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Ubuntu 10.10 Beta Released

Soulskill posted more than 4 years ago | from the still-a-maverick dept.

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RandyDownes sends word that Canonical has released the beta version of Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat). The release announcement boasts faster boot times, GNOME 2.31, and a speedier version of Evolution. In addition, "The Ubuntu Software Center has an updated look and feel, including the new 'Featured' and 'What's New' views for showcasing applications, and an improved package description view. You can now easily access your package installation history too." The release notes and download page are both available.

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Ubunu 1 music store vs Apple music store. (-1, Offtopic)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 4 years ago | (#33474898)

I predict a total wipe-out. After all, if you use iTunes, you can get a free iPhone, or a free iPad - at least that's what they're saying.

Re:Ubunu 1 music store vs Apple music store. (0, Offtopic)

eli0001 (1487769) | more than 4 years ago | (#33474966)

The same people saying "Free Iphone" want to send you money from Nigeria, too.

So where's the "close" button this time? (5, Funny)

Compaqt (1758360) | more than 4 years ago | (#33474964)

Bottom middle?

Re:So where's the "close" button this time? (1)

pyrosine (1787666) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475066)

Top left again

Re:So where's the "close" button this time? (1)

multisync (218450) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475126)

Easily fixed in gconf-editor though.

Re:So where's the "close" button this time? (-1, Flamebait)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475218)

And how do you fix it just using a mouse?

Re:So where's the "close" button this time? (3, Informative)

fbjon (692006) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475238)

Choose a different theme.

Re:So where's the "close" button this time? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33475328)

What do you care? You have already posted before that you will never try Linux again and plan on sticking with Windows... Which is fine, but there is NO need for you to be asking that question.

Re:So where's the "close" button this time? (1, Informative)

Beelzebud (1361137) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475696)

In Preferences, choose a theme with the buttons on the left, then choose Customize, and select which Controls, and Window Border you want. Problem solved.

No need to use gconf-editor at all.

Re:So where's the "close" button this time? (1)

multisync (218450) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475842)

And how do you fix it just using a mouse?

I'm usually looking for a "keyboard only" solution, like this [junauza.com] 's one:

gconftool-2 --set /apps/metacity/general/button_layout --type string menu:minimize,maximize,close

But I suppose you could click at the beginning of the above, hold and drag your mouse to the end, right click the block of selected text, select "copy," click Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal, right click next to the flashing prompt, select "paste" ... hmmmm ... okay, anyone know how to get the "Run" command in Gnome with a mouse click instead of Alt-F2 so this guy can click "OK" insteak of pressing his Enter key?

I'll pass again... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33475384)

I'll pass again this time around... glad they don't make cars, they'd be swapping the gas pedal and brake. Maybe reverse the steering.

Re:So where's the "close" button this time? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33475232)

So basically you think the entire beta distro is pretty much perfect, except the worse problem you can find with it is a single user changable setting doesn't default to your preference?

That really is amazing!

Re:So where's the "close" button this time? (4, Funny)

ferd_farkle (208662) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475382)

Last week, somebody handed me a paper to read, but the damned thing is upside-down. I'm still trying to figure it out.

Re:So where's the "close" button this time? (4, Interesting)

TheLink (130905) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475768)

Defaults are important if you are going to roll something out to thousands of desktops.

It has to be decent or half decent at least, so you don't get so many calls.
It has to be consistent too, so that you don't so many calls and so that when you get the calls you don't waste extra time trying to figure out where the fuck is the close button is.

That's why many large corporations aren't rolling out Windows 7 over night, and they even upgrade Windows 7 machines to XP when they buy them. Windows 7 changed many things for little gain (Vista doesn't even exist as far as many corps are concerned ;) ). The rest are doing it by attrition (only as new machines come in).

So the fact that "Desktop Linux" can't even get simple stuff like this right isn't going to help acceptance at all. Think long and hard about where you want to put your menus, close buttons, cancel and OK, and then STICK TO IT. Stop fucking around with it.

