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Turbolinux Is Latest To Sign Microsoft Pact

kdawson posted more than 6 years ago | from the protection-at-what-price dept.

Microsoft 180

mytrip sends word that Turbolinux has followed Novell, Linspire, and Xandros in signing a patent and technology agreement with Microsoft. Microsoft pledged not to sue Turbolinux's users for patent infringement. Turbolinux, headquartered in Japan, sells Linux systems mostly in emerging markets such as China and India. The Betanews story speculates on some of the technology benefits Turbolinux might get out of the deal.

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Turbolinux? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21091851)

They're still around?

Re:Turbolinux? (4, Interesting)

trolltalk.com (1108067) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092539)

... and that's why they did the deal - attention. The article say's they're big in Asia, but they're not, and their other forays into things like "appliances" didn't work.

Just another linux company slowly sliding into obscurity as other linux distros make get larger and more capable by the day. This market rationalization will end up with a few major distros ready to take on Redmond head-to-head - and win.

Small distros will still continue to exist, to serve their market niches where warranted, and not as "me to" linux.

Re:Turbolinux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21092751)

Turbowhat?

L O L

Dammit. (1)

cromar (1103585) | more than 6 years ago | (#21091871)

Double dammit.

Re:Dammit. (1)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#21091989)

My sentiments exactly.

Re:Dammit. (5, Funny)

h4rm0ny (722443) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092439)


Frustration is understandable, but targeted disgust can be more therapeutic. Instead of "dammit" try saying "treacherous judases who have just signed their own death warrant and thank fuck they're just a pissant little distro that nobody really gave a shit and whose only notable achievement is this sudden managing to replace the Linux world's apathy toward them in one stroke, albeit with dislike."

Yep, saying that is much more therapeutic. Especially at the top of a thread on an international tech news forum. ;)

"Traitors - we piss on you!"

Re:Dammit. (1)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092513)

Thank you. I feel more at peace already. By the way, I have a plane ticket to Japan, but I still need a chainsaw. May I borrow yours?

Re:Dammit. (1)

h4rm0ny (722443) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092579)


Keep it. I have several.

Re:Dammit. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21092019)

TurboDamnit?

Technology benefits? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21091873)

Could it be? Could Turbolinux users be getting transparent title bars on their windows? That would be FANTASTIC!

huh? (5, Funny)

Lord Ender (156273) | more than 6 years ago | (#21091883)

Microsoft pledged not to sue Turbolinux's users
Turbolinux has users?

Re:huh? (1)

davidsyes (765062) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092029)

They should be made to run around in fundoshi for 3 weeks, apologize, and bathe in squid oil for 2 weeks. I don't suppose other parts of Asia will welcome this threat to a unified Asian Linux distro. This is just (obscene) (Why the hell cannot )

Re:huh? (1)

ady1 (873490) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092035)

Yes it does. All one of them.

Re:huh? (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092175)

Turbolinux has users?

its not as quick off the line as SuperLinux and you do have to keep your CPU running a few extra minutes after you're done computing for the day (they make timers to help with that).

check your drives every 12,000 I/O's and it should run fine for years.

Re:huh? (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092227)

I get the feeling that I am not the only one who has noticed that, after Novell, Microsoft hasn't really been able to sign a deal with a major player in the Linux world. Actually, every time I hear a Microsoft deal, I jump back in shock, shock that the other company in the deal still exists. Linspire? Xandros? Turbolinux? These are names that I know, but hadn't heard much about for a long time. I guess it's not a good sign on Microsoft's part that only forgotten companies are willing to sign the pact.

I suppose the only thing that could be worse is if there was an article about a Xenix revival.

Re:huh? (1)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092325)

That is because the major player listened to the public outcry that when up after the Novel deal. They are have a lot to lose if the community doesn't like their movements. The small ones, on the other hand, seem to be largely small players that try to exist as commercial software (correct me if I'm wrong). They survive by selling their respective distributions rather than having a large community behind them.

Re:huh? (1)

trolltalk.com (1108067) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092677)

I run openSUSE, both at work and at home, but my secondary home machine is going to be running Fedora Core as of next week.

Its not that I have a problem with Novell (I don't - I think they were blindsided by Microsoft's post-deal lies about the "patent protection racket"), but at the same time, I can "vote with my cpus" for a healthy linux ecosystem.

