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Microsoft Sponsors Linux Foundation Event

timothy posted about 2 years ago | from the not-entirely-new dept.

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darthcamaro writes "There was a time when the Linux Foundation wouldn't take money from Microsoft. That time is not today — Microsoft is listed as a Gold Sponsor of the LinuxCon Europe event, paying $20,000 for the privilege and also getting a guaranteed speaking slot as a result."

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time for a boycot (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41894451)

if they want money form the enemy then time ot let them die.

Re:time for a boycot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41895427)

That's not a very "open" attitude to have.

Re:time for a boycot (2)

mschaffer (97223) | about 2 years ago | (#41895839)

Of whom? Why not Apple. What have they done for anything open source (aside from commandeering parts of BSD for their own operating system)?

Re:time for a boycot (1)

Per Abrahamsen (1397) | about 2 years ago | (#41896113)

Apple was for a time a major contributor to GCC, and is currently the driving force behind llvm and clang.

Also, they improved kHTML and released the result as webkit, which they are still one of the main contributors to.

Re:time for a boycot (1, Informative)

Bengie (1121981) | about 2 years ago | (#41896143)

Apple's contributions to FreeBSD:
1) Removing giant kernel lock
2) Dramatically improved Wifi support
3) Much improved SMP scaling
4) D-Trace
5) Improved file system journeling
6) Improved scheduler
7) Super Pages
8) Some auditing framework needed for government systems
9) Full 64bit kernel

Apple didn't do all of the work, but the pioneered the required changes.

Re:time for a boycot (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41896567)

Citation needed. For all of it, really.

These are big changes that occurred in FreeBSD. None of these were apple's contributions.

Re:time for a boycot (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41897789)

but they "pioneered" the changes! what a #$@#

I'm confused. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41899453)

Wasn't this story about Microsoft, and their contribution to buy the right to speak at a Linux convention?

What the fuck does Apple have to do with it?

Also, on the actual story: IT'S A TRAP!!!

In other news.. (1, Funny)

mcspoo (933106) | about 2 years ago | (#41894467)

Mitt Romney sponsors Obama's campaign victory. Seems anti-antithetical for MS to host anything involving Linux... what's the catch?

Re:In other news.. (5, Informative)

joaosantos (1519241) | about 2 years ago | (#41894599)

HyperV. Microsoft wants to sell it.

Re:In other news.. (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 2 years ago | (#41894747)

I run Windows guests on Linux hosts. I cannot imagine any reason I would want to flip that around.

Re:In other news.. (3, Insightful)

Mitchell314 (1576581) | about 2 years ago | (#41894789)

Hardware stress tests? :P

Re:In other news.. (1)

joaosantos (1519241) | about 2 years ago | (#41894833)

HyperV is a bare metal hypervisor, it doesn't run on Windows. I don't know how good it is because I've never used it.

Re:In other news.. (2)

MakerDusk (2712435) | about 2 years ago | (#41894993)

HyperV comes in every copy of Windows 8 64-bit. It's simply a service that needs to be enabled from the windows features list.

Re:In other news.. (1)

joaosantos (1519241) | about 2 years ago | (#41895261)

Yes, but they also have a stand alone versions, that has only a lobotomized version of windows.

Re:In other news.. (1)

OdinOdin_ (266277) | about 2 years ago | (#41901097)

and do standalone versions they require a 13Gb root drive ? like surface ?

Re:In other news.. (1, Informative)

hairyfeet (841228) | about 2 years ago | (#41896307)

Drivers? Like it or not with so many major subsystems constantly being futzed with drivers break a LOT more often on Linux than they do on Windows.

This of course makes complete sense if one takes only a second to think about it, you have multiple kernels, major changes to the subsystems, and only a limited number of devs, most of which have no ties to the hardware whose drivers they are working on. Compare this to Windows where you'll have a single kernel for the 10 year run of the OS, same subsystems, and the OEMs only have to make a single driver for that OS and its good for the life of that OS.

So...yeah, I can see why you would want to run a Windows host with multiple Linux VMs, and since MSFT has been bundling SUSE and selling licenses with WinServer for years I can see buying a slot to sell HyperV.