Unless of course you have a powerful reality distortion field like Steve Jobs.

p.s. Those stupid wobbly windows and zillions of themes aren't worth anything when it comes to productivity. Making it easy for users to change themes just makes it hard for Support to help them over the phone if they pick something really different.

Re:So where's the "close" button this time? (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475420)

Top right, on my 10.4 desktop. Crap - you can edit any settings on a Linux desktop. Nothing is cast in stone - not even the kernel! (Of course, I think NTKRNL should have been cast into the sea, along with Bill Gates, but that is a bit irrelevant.)

Disappointing (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33475688)

Maverick Meerkat

They should have gone with Masturbating Monkey.

Re:Disappointing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33475780)

We geeks may not be very good at marketing, but even we know that code name wouldn't go over well with our families and co-workers.

Re:So where's the "close" button this time? (1)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475866)

No, They realized in the rush to be more Mac like, they got the button wrong, so now sometimes it closes the applicaions and sometimes it just closes the window and leaves the application running windowless in the task bar. is now in a context sensitive menu on a monitor that may or may not be the monitor running your application.

10.10? (1)

camperdave (969942) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475016)

I thought the 10 stood for the release year, and the .10 for the release month. This is only 10.09, so what gives?

Re:10.10? (5, Informative)

Lawand (1345185) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475034)

This is a beta version. The final release is scheduled for October (10.10)

Re:10.10? (1)

mangu (126918) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475184)

The final release is scheduled for October (10.10)

If only they could get it out by October 10... But no such luck, I guess it will only come out at Halloween, as usual.

Re:10.10? (1)

IB4Student (1885914) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475214)

Nah, it'll come out on the 29th.

Re:10.10? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33475358)

No, it will come out on the 10th, this has already been announced. (Ubuntu 10.10 released 10/10/10).

Re:10.10? (1)

gamefreak1450 (887066) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475404)

According to the Ubuntu Wiki, they're planning to do this. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseSchedule [ubuntu.com] Of course, we'll see how things actually turn out... but a 10.10.10 launch would be cool.

Re:10.10? (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475204)

I only upgraded to Lightweight Ubuntu (lubuntu) 10.0 a few days ago.

Man Ubuntu's cycle runs fast if they are already releasing another version. Is there any particular advantage to having a new OS every half-year (versus Apple's two year cycle or Microsoft's 3-4 year cycle)?
.

Re:10.10? (1)

jimicus (737525) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475236)

Well, if you want a Linux distribution with a long release cycle, use Debian. But by the time your version is getting to the end of its cycle, it's going to start looking pretty aged.

Probably not a problem for a server, but for a desktop (where the state of the Linux desktop is still very much in flux) it makes some sense.

Re:10.10? (3, Informative)

timeOday (582209) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475240)

Is there any particular advantage to having a new OS every half-year (versus Apple's two year cycle or Microsoft's 3-4 year cycle)?

Microsoft isn't on any cycle. They are lost in the woods.

If you're like me and don't like the risk of upgrading all the time, pick a LTS ("Long Term Support") release, and stick with it for the next 3 years. Lucky for you, it sounds like you installed 10.04 which is an LTS release.

Release early, release often. (3, Insightful)

khasim (1285) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475266)

Is there any particular advantage to having a new OS every half-year (versus Apple's two year cycle or Microsoft's 3-4 year cycle)?

It allows (in theory) for the faster development of the system. The new code goes through a short testing cycle and gets out into the public twice a year.

No matter how much effort you put into testing, it always seems like the majority of the bugs are only found once it is released.

Re:10.10? (2, Informative)

camperdave (969942) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475282)

Is there any particular advantage to having a new OS every half-year (versus Apple's two year cycle or Microsoft's 3-4 year cycle)?