Re:huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21093563)

I run openSUSE, both at work and at home, but my secondary home machine is going to be running Fedora Core as of next week.
Do you have much experience with Fedora? IMHO, you should consider CentOS and Ubuntu. Fedora changes very rapidly and needs many incompatible repos to actually get a decent amount of software. CentOS is very solid, doesn't change much, and it's third party repos are also quite stable. Ubuntu has a massive amount of packages and the only third party repo that's really useful is Medibuntu, and that's just if you need libdvdcss2, w32codecs, and similar packages. Everything else is included in the official repos (aac, mp3, mpeg2, xvid, x264, lame, flash etc), just install "ubuntu-restricted-extras" to get it all easily.

Follow the money? (1)

khasim (1285) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092375)

I don't see anything in the article about Microsoft paying to "share" their "technology".

But I'm sure that is what happened.

Anyone have any other references? It appears that Microsoft is buying up the lesser Linux distributions.

Re:huh? (3, Informative)

muyuubyou (621373) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092409)

They have some, mostly in Japan. I've bought Turbolinux in the past, but I swear I never will after this move.

Re:huh? (5, Insightful)

pluther (647209) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092777)

Turbolinux has users?

had

Re:huh? (3, Funny)

Ep0xi (1093943) | more than 6 years ago | (#21093389)

Sorry to tell you, but TurboLinux is the most reliable linux on earth. After Mr Volker's Slackware with lots of twisting and turnings-
Probably, related to my new job, TurboLinux will have the best Open Sourced, Freewared .NET server.

Re:huh? (1)

Thyrteen (1084963) | more than 6 years ago | (#21093635)

Is that why your website is down? :)

LOOKUP THIS ON GOOGLE, TURBOLINUX AND CHINA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21093841)

"Turbo Linux" and "China"

on >url>http://www.google.com

& see...

As Keifer Sutherland said in the film "The Lost Boys", about Rice:

"How can 5 million Chinese be wrong Michael?" :)

Re:huh? (1)

Duhavid (677874) | more than 6 years ago | (#21094001)

No, they dont. Which makes this agreement very curious.

Re:huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21094047)

Re:huh? (1)

Duhavid (677874) | more than 6 years ago | (#21094247)

I am sure they do, but that would have ruined the joke.

Re:huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21094005)

Let me help you connect the dots...

Japan is considering using linux in several areas (or is already using linux)...consider switching 400,000 computers to linux...

Now, so and so linux vendor says they are connected to M$ to boot. Guess who starts getting contracts, etc.

http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8141249791.html [desktoplinux.com]

Protection or mutual technology sharing? (3, Informative)

starseeker (141897) | more than 6 years ago | (#21091895)

The article refers to a cross-licensing agreement with intent to use some technology - it doesn't say anything about not suing customers, although presumably that could be part of the deal and not mentioned here.

Re:Protection or mutual technology sharing? (1)

burnin1965 (535071) | more than 6 years ago | (#21093883)

it doesn't say anything about not suing customers

Even if there were guarantees to not sue Turbolinux customers, its moot [google.com] . Microsoft can't stop patent trolls from filing lawsuits against linux distrubutors or users, and in fact it appears [slashdot.org] Microsoft will be using patent trolls as a proxy to fight off competition underhandedly rather than face a competitor on technical merit. A good reference for this unethical, and possibly illegal, tactic is the Microsoft-Baystar-SCO [arstechnica.com] link in the now thoroughly debunked SCO vs IBM case concerning "Unix code in linux".

Money ? (2, Interesting)

DrYak (748999) | more than 6 years ago | (#21091897)

Yeah but did they get money out of the deal ? Back then, Novell got Microsoft to invest some money in the development of cross-compatibility software (in short : Novell payed some cash to MS for patents, and MS in return gave huge wads of cash to Novell for development)

Is this the case tody with TurboLinux ?

Re:Money ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21092229)

Tody?

Tody?!?

Goddamned, Tody's ignoring us again. >|

Re:Money ? (3, Interesting)

jbengt (874751) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092271)

ACtually, the way I heard it, MS gave wads of cash to Novell for patents.
Because MS sells so much more than Novell, in balance they owed more to Novell for the use of Novell's IP than Novell owed to MS for the use of MS's IP.

The good old days (5, Funny)

Dice (109560) | more than 6 years ago | (#21091961)

And here I was thinking that Turbolinux died years ago. Last time I remember hearing about them is back in '99 or '00.

Maybe they just died on the inside.