Re:In other news.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41897979)

Microsoft shops that have software that is Linux-only, or other small workloads.

Re:In other news.. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41894603)

Hyper-V - while Microsoft would love for everyone to run Windows Server everywhere they know that isn't going to happen. They also see the virtualization trend and they want to have Hyper-V dominate that market. They are a bit behind vmware and possibly KVM yet, but they do have a solid product they want to push.

I'm assuming almost everything they talk about will be how you can virtualize your existing Linux machines on to Hyper-V.

Re:In other news.. (5, Informative)

LVSlushdat (854194) | about 2 years ago | (#41894731)

I signed up for a 90 day demo Azure account, just to see how it compares to Amazon AWS, and was surprised as hell to see them offering Linux vms.. So just for giggles, spun one up, and sure enough, it was CentOS. They're pretty darn cheap on the demo though, I left the vm running and set a reminder to kill it before the 90 days was up, and about 30 days into the demo, I get an email telling me the account was getting close to running out of the "free" specs and I'd need to add a credit card for charges to continue.. This, mind you, on a vm thats just the os/normal services, nothing else running.. I went ahead and cancelled the demo.. Will stick to AWS and their free tier... I've had both a Win2003 AND an Ubuntu vm running there on the free tier for nearly six months, and both are actually runnning some remote services that I had been running on my home servers..

Re:In other news.. (3, Funny)

zrbyte (1666979) | about 2 years ago | (#41894611)

Not much, but there is a cold-wave going through Hell.

Re:In other news.. (4, Informative)

OzPeter (195038) | about 2 years ago | (#41894615)

Mitt Romney sponsors Obama's campaign victory.

Seems anti-antithetical for MS to host anything involving Linux... what's the catch?

Well as per this article Microsoft is offering Linux on its Azure platform [pcworld.com] , so its quite reasonable for a major vendor of Linux services to want to be part of a Linux conference (and I had to stop myself from laughing out loud when I wrote that)

Re:In other news.. (1)

LVSlushdat (854194) | about 2 years ago | (#41895747)

Even odder...

Obama sponsors Romney's campaign victory...

Re:In other news.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41900967)

Maybe they rigged the venue with a horde of ravenous alligators that drop from the ceiling once everyone is trapped inside.

/check_calendar (1, Troll)

MarioMax (907837) | about 2 years ago | (#41894469)

Nope, not April 1st. I'm curious what Microsoft has to say. No doubt it is to praise Microsoft, but I wonder if they are going to positively speak about Open Source and Linux

Re:/check_calendar (4, Funny)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about 2 years ago | (#41894517)

linux and MS have a common enemy.

apple.

(only half kidding.)

Re:/check_calendar (1)

marcosdumay (620877) | about 2 years ago | (#41894665)

As they are organized now, Apple and MS have a common enemy: Linux.

Ok, MS will backstab Apple removing itself from the aliance some day. But I doubt they'll make it so public.

Re:/check_calendar (1)

lister king of smeg (2481612) | about 2 years ago | (#41895057)

it would be fairly public because pretty much the only thing they could do is withdraw MS Office for OSX, they couldn't sue them for patents or other IP due to already in place cross licensing agreements that breaking would cost them a significant amount of cash. They have other products for Apple but Office is the only one people really use.

Re:/check_calendar (1, Insightful)

Nerdfest (867930) | about 2 years ago | (#41895175)

I thought their common enemy was Google (although Google does use lot of Linux in its business).

Re:/check_calendar (1)

marcosdumay (620877) | about 2 years ago | (#41898557)

It's Android. Android is Linux from Google... So, yes.

Re:/check_calendar (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41895707)

Yeah, and Linux and Apple have a common enemy: Microsoft

(OpenGL vs DirectX, etc)

Re:/check_calendar (4, Funny)

gmuslera (3436) | about 2 years ago | (#41894915)

After betting all the company on Windows 8, I'd say that the common enemy is Microsoft

Re:/check_calendar (1)

gtall (79522) | about 2 years ago | (#41899875)

Ah, recursive screwing. Those bastards!!

Re:/check_calendar (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41895669)

linux and MS have a common enemy.

apple.