Well, it fits into the "Release early. Release Often." philosophy that made linux what it is today. Apart from that, one advantage is that all of the hard core folk can install it and give it a good thrashing over. All of the major hardware work-arounds will have been sorted out, major weaknesses will be eliminated, etc. A year from now, you'll have a good yea-or-nay feel for whether it is worth it to upgrade to that release.

Re:10.10? (0)

i.r.id10t (595143) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475332)

In addition to what has been said in your other replies, Ubuntu is based on Debian (testing specifically). So what they are really doing is speeding up Debian releases by taking whatever -testing has and fixing it up and polishing it for the next 6 months.

Of course, since -testing just got frozen, it will be interesting to see the differences between Ubuntu 10.10 and Squeeze when it is released as the stable edition.

Re:10.10? (1)

rubycodez (864176) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475692)

if that's too fast just follow the lubuntu LTS releases, every two years is much more relaxed

Re:10.10? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33475790)

except that after 6 months the backports just seem to get abandoned.

I had to setup my own repo just to support my supposedly LTS server installs of hardy.

Re:10.10? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33475748)

Is there any particular advantage to having a new OS every half-year (versus Apple's two year cycle or Microsoft's 3-4 year cycle)?

Apples and oranges. OS X and Microsoft Windows are barebones platforms that are useless until you install separately-purchased application software. Ubuntu is a complete computing environment that includes all the applications you are likely to need.

You may not need a major upgrade to the underlying platform every 6 months, but you don't really want to be waiting 2 years for new versions of your applications, do you?

Re:10.10? (1)

airfoobar (1853132) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475054)

It's still a beta.

Re:10.10? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33475070)

I thought the 10 stood for the release year, and the .10 for the release month. This is only 10.09, so what gives?

It is the beta, the final release is targeted for next month.

Solarization (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33475022)

i've become the nuclear image of eternity i'm the original stuff. all the
universes find their pattern in my being. for i'm the cosmic infinitesmal.
i'm the source. i'm the fountain. exploding in your face. (with a flick of
my wrist a new cosmos begins.) how glorious to be alive. be here with me now
in timeless micro-infinity.

reality now an oceanic flow of particles in everchanging patterns. panta
rei. undulating within the ultimate core of self. which is no-self. inside
this boundless thought wave. all is one and one is god. (truth is one. sui
generis)

everything is coming in waves and from all sides. nuclear. molecular and
cellular layers. modular wave-hierarchies. epi-phenomenon of the
ground-of-being of all other grounds-of-being. in a fractual involution. the
reversal of evolution. becoming is absolute. time is dying a slow death. the
eschaton is near. i'm into an ideational singularity: propelling towards the
neuro-galatic center, the transcendental nexus of self and world. a cosmic
junction where on a physical level: matter and anti-matter merge into each
other. into emptiness and on a psychic level god and self are inextricably
intertwined.

Yes? (1)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475024)

Now with less Mark Shuttleworth.

I wonder it's going to affect this and future Ubuntu releases?

Re:Yes? (1)

Fri13 (963421) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475212)

Bit a bit. Mark was the leader of the Canonical. But not a leader of the Linux desktops or OSS. Not even how much Ubuntu fans would think so. The upstream works and innovated without Mark. It is same thing as you would drop off from using Ubuntu. No one notices it. But Canonical would notice it.

Re:Yes? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33475322)

hopefully less fapping to Apple, more innovation.

Linux has Lost (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33475028)

Linux market share is lower than ever! [netmarketshare.com]

By 12.10 it will be Quitting Quail, as Linux users install Windows 8 in droves.

Ha ha ha the Troll is True. [tygger.net]

Re:Linux has Lost (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33475108)

http://lioness.tygger.net/pics/me.gif [tygger.net]

Is that you?

The troll has a face...
Ill just tell 4chan that you've been throwing cats in trash bins.

Nobody cares? (1)

howardd21 (1001567) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475030)

Either nobody cares, or it must be a slow Slashdot day, this has been posted for 25 minutes and no comments?

