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HP Becomes a Platinum Member of the Linux Foundation

samzenpus posted more than 2 years ago | from the money-buys-everything dept.

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who_stole_my_kidneys writes in about how HP has gained a seat on the Linux Foundation's board of directors. "Snagging a first-class upgrade might empty out the contents of your wallet, but be glad you're not trying to buy your way to the Linux Foundation's top table. With a strategic investment of $500,000, Hewlett Packard has just become a platinum member of the body, alongside companies like Intel, Qualcomm and Samsung. In exchange for all that cash, HP gets a seat on the Foundation's board of directors and will have a say in how to advance the foundation's aims — and hopefully give Open webOS a gentle push, too."

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$500,000 (3, Insightful)

neminem (561346) | more than 2 years ago | (#41886363)

According to wikipedia, in 2011 HP was worth about 130 billion dollars. They probably spend 500k on [i]toilet paper[/i] in a year.

Re:$500,000 (0)

neminem (561346) | more than 2 years ago | (#41886383)

Durp, wasted what turns out to have been a first post, on failing to remember that slashdot doesn't use bbcode in time. Awesome.

Re:$500,000 (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 2 years ago | (#41886411)

I think HP gives Ballmer a left-testicle just to have drivers packaged with Windows.

Re:$500,000 (1)

craigminah (1885846) | more than 2 years ago | (#41887951)

In a related story, Chuck Norris challenged Mr. Ballmer to a Who Has More Testicles Contest. Chuck won by five.

Re:$500,000 (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41888637)

Chuck Norris has five testicles?!?!

Re:$500,000 (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41888951)

No, it's just that Ballmer has negative 3 testicles.

Re:$500,000 (1)

craigminah (1885846) | more than 2 years ago | (#41896213)

No, Chuck Norris has five more testicles which would mean he has seven total, assuming Steve Ballmer has two.

Re:$500,000 (1)

aztracker1 (702135) | more than 2 years ago | (#41889663)

IIRC, HP Pays MS to develop the core drivers for a lot of their products.. HP does the value add stuff like worthless image editors that are worse than picasa or paint.net.

Re:$500,000 (1)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | more than 2 years ago | (#41886953)

That would be <em>toilet paper</em> anyway.

Re:$500,000 (2)

starsky51 (959750) | more than 2 years ago | (#41886405)

iToiletPaper? They have an app for everything now-a-days!

Re:$500,000 (5, Funny)

Githaron (2462596) | more than 2 years ago | (#41886685)

Remind me never to borrow your phone.

Re:$500,000 (1)

TeknoHog (164938) | more than 2 years ago | (#41892549)

There's a crapp for that!

Re:$500,000 (1)

guttentag (313541) | more than 2 years ago | (#41886431)

They probably spend 500k on toilet paper in a year.

<SARCASM>Or three or four really good developers who they treat like toilet paper. But, again, that's nothing. They probably flush thousands [latimes.com] of developers every year!</SARCASM>

Re:$500,000 (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 2 years ago | (#41886621)

I don't see how $500K can even be that much to the Linux foundation. That's not enough to pay 5 good developers for a year.

Re:$500,000 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41886793)

The Linux Foundation [wikipedia.org] is just some foundation. They don't actually write anything.

Re:$500,000 (3, Informative)

Hatta (162192) | more than 2 years ago | (#41886949)

From your wiki link:

In order for Linux creator Linus Torvalds and other key kernel developers to remain independent, the Linux Foundation sponsors them so they can work full-time on improving Linux.

Re:$500,000 (1)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | more than 2 years ago | (#41886927)

That's not enough to pay 5 good developers for a year.

Depends where they live. $100K in the USA might not be much but for someone else, say in India, it's another story.

Re:$500,000 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41886951)

That's enough for about 7 NZ developers [payscale.com] .

Using Google to say $500k USD is $600k NZD and NZD $80k for a Software Engineer in New Zealand.

Re:$500,000 (3, Funny)

fph il quozientatore (971015) | more than 2 years ago | (#41887009)

Using Google to say $500k USD is $600k NZD and NZD $80k for a Software Engineer in New Zealand.

I tried googling for "500k USD into New Zealand programmers", but that doesn't make the conversion. Well, I'll try with Wolfram Alpha.

Re:$500,000 (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 2 years ago | (#41887217)

Usually you have to budget 2x salary for the total cost of an employee.