(only half kidding.)

No,

Apple and Microsoft are old Machiavellian empires at war, both plotting to use barbarian hordes of Linuxoi against each other.

Re:/check_calendar (1)

joaosantos (1519241) | about 2 years ago | (#41894613)

They want to sell HyperV, nothing new here.

Re:/check_calendar (1)

compupc1 (138208) | about 2 years ago | (#41894643)

Actually a number of their products have been going open-source in the last year or two, especially some of their web development frameworks such as ASP.NET MVC, Entity Framework, the Razor view engine, etc. I believe these are under an Apache 2.0 license.

Their Azure cloud platform also recently added "IaaS" support for installing Linux in persistent VMs. My guess is they might want to discuss this.

Re:/check_calendar (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41894693)

Probably something about Hyper-V or Azure.

Lol (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41894475)

Hope they have chicken wire in front of the stage.

Re:Lol (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41897935)

the MS reps should probably go straight back to their rooms instead of to the pub with the rest of the attendees. I know i'd make them take the following week off from work if i caught them in a dark alley. If you don't understand why, then you are complicit as well.

Let's ask the Admiral... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41894481)

Admiral Ackbar [youtube.com]

Sea change? (2)

CrixDev (2491474) | about 2 years ago | (#41894489)

When is Winux coming out? LOL

Sea change? water level is ...? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41896175)

I thought MS has a Linux distro
What was it called? ... It was so forgettable.

time for a boycott (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41894499)

time ot let them talk to an empty audience
and why is my post disappearing?

Rmoney... (1)

Endimiao (471532) | about 2 years ago | (#41894511)

Well, linux brings them alot of cash... Android-flavored

Some men... (0)

chucklebutte (921447) | about 2 years ago | (#41894539)

Just want to watch the world burn.

Azure (3, Informative)

zmooc (33175) | about 2 years ago | (#41894559)

Azure (the MS cloud) now supports Linux images. They probably want some attention for that.

Re:Azure (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41894667)

Also MS is being realistic (unlike some here). Their customers use other techs. They know it. They long ago dropped the 'use only our junk', thats apples job these days...

Re:Azure (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41895067)

Of course they would. And for only $20.000 they got quite a few front page articles in many websites (including slashdot).

Re:Azure (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41895893)

At least now we know exactly how much it costs to get a link published in here.

When you can't beat em... (1)

Dishwasha (125561) | about 2 years ago | (#41894591)

Join em.

Re:When you can't beat em... (4, Funny)

VortexCortex (1117377) | about 2 years ago | (#41894799)

Join em.

First they ignore you.
Then they laugh at you.
Then they fight you.
Then you win...

...Then they adopt you.
Then they abuse you.
Then they make you abuse others while they watch.
Then you become them.
Then you ignore them.
Then you laugh at them...

Why all the corporate sponsorship press? (4, Insightful)

xxxJonBoyxxx (565205) | about 2 years ago | (#41894645)

Hey SlashDot, how about some "News for Nerds" sometime soon? This is two days in a row with an announcement about some large corporate entity throwing money into a marketing pot. If we wanted this kind of news, we'd be on the Businessweek site right now.

Re:Why all the corporate sponsorship press? (1)

RaceProUK (1137575) | about 2 years ago | (#41894841)

Hey SlashDot, how about some "News for Nerds" sometime soon?

Will this do? [slashdot.org]

Perhaps (1)

dimko (1166489) | about 2 years ago | (#41894647)

Microsoft understands they will loose dominating position forever. And why not sell Office on Linux?

Re:Perhaps (1)

Ignacio (1465) | about 2 years ago | (#41895751)

They wouldn't have to (lose dominance) if they took a few steps:

1) Complete wine
2) Port explorer, the common controls, and COM
3) Sell it all bundled together

But as they say, "Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall".

Money is stronger then convictions. (3, Insightful)

Nyder (754090) | about 2 years ago | (#41894709)

MS has been an enemy of linux since the beginning. Taking their money now just shows that Linux can now be bought off.