Re:The good old days (1)

nickj6282 (896871) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092083)

I died on the inside when I read the headline :(

Re:The good old days (2, Informative)

slack_prad (942084) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092147)

Looks like they went underground [distrowatch.com] in 2002 (offering no free ISO download). Now they've resurfaced.
The Turbolinux 10 Desktop now costs 29$ [turbolinux.com]

Re:The good old days (1)

trolltalk.com (1108067) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092813)

From the distrowatch link parent cites ... "Turbolinux 7 Server also supports the Large File Support (LFS) standard for working with applications that manage or handle up to four terabytes of data "

All the modern distros can have maximum file sizes larger than that ... old chart ... [novell.com] . And then you have these totally insane file size limits [wikipedia.org] ... Petabyte and exabite file sizes ....

Turbo linux? They lost their cachet around the time that PC makers stopped putting turbo buttons on computers.

Queen (3, Funny)

businessnerd (1009815) | more than 6 years ago | (#21091963)

There's a Queen song that comes to mind...

Re:Queen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21092045)

We Are the Champions? Why?

Re:Queen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21092075)

We Are the Champions?

Re:Queen (1)

Kalriath (849904) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092127)

Allow me to ruin the suspense, everyone:

Another One Bites the Dust.

Re:Queen (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092157)

I was thinking more "Death On Two Legs".

Re:Queen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21092201)

More like "Fat Bottomed Girls".

Re:Queen (1)

h4rm0ny (722443) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092493)


Under Pressure?

Or maybe from the Microsoft side: "I want it all"

Re:Queen (1)

OutSourcingIsTreason (734571) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092177)

Don't Try Suicide

Re:Queen (4, Funny)

DrSkwid (118965) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092281)

Which one ?
  • You Don't Fool Me
  • Stone Cold Crazy
  • The Show Must Go On
  • I'm Going Slightly Mad
  • Scandal
  • I Can't Live With You
  • Headlong
  • Too Much Love Will Kill You
  • These Are The Days Of Our Lives
  • No One But You
  • I Want It All
  • Pain Is So Close To Pleasure
  • Who Wants To Live Forever
  • Man On The Prowl
  • I Want To Break Free
  • Under Pressure
  • Save Me
  • Don't Stop Me Now
  • Jealousy
  • Liar


that'll do :)

Blasphemy (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092529)

I can't believe Bohemian Rhapsody didn't make your list.

Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me,for me,for me

Re:Blasphemy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21093103)

Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me,for me,for meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEE *headbang*

Fixed.

Re:Queen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21092713)

Actually, it turns out that the correct answer is "Fat Bottomed Girls".

Go figure.

Re:Queen (1)

theskipper (461997) | more than 6 years ago | (#21094361)

Lesser known was the remix, "Fat Bottomed Bald Guys".

Re:Queen (1)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092353)

There's a Queen song that comes to mind...
You mean that Microsoft is thinking "I Want It All" or singing "You're My Best Friend" (when they're really just after TurboLinux's sweets?). "Under Pressure"? "Fight from the Inside"? This could go on forever.

It sure as hell can't have been "Good Company" though.

Metallica (1)

angryfirelord (1082111) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092911)

Nah, I was thinking of the song, Master of Puppets.

Obey your master, MASTER!

So ... (0, Flamebait)

future assassin (639396) | more than 6 years ago | (#21091993)

the Linux companies are starting to do what the big whigs have been doing for years but because of everyones pride they are called sell outs?

Re:So ... (1)

domatic (1128127) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092069)

These Linux companies are making money from many upstream projects. They get to make the money while the upstreams are thrown under the Microsoft Legal bus.

Re:So ... (1)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092109)

Submitting to M$'s patent deals is borderline admitting to infringing patents. Which increases the risk of lawsuits against other distros. Linux likely does infringe on some patents, but certainly not 235 and probably not intentionally.

My list keeps growing (2, Insightful)

Araxen (561411) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092059)

On Linux distro's that I'll never install or support.

Re:My list keeps growing (1)

Chapter80 (926879) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092893)

My list keeps growing... On Linux distro's that I'll never install or support.
You're looking at this all wrong! Download TurboLinux. Install it at all your customers (on some old 486 machine in the storage closet). Then tell them that they may violate any Microsoft patents that they want.

"Microsoft pledged not to sue Turbolinux's users for patent infringement."

(I should mention that I ANAL thing...)

Re:My list keeps growing (1)

Tarlus (1000874) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092951)

Why?

who?? (3, Insightful)

dartmongrel (855947) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092067)

yup, yet another insignificant distro took some bucks to be the latest FUD. Well done M$FT, I'm so scared that I'm formatting my drive right now to reinstall XP. /sarcasm Wake me up if a real distro like Red Hat Debian or Slackware SELL OUT, at which point I will simply start using OpenBSD on my desktop in addition to my server. This is FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD!