Re:$500,000 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41888681)

Are they giving those employees health insurance? Work space and equipment? Are they paying their half of the social security tax?

Re:$500,000 (1)

flimflammer (956759) | more than 2 years ago | (#41888007)

Regardless of what they make, that doesn't make their contribution any less of a good thing. I'm not implying that's what you're saying but I see that kind of logic a lot here. "X makes Y billions -- it doesn't count if they don't donate Z billions!"

Re:$500,000 (1)

neminem (561346) | more than 2 years ago | (#41888051)

No, I'm just saying it's not really big news. Still good of them, and I'm sure from the perspective of the Linux Foundation it's great money, I'm just saying from the perspective of HP, it'd be like me donating some change that fell out of my pocket.

Half Million? (3, Funny)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 2 years ago | (#41886379)

I don't think that meets the HP bar for a rounding-error.

Re:Half Million? (1)

Qwavel (733416) | more than 2 years ago | (#41886759)

Just because it isn't very much isn't really a good reason to barf on them.

This announcement is actually a good thing and HP should get some credit for it.

Perhaps the Linux Foundation should double the cost of becoming a Platinum member, but that's a separate discussion.

Re:Half Million? (1)

fatphil (181876) | more than 2 years ago | (#41888597)

> Just because it isn't very much isn't really a good reason to barf on them.

Indeed. The fact they killed the Alpha architecture is the reason to barf on them. That, and about a dozen other reasons (which from my perspective, as an alpha owner, are less important).

Re:Half Million? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41891697)

The fact they killed the Alpha architecture is the reason to barf on them.

I used to say the same thing, but it turns out that Compaq had swung the axe on Alpha long before they merged with HP.

HP killed PA-RISC, and it shall not be mourned.

Only 1/2m?? (2)

slartibartfastatp (613727) | more than 2 years ago | (#41886385)

It's practically nothing for HP! Just guess how much to have a voice on other OSs.

Re:Only 1/2m?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41886425)

Maybe, but the LF has practically no influence over Linux developers anyway.

WebOS, Itanic (1)

unixisc (2429386) | more than 2 years ago | (#41890731)

HP looks like it would have only 2 reasons to muck around w/ Linux - WebOS and Itanium. Since WebOS has been cut loose & opened, HP has no stakes in its future, particularly if it's going w/ Windows 8 on a Medfield or Hondo.

HP's only other reason would be the Itanic, which it refuses to abandon, even though Intel, for all intents & purposes, effectively has. Right now, only Debian actively supports the platform on the Linux side, while FBSD and NBSD do so on the BSD side. So if being a member of the foundation enables HP to salvage what it can for Linux/Itanium, that would be the only justification.

Re:WebOS, Itanic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41895789)

Riiight.. because HP sells NO servers / blades / storage which run/interface with Linux OS's and need to work well on them.

None at all!

Re:WebOS, Itanic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41897403)

Indeed. Linux support on HP hardware is excellent, and even Debian is considered a first class fully supported OS on most ProLiant hardware. There's also a decent sized public Cloud built on Linux & OpenStack.

Disclaimer: I work for HP.

Re:WebOS, Itanic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41898299)

...which would already work on HP by virtue of being x86/x64 compatible. It's with Itanium that they run into problems.

Sounds Like I Should Start A Linux Foundation Too (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41886453)

My Linux Foundation will be focused on choosing various standards that future Linux stuff will conform to. To compete better against that other fake Linux Foundation, I'll charge only $450,000 to join.

Re:Sounds Like I Should Start A Linux Foundation T (3)

master5o1 (1068594) | more than 2 years ago | (#41887107)

With blackjack and hookers...

Kickstarter (1)

future assassin (639396) | more than 2 years ago | (#41886629)

Lets get donating. Can we get 50% of Slashdot folk on the foundation one at a time.

Re:Kickstarter (1)

yurivict (2232802) | more than 2 years ago | (#41886725)

So that they can be entertaining LF folks with their "Suck my ass" comments.

Re:Kickstarter (1)

jovius (974690) | more than 2 years ago | (#41886843)

The Individual Member Representative Bdale Garbee (Board Members [linuxfoundation.org] ) holds a "level 3" high power rocketry certification, the highest in the rocketry hobby. HP will get a bigger rocket and wins if we don't act quickly :(

HP? Really? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41886729)

Given the "quality" of their computers and their printers, this makes me glad I stuck with BSD.