Re:Money is stronger then convictions. (3, Insightful)

HaZardman27 (1521119) | about 2 years ago | (#41895557)

MS has been an enemy of linux since the beginning

I'm pretty sure Linux was created to offer a free Unix OS for personal computers. Linux may have been Microsoft's enemy, but I don't think it worked the other way around, even despite MS's funding of SCO and the whole Halloween document leaks ordeal.

Office for Linux would save some headaches (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41894729)

One wonders how many people would switch from Macs to Linux if office was available for Linux. I know there's plenty of opensource folks who would loathe it. From a pragmatic gotta support it attitude (All the business folks use it) , it could mean less Macs.

I know piles of people who run Linux in a VM on Windows 7, or vice-versa and spend 99% of their time in Linux, 'shelling out' to Windows for stuff like Office and corporate windows stuff.

I personally hugely prefer Linux to a Mac. All our prod systems are on Linux or Unix at the company I work at.

if you can't beat 'em... (2)

Type44Q (1233630) | about 2 years ago | (#41894753)

if you can't 'em, join 'em... and sabotage from within.

Microsoft Deliberately Attempts to Ruin Competitor (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41894981)

Microsoft has been doing this for years andconstantly doing this to GNU/Linux and Free/open source software events. They know it gets people turned off and this act ruins the events for people.

I would take the money, but give Microsoft a hall in another hotel nearby

Microsft is DEAD, long live Linux! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41894983)

Microsoft is no threat to Linux's wide spread anymore and they can't stop it. I assume they will speak about some sort of anti-cancer solution they may have come up with.

Just in case anyone doesn't understand (4, Insightful)

Bruce Perens (3872) | about 2 years ago | (#41895023)

Linux Foundation is an organization of really large businesses. They currently pay the salary of Linux Torvalds and a handful of other programmers, but they are first and foremost an organization of really large businesses. Many of the businesses are not particularly friendly to Linux. Most of them don't deserve your trust. A number of them produce proprietary drivers which run in the kernel, against the licensing of Linux itself.

Re:Just in case anyone doesn't understand (2)

Chibi Merrow (226057) | about 2 years ago | (#41895149)

Hey Bruce, nothing but respect, but if "proprietary drivers" loaded into the kernel is the only way I can get my work done, it's kinda hard for me to jump on the "binary blobs are evil!" bandwagon...

Re:Just in case anyone doesn't understand (5, Insightful)

Bruce Perens (3872) | about 2 years ago | (#41895817)

Hi Chibi Merrow,

Why are proprietary drivers the only way you can get your work done? I'm not asking you so much as I am asking you to tell me why it happened to you. It's probably going to be something like company X wouldn't make open drivers. And then tell me if you really think that company X is protecting some precious intellectual property and if they would actually be damaged if it was released as Open Source.

Very often the driver only works on their specific hardware, and there isn't really any chance of financial damage from opening the driver.

Re:Just in case anyone doesn't understand (1)

i.r.id10t (595143) | about 2 years ago | (#41897189)

But then, for some of us, we run Linux and/or use other Open Source software because of cost, stability, feature sets, and the fact that it meets our needs. While the Free part is nice, it is an ideal, and if using a binary blob (that has never caused a system issue for me) on my desktop system so I can play Xonotic, Urban Terror, the original Quake, etc. in 3d with decent frame rates is what is required, I personally don't mind. But then, that is *my* needs/wants/desires, for my machines.

If you use Linux/BSD/Hurd/whatever because of the ideals behind F/OSS then perhaps not being able to do a few of those things or not being able to do them well is an acceptable price for you. I sort of pay that price by not using Windows and not having access to the latest/greatest games - but then, I'm also probably a little more productive without them, and I certainly have a few more dollars in my bank account. Again, my choice - and having choices is what the Freedom is really about.

And yes, I do know who I'm replying to, and I have great appreciation and respect for what Bruce, Linus, RMS, ESR, et al have done for the computing world while working to bring their ideas and ideals to life!

Re:Just in case anyone doesn't understand (1)

HiThere (15173) | about 2 years ago | (#41898691)

From my point of view, "binary blobs in the kernel are evil" is a form of future-proofing. It limits the changes that the kernel developers can make without breaking them. When you don't understand what something is doing, it's hard to manuver around it.