Re:Nobody cares? (1)

IB4Student (1885914) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475072)

I care. I have already had the beta for awhile though.

Re:Nobody cares? (5, Funny)

airfoobar (1853132) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475082)

It's Saturday evening... maybe linux users have lives? ;)

Re:Nobody cares? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33475116)

It's Saturday evening...

Actually, it's Saturday morning.

Re:Nobody cares? (1)

airfoobar (1853132) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475158)

Not if you are in Europe.

Whooosh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33475310)

Can you hear the sound of that "whooosh" over in Europe?

Re:Nobody cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33475698)

I'm sorry to hear that Linux users in Europe have no lives.

Re:Nobody cares? (1)

dmbasso (1052166) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475734)

iie, sunday moruningu desuyo~

Re:Nobody cares? (4, Informative)

Compholio (770966) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475090)

Either nobody cares, or it must be a slow Slashdot day, this has been posted for 25 minutes and no comments?

It's a beta release and we're all happy with the LTS release right now?

Re:Nobody cares? (0, Offtopic)

Kilrah_il (1692978) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475146)

It's just that this site is "News for nerd, Stuff that matters", and instead we get this... this... I don't know how to call it, but "News for nerds" it ain't. That's it, boycott non-nerd stories!!!

Re:Nobody cares? (-1, Troll)

Fri13 (963421) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475220)

Ubuntu sparkling has vanished. First Windows users heard about Ubuntu first when they were testing other OS's than just what Microsoft offered and the best choise was Linux as it was free (speech and beer) and they found Ubuntu first when they searched distributions.

Then they started to keep noise in Internet about how awesome "OS" the Ubuntu was. Media got attention and soon Ubuntu was the only one what was "special".

Now most people should know that Ubuntu has no more special features than what other mainstream distributions does. Users have already started to abandon Ubuntu and search other distributions.
This can be noticed by following Ubuntu forums where 2/3 has a another distribution in use than Ubuntu (or any edition from it). And now media has started to notice that Ubuntu is not a OS but just a distribution of the Linux OS. So it is not so wonderfull thing anymore.

Still, there is big enough fanbase to maintain the illusion for new comers that Ubuntu is a different OS than Linux and special by some magical way.

But the fact is that RDF what Ubuntu community developed has gone. Same thing can be noticed from the Apple that RDF is not so great anymore. Just by watching the keynotes etc where audience does not react so wonderfull way anymore.

There is very logical reason. Canonical and Ubuntu community made exactly the same mistake what Apple did. First they said how X is great. How X is best. Then they started to use more stronger adjectives. So the magicall, fantastic and "one more thing" has just lost their meaning. The result just is that you have a "super mega jet turbo engine" but it is no different than what competitor has.

Ubuntu newbies who did not know anything about different Linux distributions have found the truth. They have started to see the technology how it is same in all as Canonical just use what upstream offer, as any other downstream.

Ubuntu X.x release does not get people anymore. The 6 months and LTS releases are old idea what many have used before Canonical. The "fancy" nicknaming the releases is as well gone down.

GNOME and other upstream projects have got their software to that state that they fill most demands what new users needs. No one care anymore about new fancy theme and wallpaper. New versions of the software is just something what is "okay, I update in next year".

The magic has vanished around Ubuntu and moved to other distributions. So has happened earlier and so will happend in the future. There is no one distribution what can maintain the hype longer than few years. That is exactly how long Ubuntu have had the hype, since 7.04 the hype started and now 10.4 it has almost gone.

It is as well good that Canonical could not do bigger damage to the OSS. As lying the them being the innovative and the driven force. Well, their lies were noticed and most people have started to turn around when they see Ubuntu. Many even gets angry when they notice how few Ubuntu fanatics goes around wikipedia adding Ubuntu screenshots for articles what has nothing to do with Ubuntu but the software what Ubuntu use as well as any other distribution.

Re:Nobody cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33475260)

Too long troll, doesn't get the steam up. HTH, try harder next time.