The Linux Foundation must be a bunch of money grubbing whores to accept money from HP.

Re:HP? Really? (0)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 2 years ago | (#41891871)

Quietthey are a member we are now suppose to like them.
Perhaps in GPL 4, we will blindly accept loopholes that favor HP. Just like how GPL 3 did for IBM

What does the Linux Foundation do? (2)

swillden (191260) | more than 2 years ago | (#41886783)

AFAICT, Linux developers don't follow any agenda but their own -- each individual does whatever he or she wants (or is told to do by his or her employer), Linus' lieutenants accept any patches that seem both safe and useful, and Linus integrates whatever he gets from his lieutenants that seems safe and useful.

And none of them appear to pay any attention to anything the "Linux Foundation" says. So what does joining this body give HP, other than an opportunity to make some press releases?

Re:What does the Linux Foundation do? (4, Informative)

Microlith (54737) | more than 2 years ago | (#41887257)

Many of the core kernel developers, including Linus himself, are employees of the Linux Foundation. Additionally, Kernel.org is supported by the Linux Foundation. The foundation spends quite a bit of time managing various and sundry summits which serve to bring the disparate kernel developers together.

They function both as a bit of infrastructure support as well as a promotional arm, though almost exclusively with respect to the kernel. They get real hype on Android because it gets the kernel out there, but rarely utter a word about standard Linux distros.

Re:What does the Linux Foundation do? (1)

swillden (191260) | more than 2 years ago | (#41889443)

Many of the core kernel developers, including Linus himself, are employees of the Linux Foundation.

Yes but do they actually tell him what to do? And does he listen?

Re:What does the Linux Foundation do? (4, Informative)

mounthood (993037) | more than 2 years ago | (#41887363)

http://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/join/corporate [linuxfoundation.org]

Besides ensuring that your company’s investment in Linux is protected from a legal, technical and promotional perspective, there are many other benefits in joining the Linux Foundation as a Corporate Member.

The Benefits of Linux Foundation Membership

        The ability to participate in Linux Foundation member-only activities like the Linux Foundation Collaboration Summit and Legal Summit to learn, influence and participate with the Linux Foundation workgroups
        The right to vote and run for Linux Foundation board seats and influence the direction of the organization
        Unsurpassed networking opportunities and a unique introductions service. Meet other Linux Foundation members and Linux users in small settings or get introduced to companies in a one-on-one fashion by Linux Foundation staff>
        Access to the Linux Foundation media network, including Linux.com. The Linux Foundation reaches 2 million users and developers a month through its online channels and newsletters and promotes members directly to these audiences
        Discounts on Linux training
        The right to participate in Linux Foundation member councils such as the Vendor and End User Councils and collaborate directly with the technical leaders of Linux
        Discounts for sponsoring LinuxCon, Linux Japan Symposium, The Linux Foundation Collaboration Summit and other Linux Foundation events. Members get priority at these events
        Logo listing on the Linux Foundation site and the ability to add a member logo to your site or marketing materials
        Exclusive member content, such as the Briefing Book, and one-on-one analyst briefings (depending on membership level) that keeps you up to date on the Linux market to make the most of your investment in Linux
        The ability to create workgroups and collaborate in a neutral setting to solve pressing Linux or open source issues
        Guidance on open source issues and using Linux in your products

Re:What does the Linux Foundation do? (1)

swillden (191260) | more than 2 years ago | (#41889489)

And... after reading all of that, I find myself with my question fundamentally unanswered :-)

It seems that the benefit of being a member of the Foundation is the opportunity to be known as a member of the Foundation, and to hobnob with other members.

HP is dying (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41886797)

My $.02 thinks within 10 years, HP will be dead.

Re:HP is dying (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41887111)

As someone who actually works for HP, i say bullshit.

This place will have burned itself to the ground far quicker than 10 years -.-

The three 'E's. (1)

Rod Beauvex (832040) | more than 2 years ago | (#41886891)

First they embraced Linux, now they've extended $500,000 towards it, gaining a seat on a Linux council. What was that third E again?

Re:The three 'E's. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41887221)

Ejaculate.

Re:The three 'E's. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41888483)

Profit. Step 3 is always Profit.