OTOH, I will admit that I also have a sidgeon of ideological bias. But I also have a large lump of practicality. I've had too many systems die under me because of something proprietary that nobody understood or could fix, and which the prior manufacturer was no longer interested in. (Sometimes because he had gone out of business.) So my main reason is future-proofing. I tend to hold onto my systems for up to a decade, with minor improvements. (Added external storage, new display, etc.) I don't like things that can't be fixed without some-particular-body else's participation.

Re:Just in case anyone doesn't understand (1)

Bruce Perens (3872) | about 2 years ago | (#41899269)

I have 3D hardware here too. It has wonderful frame rates and drives a whole lot of monitors from just one card. It runs on the open driver. I was just careful what I bought. Please try that next time.

There will come a day when that binary doesn't run with modern kernels, and the manufacturer has gone on to other things and no longer supports it.

Re:Just in case anyone doesn't understand (1)

i.r.id10t (595143) | about 2 years ago | (#41899317)

Certainly will... but my current vid card (since that is the blob I referenced earlier and you are now) is a 5 year old nvidia card... when it no longer meets my needs, I certainly will be replacing it, and open source-ness of the drivers will take a large part of the accounting... but when I bought it was "do i want it working and a blob, or just basic 2d support and open"...

Re:Just in case anyone doesn't understand (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41898877)

Very often the driver only works on their specific hardware, and there isn't really any chance of financial damage from opening the driver.

Releasing IP that they have copyrights of may not be damaging, even IP licensed from third parties can be negotiated, but it's the IP they infringe that could really bite them. It's better to have your dirty secrets hidden than being in jeopardy. I understand your stance, and it is honorable something the world generally lacks.

They're hiding what they infringe (1)

Bruce Perens (3872) | about 2 years ago | (#41899329)

There are people in the world who like to disassemble proprietary code. Surely the folks who bring patent suits employ some of them.

Re:Just in case anyone doesn't understand (1)

Chibi Merrow (226057) | about 2 years ago | (#41900127)

Well, in my case, it's nVidia.

And from them (and their proxies), the explanations I have generally heard have been:

1) There are things in the code that they do not have sufficient rights to release in an open manner.
2) There are features of the "graphics hardware" implemented in software as part of the driver, and they believe these features give them a competitive advantage which would be lost by opening up the code.
3) There are workarounds for hardware defects in the code, and releasing them would embarrass the company.

I personally think the first reason is the most plausible one. I could see the second one being a possibility, but unlikely based on what I've observed between driver versions and hardware revisions. The third one I find hard to believe.

So, assuming the first one is the reason, it would cost nVidia a significant amount of energy (and probably money) to work out the licensing to release the drivers as open source. What would the benefit be to them in such an undertaking? Based on the results of AMD providing open specs for their chips, it doesn't seem likely they'd see any performance improvements from community contribution to their driver code.

Meanwhile, they provide me a driver that allows me to earn a living. Despite the roadblocks the kernel developers regularly throw in their way.

I'm sorry, but I guess I'm just driven by pragmatism when it comes to my paycheck. For the libraries we depend on in our software, I (successfully) pushed for solutions that provided the source (either by LGPL, or a source license) because having the source for them was most beneficial.

Meanwhile, there are two video card manufacturers with open source drivers I can think of off of the top of my head (Intel and AMD), and neither of them provide a solution that would allow us to do our work.

Re:Just in case anyone doesn't understand (1)

Bruce Perens (3872) | about 2 years ago | (#41901061)

Hm. I worked for 19 years in film, 12 of them at Pixar. I am aware that Intel graphics are not a high-performance solution at this time. What is ATI lacking today in cards that run properly with open drivers?

Thanks

Bruce

Re:Just in case anyone doesn't understand (1)

Belial6 (794905) | about 2 years ago | (#41899207)

Something being evil, and the only way to get your work done are not mutually exclusive.

Re:Just in case anyone doesn't understand (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41895733)

I'm shocked that you didn't know that Microsoft is the 17th largest contributor to the Linux kernel [linuxfoundation.org] . I avoid Linux like the plague (FreeBSD on the laptop, OpenBSD everywhere else) and I knew that.