Lucid (2, Insightful)

JimboG (1467977) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475040)

I'm still getting 10.04 working!

for pay software (1)

deathguppie (768263) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475076)

I for one have been awaiting the day when free and non-free software could mix and mingle in a safe environment free from the nasty comments and glares of those who would have us stay separated..

Re:for pay software (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475110)

I for one have been awaiting the day when free and non-free software could mix and mingle in a safe environment free from the nasty comments and glares of those who would have us stay separated..

They can - it's called WINE [winehq.org] .

Sorry, not available on Windows :-p

Try installing one of the linux distros - they shouldn't be too hard to find. There's even one mentioned in the article summary (oops, my bad, I keep forgetting how many slashdotters don't RTFS, never mind RTFA).

Re:for pay software (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33475386)

Wine hasn't been able to load any windows app I have thrown at it.
Excuse me for not knowing esoteric line commands.

One's value in life is not a function of how many line commands one knows. It is derived from being able to DOCUMENT WHAT IS NEEDED TO KNOW.

Re:for pay software (2, Insightful)

jimicus (737525) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475254)

You could say the same thing about "Protestants and Catholics", "Muslims and Christians" or even "Theists and Atheists". For exactly the same reasons.

Re:for pay software (1)

the_womble (580291) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475604)

You could say the same thing about "Protestants and Catholics", "Muslims and Christians" or even "Theists and Atheists". For exactly the same reasons.

That is a really bad example. My family are all Catholic (so am I technically, but I think denominations do not matter), my wife is protestant, as are many of my friends. Some of my closest friends are atheists, and since I moved to a town that has a large Muslim population (about a quarter of the total) I have been making Muslim friends.

We all manage to get along with a minimum of glares and nasty comments, and those are rarely about religion.

If you cannot get on with people with different opinions about religion, or anything else, there is something wrong with you.

SO IS THIS STILL HAVE THE SAME PRIVACY PROBLEMS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33475102)

AND BLOATED COMMERCIAL SOFTWARE???

> Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like GETTING CORNHOLED BY MARK SHUTTLEWORTH

Re:SO IS THIS STILL HAVE THE SAME PRIVACY PROBLEMS (1)

IB4Student (1885914) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475256)

When you install it, you have the option to not install any non F/OSS components.

Re:SO IS THIS STILL HAVE THE SAME PRIVACY PROBLEMS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33475616)

DO YOU ALSO HAVE THE OPTIOON TO NOT INSTALL CANONICAL TRACKING PACKAGE I DON"T THINK SO

WHO NOS HOW ELES MARK IS TRACKING YOU UBUNTUS PROVEN UNTRUSTWORTHY AS FACEBOOK [b]WHO THEY HAPPEN TO PARTNER WITH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/b]
http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/08/10/0319243/Canonical-Begins-Tracking-Ubuntu-Installations [slashdot.org]

Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like MARK SHUTTLEWORTH IS WATCHING YOU MASTURBATE

I hope they fixed or tossed ureadahead (2, Insightful)

Sloppy (14984) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475120)

Ubuntu 10.04 has got to be the most fragile Linux I've used in ten years. Are there any filesystems that can't be mounted? Then NO BOOT FOR YOU!

I'll admit I like how fast it boots when ureadahead works, but I'm willing to wait an extra minute for the boot to finish, if that means I actually do get to boot instead of having to boot from a rescue CD and comment-out or "noauto" the problem filesystem in fstab.

Re:I hope they fixed or tossed ureadahead (3, Funny)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475166)

Yep. That's why I recommend 10.04 to my friends and run 9.10 myself.

Guinea pigs, you see. HeheheehHAHAHAHAHAH!

Re:I hope they fixed or tossed ureadahead (1)

mikael_j (106439) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475300)

For me ureadahead just crashes and then the boot continues anyway. But hey, at least it sort of works (and it's not like I'm running it on any important systems).

