdown tomorrow.

Re:Single Point of Failure (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#43585085)

Yes, and in the democratic ecosystem you must call Linus a fucking moron and flame him on lkml.org to voice your vote.

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