Re:Just in case anyone doesn't understand (1)

UnknownSoldier (67820) | about 2 years ago | (#41896561)

So you are running another (open-source) OS because of politics?

Care to explain your logic please?

Note: I have a soft spot for OpenBSD as well, but use Linux, OSX, and Windows as necessary.

Re:Just in case anyone doesn't understand (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41897561)

Who is "Linux Torvalds" I know of a Linus, but I didn't know he had a brother.

Re:Just in case anyone doesn't understand (1)

Bruce Perens (3872) | about 2 years ago | (#41901157)

Who is "Linux Torvalds" I know of a Linus, but I didn't know he had a brother.

It was a typo. But you know, it fits. Maybe we should all call him that.

Ask MS Sucessful partners first! (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41895039)

I can see it now... a bright future for linux, walking side by side with MS.

Just ask Nokia how they became what they are now

Awesome (2)

jones_supa (887896) | about 2 years ago | (#41895113)

Imagine all the suckers who live in an alternate universe where they joke "imagine a bizarre messed up alternate reality where Duke Nukem Forever is released, Microsoft would actually sponsor a Linux event, and so on".

Will there be a dance video? (1)

DrJimbo (594231) | about 2 years ago | (#41895139)

link [geekwire.com]

The Fox (2)

QuietLagoon (813062) | about 2 years ago | (#41895239)

The fox is now in the chicken coop.

Oblig... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41895783)

It's A Trap!

For those a bit slow on the uptake (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41895811)

"So you want to love those conferences to death. I’ve killed at least two Mac conferences. First there was the Mac App Developers Conference. I was on the Board of Directors of the Mac App Developers Association long ago, and after I left I worked to try to turn it into a cross-platform developers conference, and I did. I managed to make it.. their last conference was very cross-platforn, both Windows and Macintosh, which of course turned off their Macintosh audience; half of the conference was irrelevant to them. They didn’t care about Windows. They were a bunch of Mac guys. Which diluted the value of the conference. And they didn’t know how to advertise the Windows guys when the Windows guys showe dup. So they lost money that year and the group folded. Oh, well. One less channel of communication that Apple can use to reach its developers.

The other conference was called the Technology and Issues Conference. it had been going on for, like, ten years. It was an independent conference. it was by invitation only. They invited VPs and above at all the major Mac software companies. And they always held it in, like, Yosemite or Vienna or Hawaii. It was a big junket thing. And it was alwaysthey held the conference the last few days of the week before Fourth of July weekend, right, so it was just a junket trip. But Apple always hated this conference because, you know, all of their ISVs got together and received a message that they didn’t control as much as they would have liked. Well, I sponsored a dinner and I broughtbecause once you sponsor a dinner, right, you get to talk to them during dinner. You get to do a dinner presentation, OK, once the clatter of knives dies down. And we were there being so helpful. Apple was still nickel and diming its developers to death. And so we’re there handing out free software developers’ kits to everybody there, and free copies of the Explorer PD and other things like that for their kids, because, you know, they’d bring their wives and families along with us, and so we’d give them free games and stuff. And then I gave them this big presentation over dinner and so on. So it seemed like Microsoft dominated the conference. Well, Apple got so pissed off at this that they threatened the guy that ran the conference that they were never going to send anybody again, that they were going to schedule conferences that directly opposed it so that the VPs couldn’t go to his conference, they could only go to Apple’s conference and so forth. So by injecting Microsoft content into the conference, the conference got shut down. The guy who ran it said, why am I doing this? I’m losing money on it every year anyway. Screw Apple, they don’t need my help. And so the conference died, so that’s two. I’m working on two other Mac conferences now."

~ James Plamondon, Microsoft Technology Evangelist

Don't be so surprised... (1)

mschaffer (97223) | about 2 years ago | (#41895813)

Don't be so surprised. Microsoft has done more for open source than Apple ever has.

Re:Don't be so surprised... (1)

imikem (767509) | about 2 years ago | (#41896287)

And they've done more TO open source than Apple ever has. What's your point?