Maybe this time... (1, Insightful)

sockman (133264) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475140)

Dual monitor support will work correctly... oh wait, no that's an X issue.
I won't have to monkey with my audio drivers again... doubtful.
Windows won't randomly grab focus when I'm moving another window... (this is the weirdest issue from 10.04 I've ever seen)
I can get correct output to a television via DVI... ah crap nope still gotta monkey with the X config... but in MS Windows it just works.

Seriously, I run Ubuntu on 4 different machines and I'm tired of continually fucking with all of the settings.

Re:Maybe this time... (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475174)

> I can get correct output to a television via DVI... ah crap nope still gotta monkey with the X config... but in MS Windows it just works.

Never had this problem. Perhaps you should use a better video card, one that would actually be the recommended one for Windows even.

Re:Maybe this time... (1)

sockman (133264) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475330)

7300LE and 8800GT aren't good enough?

Seriously, I *always* have to tweak modelines and shit, and yes I'm sure it's the television I have, but in Windows it at least looks "OK" out of the box.

Re:Maybe this time... (2, Insightful)

sockman (133264) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475348)

7300LE and 8800GT aren't good enough?

Seriously, I *always* have to tweak modelines and shit, and yes I'm sure it's the television I have, but in Windows it at least looks "OK" out of the box.

P.S. Also, you are the exact Linux user that makes the community fucked. "It works for me, maybe you're a moron and your hardware sucks" is not a very good response. I thought Linux was supposed to be able to run on *anything* right?

Re:Maybe this time... (1)

the_womble (580291) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475708)

I thought Linux was supposed to be able to run on *anything* right?

Linux is supposed to be able to run on a fairly wide range of supported hardware, not everything.

I do not buy hardware unless I think confident that it will work with Linux (no exhaustive research, just quick checking) and almost everything has been fully functional out of the box, and I have exactly one serious problem (laptop sound needed a config file edited to work, and it took a lot of Googling to find the fix - when I reinstalled to swtich distro six months later it worked out of the box.).

Re:Maybe this time... (1)

The Good Reverend (84440) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475278)

No mod points, so I'll reply.

Those are my biggest "sigh, Windows does it better" issues too. Windows did duel monitors right almost 10 years ago, so it always shocks me when it just never works right in Ubuntu. Little things like audio shouldn't be a problem either, but they are for me, especially on my laptop.

These are the kinds of things that need fixing first if Ubuntu (and Linux) ever wants to be taken seriously.

Re:Maybe this time... (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475324)

ALSA certainly should not require obscure module tweaks. That's just not appropriate for the "target market".

OTOH, Dual monitor support is neither here nor there. There's probably loads of much more relevant stuff to focus on.

As much as certain people like to whine about this, it's obscure and geeky. Most people don't even know it's possible.

Re:Maybe this time... (1)

CFBMoo1 (157453) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475412)

"I won't have to monkey with my audio drivers again... doubtful."

That always bugs me when I install a release of their software. It has issues and I have to dork around with audio settings. On a side note, Netbook Remix doesn't seem to have any problems with Audio like the regular desktop version did for me. I'm not sure of all the differences but it seemed to me they got it right in Remix and are still trying to figure it out in the main versions.

Re:Maybe this time... (1)

emh203 (815620) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475552)

I have 4 monitors on my machine (2x 9500 GT cards). Took be 5 minutes to get setup in Windows. Still have to find a X configuration that works on all 4. It should not take a day of searching through forums, etc to get multiple to work in any distro.. Multi-monitor setups are not that uncommon and I think this points to a problem with X architecture has not kept up.

Re:Maybe this time... (2, Informative)

Beelzebud (1361137) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475716)

X was designed in the 70's and it's really really showing its age.

Re:Maybe this time... (1)

psbrogna (611644) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475818)

Depends on the specifics but sometimes video and, more often, wireless cards, functionality is hampered by lack of vendor participation in Linux driver development.