Re:The three 'E's. (1)

chmod a+x mojo (965286) | more than 2 years ago | (#41889055)

Good god no man, step 4 is profit! Silly AC you can't have step 4 ( profit ) without step 3's "???????"

Seriously? This is the quality of ACs on slashdot these days.... Next he's going to say he doesn't know the 4 letter acronym that the slashtrolls love so much...

Re:The three 'E's. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41890983)

Good god no man,...

Why did I hear "Ricky" from Storage Wars - Texas as I read the preceding comment opening. ;)

Will WebOS become a true alternative? (3, Interesting)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | more than 2 years ago | (#41886901)

Between a closed iOS controlled by Apple and a seemingly non-heterogeneous and sometimes controlled by the carriers Android OS, is WebOS the only valid alternative?

Can HP succeed where RIM failed? I'd like to see iOS, Android and WebOS each get around 30-35% userbase, in order to keep each other from taking over. The last thing we need is another OS with 90%+ userbase, no matter which one it is.

Re:Will WebOS become a true alternative? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41888903)

How is this modded 'troll'?

Re:Will WebOS become a true alternative? (1)

ArcadeMan (2766669) | more than 2 years ago | (#41889947)

Probably Android fanboys who want everyone to run Android... Younger people who never lived the Microsoft monopoly decades.

Re:Will WebOS become a true alternative? (1)

aztracker1 (702135) | more than 2 years ago | (#41889713)

I actually really like webos.. I think a few minor issues with the browser being updated could have taken it a long way... I gave up on it when I heard the open webos wouldn't include support for the touchpads... shame, it was decent hardware... all running android now.

Extra "Features" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41886925)

Linux: Now with Super Sweet Extra Junkware. Brought to your by HP Partners.

Time for a Firing (2)

TechyImmigrant (175943) | more than 2 years ago | (#41887293)

If HP are in charge, it must be time to fire 20% of the Linux Foundation workforce.

Re:Time for a Firing (2)

TechyImmigrant (175943) | more than 2 years ago | (#41887299)

Or sell off the 'kernel development' part of the operation, and call it 'Flagilent'

Even better (2)

dutchwhizzman (817898) | more than 2 years ago | (#41887527)

Even better, once it fails altogether, they will give it to the community in an Open Source Project!

Might this be about Windows 8? (3, Interesting)

DougReed (102865) | more than 2 years ago | (#41889881)

It occurs to me that HP has seen Windows 8... Has seen consumer reaction to it. Has seen M$ trying to build their own hardware, and has seen the success of Android and iPad.

Basically M$ had the world by the balls because of the Windows infrastructure. Now they are:
o Building an OS that is fundamentally incompatible with that infrastructure.
o Screwing their business partners by building their own hardware.

HP (and everyone with a clue) knows M$ ALWAYS screws up everything they touch. (We have already seen this ... Apps already disappearing on the new surface. The OS taking most of the system resources.) .. and maybe .. just maybe has figured they better look for a better future. Maybe we just might see HP and maybe someone like Ubuntu partner to produce a reasonable alternative to Windows 8. I mean given the availability of Chrome, Skype, and Libre' Office. Ubuntu might be as compatible with Windows as Windows 8 is... If the users and businesses REALLY HATE the horribly ugly and dysfunctional Windows 8 systems... Maybe HP can say ... here buy this instead and it MIGHT just catch this time.

Of course... I don't much like the "new" (can something two years old still be called new?) Ubuntu desktop either, but I think it beats Windows 8.

Re:Might this be about Windows 8? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41891239)

HP could do beter in the battle against Microsoft by reviving HP Open Mail. They dropped development years ago because ms would drop them from the oem programm. Now, after Samsung and xandros had a go at it it is not being. Developed anymore. Shame.

HP collecting data on what you print (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41891727)

HP collects data from the chips in your ink cartridges. They collect time and ink usage. If you collect enough fine detail as to the times and ink usage, you can recreate documents, dot by dot. I've long been suspicious of this data collection. They say you can turn it off with some printers, but who knows what they're really doing.

Not to mention that they've voluntarily added secret codes to printouts to track counterfeiting. Another secret thing our printers are doing.

Here comes one more fish.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 2 years ago | (#41894375)

apparently I din't sold my HP Presario laptop for nothing..
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