Re:Don't be so surprised... (1)

mschaffer (97223) | about 2 years ago | (#41900041)

Really? Like what?

great! (0)

Cyko_01 (1092499) | about 2 years ago | (#41896127)

I can't wait to see them booed off stage

Finally! (2)

jameshofo (1454841) | about 2 years ago | (#41896253)

They're porting surface to Linux w00t, it'll probably be on Ubuntu first though shux ;-)

Microsoft is a Gold Sponsor for Everything (1)

beerdragoon (1142579) | about 2 years ago | (#41896349)

I don't even think Microsoft looks at the events they sponsor. I can't tell you how many tech events I've been to where Microsoft was listed as a "Gold" sponsor. The last few were small ones in a 100 person conference room and nobody from Microsoft was even there. They just paid the x number of dollars to get their name listed as a sponsor for the event. What is $20,000 to a company that charges $30,000 [microsoftstore.com] for a single-processor edition of SQL Server 2008 Enterprise?

Wait a minute! (1)

PPH (736903) | about 2 years ago | (#41896805)

There's no exit door on the Microsoft tent!

Seen this before... (1)

TemporalBeing (803363) | about 2 years ago | (#41897445)

Microsoft sponsored POSSCON [posscon.org] and had a keynote speaker. The organizers were a bit embarrassed by how the crowd (and even other speakers) treated him (and Microsoft) given how much money Microsoft had provided - even providing a very nice lunch. They didn't sponsor the following year, for which we were thankful.

Now the keynote speaker himself should have been quite embarassed too as he kept on talking about how Microsoft was all about standards and helping people, etc; how they're integrated open source, and more. Only, he was new to Microsoft (only hired in a fews prior, IIRC) and seemed to have been only shown as much of Microsoft as needed to make the statements he was making - or reiterating points from someone else. His presentation was pretty much a joke.

While POSSCON doesn't get a bigger crowed like the other conferences do, or even a lot of the bigger names (outside of their speakers); I would expect that the other conferences would likely treat Microsoft the same (for better or for worse) just because of their reputation within the community. The community (as seen here on Slashdot too) is very cynacle of Microsoft, and for good reason.

Re:Seen this before... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41897959)

cynical.

The cynicism was completely warranted a decade-plus-change ago. It isn't >>as much anymore. Just because a group of people put forth something as truth and agree among themselves that it is, isn't proof or truth. At worst, it's a bunch of like-minded haters agreeing on something (shocking concept). At best, it's people speaking more out of emotion than logic. While most Nerds are certainly incapable of change, not all nerds are that way. I prefer to keep an open mind at all times.

Re:Seen this before... (0)

HiThere (15173) | about 2 years ago | (#41898857)

It is still warranted. They haven't done ANYTHING positive that comes even close to approaching the negative things they have done in the past. The first that comes to mind is the way they stacked the committees on the Word processor format standard. And got a totally unusable standard mandated. Even though it includes microsoft proprietary features, even Microsoft hasn't managed (or chosed?) to implement it. (I'm not counting partial implementations. Anyone can do those. Even an ASCII text file would count as a partial implementation.)

I guess, if they don't do anything vile for a decade, I might sort of trust them even if they don't start doing positive things. I give that a 0.00,000,000,000,001% chance. At most.

Re:Seen this before... (1)

PuZZleDucK (2478702) | about 2 years ago | (#41901033)

I guess, if they don't do anything vile for a decade, I might sort of trust them even if they don't start doing positive things. I give that a 0.00,000,000,000,001% chance. At most.

You don't count UEFI or should i reset the clock?

Why wouldn't they? (1)

onceuponatime (821046) | about 2 years ago | (#41898303)

Linux is embedded in a great many products in the world and Microsoft collects a lot of money in license fees from those installations. A lot more than 20,000 I'd say.

Take the money (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41900433)

leave the rest

Microsoft has no morals and will stop at nothing to subvert everything to their profit motives. They should not be trusted.

Microsoft unmanned booth (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 2 years ago | (#41901045)

I'm at (E)LCE right now and all I can say is that there is a microsoft booth here..... for the past couple of days noone has been standing at it. Obviously they didn't find it useful to pay for someone to present Microsoft offering here............ I'm not impressed.

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