Re:Maybe this time... (1)

linuxpyro (680927) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475602)

Is that with Lucid? Not trying to pull a "I don't have this problem, so it must be you" thing here, but on my laptop with Lucid I've connected many an external monitor by just plugging it in and using the Monitors utility in the Preferences menu. Once or twice I've gotten a weird result, like weird resolution or the monitors getting switched, but that's pretty rare. Usually it works pretty well. My laptop's using an Intel graphics chipset, and that may have something to do with it, I'm not sure. I used to run Lucid on my Desktop with an nVidia card, and the process of adding a second monitor was pretty much similar.

I find it interesting how it seems sometimes one Ubuntu install will go smoothly with most things working, and then another will screw up on a similar set of hardware. Right now the biggest issue I'm running into is suspend to ram, which simply shuts my laptop down. Other than that though things are fine for the most part.

Flickery Display using S-Video under Intel i945. (1)

Zombie Ryushu (803103) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475148)

One of the problems I have with this is the fact that as of Version 2.10 of the Intel driver, kernel Mode setting is mandatory. When I upgraded from Jaunty to Lucid, thats when first Kernel Mode Setting became available, and you had to disable it in /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf

But the only reason I was able to do that is because version 2.9 still retains the older User Mode Setting method that avoids the flicker. As of 2.10, Intel's drivers require Kernel mode setting. I use S-video to connect my Laptop to my TV. when using Kernel mode setting, my display was garbled flicker city, when using User mode setting, it worked fine. This is a serious bug for anyone using the Intel chips.

Re:Flickery Display using S-Video under Intel i945 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33475188)

One of the problems I have with this is the fact that as of Version 2.10 of the Intel driver, kernel Mode setting is mandatory. When I upgraded from Jaunty to Lucid, thats when first Kernel Mode Setting became available, and you had to disable it in /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf

But the only reason I was able to do that is because version 2.9 still retains the older User Mode Setting method that avoids the flicker. As of 2.10, Intel's drivers require Kernel mode setting. I use S-video to connect my Laptop to my TV. when using Kernel mode setting, my display was garbled flicker city, when using User mode setting, it worked fine. This is a serious bug for anyone using the Intel chips.

Use "i915.powersave=0" as a boot parameter in Grub. It should fix it.

Re:Flickery Display using S-Video under Intel i945 (1)

Zombie Ryushu (803103) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475264)

Incorrect. Use "i915.modeset=0"

Re:Flickery Display using S-Video under Intel i945 (3, Insightful)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475520)

Use "i915.modeset=0"

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Re:Flickery Display using S-Video under Intel i945 (2, Insightful)

linuxpyro (680927) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475612)

It depends. In my case, if my parent's computer messes up, I'm the one they call for tech support anyways, no matter what the OS.

Re:Flickery Display using S-Video under Intel i945 (4, Informative)

domatic (1128127) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475626)

It's no worse than doing a regedit import which I've had to do to fix presumably Grandma-ready Windows issues.

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Speedier verson of Evolution (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33475196)

They replaced it with Gmail?

Re:Speedier verson of Evolution (1)

IANAAC (692242) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475308)

I'm still on 10.04, but managed to get the latest version (2.30) of Evolution through another ppa.

It really is faster. And more stable too (although I had never experienced the crashes some had with 2.28).

They've also changed up the interface a bit with updated icons - it no longer looks like something out of 1998.

Re:Speedier verson of Evolution (1)

tokul (682258) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475632)

It really is faster.

There is no way to make it faster, if they continue to use same f...ed up mailbox format for storage.

Re:Speedier verson of Evolution (1)

IANAAC (692242) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475930)

Truthfully, I know nothing about the exact mailbox format, but I know they're sqlite 3 databases. In any other app I've used that utilizes sqlite (2/3) databases, I've never found them to be slow.

That said, my evolution's mailboxes aren't too terribly large (about 15K messages each in two different mail accounts).

Re:Speedier verson of Evolution (1)

leromarinvit (1462031) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475316)

They replaced it with Gmail?

No, from what I heard /usr/bin/evulution is now a symlink to /usr/bin/mutt.

Sadly, with Ubuntu, one thing is perpetual (1, Insightful)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475366)

Ugliness! Now Say I am a troll but default Ubuntu is ugly and therefore not pleasing to the eyes. When one slaps another desktop environment on it, things get appreciably better.

A few thoughts (3, Informative)

TejWC (758299) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475430)

I have been using Kubuntu 10.10 for the last 2 weeks. Some impressions:
  • Still haven't fixed a number of dual screen bugs :(. Sad because Fedora 13 fixed them in their KDE.
  • I didn't like how KDE 4.5 changed the buttons so I had to change the coloring system back to KDE 4.4 style
  • Lots of updates; every day!
  • Rekonq still crashes each time I go to google maps. Latest git commit crashes on startup so Kubuntu guys can't do much about it yet
  • Qt 4.7 is awesome. It seems fairly stable despite not being released yet.
  • R600 open source driver still has issues with KDE's window manager (in terms of performance). At least its a little faster. Also, they fixed all the issues it has with Blender3D!

Re:A few thoughts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33475762)

10.04 also gets a lot of updates, almost daily, even though the list of packages I have installed on the wife's unr laptop is pretty small. Is ubuntu's qa really going down the drain?

Upgrade or Full install... (2, Interesting)

Brad1138 (590148) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475458)

I have been using Ubuntu since 6.04, and really like it. However usually when I try to upgrade from 1 version to the next it crashes and I end up just installing the new version from scratch. Hope it is different this time.

Re:Upgrade or Full install... (1)

LVSlushdat (854194) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475750)

I've also been on Ubuntu since 2006 with the 6.06 release, which was their first LTS .. I only upgrade when the following LTS comes out, so I was on 8.04 until very recently. Just went out and bought a new 160GB system drive (and a new 1TB drive data drive to replace the old 500GB) for the main desktop and a 500GB for the laptop and did clean installs of 10.04 on both systems. I *tried* to upgrade 6.06 to 8.04... was not pretty... Now I do clean installs.

Re:Upgrade or Full install... (1)

bheerssen (534014) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475924)

Ubuntu installs so fast, I tend to try the upgrade process first, figuring 'what the hell, may as well try it.' In my case, 10.04 was the very first time an upgrade actually worked. I was pleasantly surprised.

Canonical's priorities (2, Interesting)

McTickles (1812316) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475666)

Canonical seriously needs to reconsider their priorities... Before throwing in more useless "wizbang" perhaps they should stabilize packages, keep them more up to date and dont rush releases out every 6 months... Perhaps there ought to be 2 massive versions: desktop and server. the packages are always updated to the latest builds and no more releases just 1 install and you can keep up to date forever no need to reinstall.

Re:Canonical's priorities (2, Informative)

Beelzebud (1361137) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475738)

What you just described is basically a rolling release distro. Try Arch Linux or Gentoo. Ubuntu isn't the only Linux distro. If it's not doing what you like, you should check other ones out.

Re:Canonical's priorities (1)

Haeleth (414428) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475778)

Sounds like you want Debian Unstable.

The name contains a subtle hint as to what happens if you always update packages to the latest builds instead of performing careful testing of scheduled releases.

fan control ? (1)

socheres (1771002) | more than 4 years ago | (#33475674)

i wonder if it has some acpi fan control for my lenovo s10
i am forced to use windows xp especially late at night in bed as some user has written a hack for windows that corrects the acpi temperature values so my lil' laptop wont sound like a boeing...
i tried several linux hacks including but not limited to lmsensors and thinkfan but they don't work for me :(

Dept. of Redundancy Department (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#33475676)

The release announcement boasts faster boot times

Does it also boast cooler CPU temperatures and louder sound volumes?

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