Re:who?? (1)

newgalactic (840363) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092179)

I agree with most of what your saying, ...but I hate that acronimn. It sounds like "newspeak" form 1984, a simplified nonsense word used to dumb-down complex ideas. Keep saying what your saying, but could you ease up with the use of "FUD"...ugh! Thanks and goodluck

Re:who?? (1)

calebt3 (1098475) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092191)

One could make an argument that SuSE is a major distro.

Re:who?? (1)

h4rm0ny (722443) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092551)


It is. Though happily I work in an environment where I was able to get our SuSE installation replaced with Debian. And I did that in response to their Microsoft deal. It's a small thing, but I did it and I liked that I did it.

Re:who?? (1)

stinerman (812158) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092219)

Debian won't ever go under, no matter if it becomes illegal to run a Linux distro. They'd just pull all their US servers, and I'd change a few lines in sources.lst. Problem solved. I assume Slackware would do something similar.

Red Hat might have problems if Ballmer makes good on his threats as they are based in the US.

And if worse comes to worse, then you always have a *BSD as you noted. There is really nothing to worry about as far as home users are concerned.

Re:who?? (1)

rtyhurst (460717) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092411)

Bullwinkle!

It's the end of the world, dude!

Next I'm going to open up Firefox and see the Microsoft logo on the fox's forehead!

Aiyeeee!

Now would be a good time to panic...

Re:who?? (3, Funny)

Tarlus (1000874) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092983)

...a real distro like Red Hat Debian...
God, I hope that never happens.

Re:who?? (1)

Taleron (875810) | more than 6 years ago | (#21093537)

A real distro signing with Microsoft, or Red Hat and Debian becoming one?

Re:who?? (1)

BokLM (550487) | more than 6 years ago | (#21094075)

Mandriva said it will not sign that deal with Microsoft :
http://blog.mandriva.com/2007/06/19/we-will-not-go-to-canossa/ [mandriva.com]

Re:who?? (2, Informative)

sconeu (64226) | more than 6 years ago | (#21094357)

Which leaves Mandriva as the only UnitedLinux member who won't.
  • SuSE => Novell. Signed.
  • Caldera... Well, technically they haven't joined the covenant, but we all know what their turned out to be
  • TurboLinux. Signed
  • Connectiva. Merged with Mandrake to form Mandriva. Won't sign.

Tiny Trend (2, Insightful)

markdavis (642305) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092091)

So, other than Novell, many of the "tiny" Linuxes (those with the least user base), seem interested in trying to attach their wagons to the Microsoft train.

I, for one, am not all THAT surprised, but neither all that concerned, either. The message from the other LARGER Linux distros like Redhat, Canonical, and Mandriva, have all have a clear message: ***NO*** If one of those were to fall for it, I would be VERY concerned.

Show us the infringing patents, Microsoft.... we are still waiting...

Is this really bad (2, Interesting)

prelelat (201821) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092139)

Don't companies all of the time say hey I won't sue you if you don't sue me? If Microsoft has so much on Linux as far as software patents go then I would think they would sue instead signing non aggression agreements. I think Microsoft might have some things that Linux could say they hold a patent on. Maybe this is a good thing for Linux as they don't have to worry about going to court for 10 years with their clients and developers wondering what will happen if Microsoft gets the upper hand. Even if it was something developers could change easily it's nice to know you won't be going to court because something is similar enough to a patent Microsoft owns. I can see why they would go and do this, though I do think it's almost like signing a deal with the devil. I hope distros like Red Hat and such don't do it personally.

I don't know much about it so if I'm wrong could you please explain to me how this is bad?

Re:Is this really bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21093131)

It's also not all bad to have the distro pack thinned in this manner. I think public uptake will improve when switching to Linux isn't like trying to pick the right card from a deck.

Re:Is this really bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21094345)

"I don't know much about it so if I'm wrong could you please explain to me how this is bad?"

Let's see... A convicted monopolist is going around threatening patent infringement towards
the open source/Linux community with NO proof at all AND making "deals" with several distro's
which coincidentally happens to be the only competition other than Apple!!!

There is most definitely something wrong with this. I don't think it should even be allowed.

Don Ballmer Strikes again (4, Funny)

MrSteveSD (801820) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092149)

[Capo di tutti capi, Steve Ballmer] - "That's a nice set of users ya got there. Shame if anything were to happen to 'em. I'm a reasonable Mafia don though, I just want to 'Wet my beak' as they say."

thank god! (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21092171)

linux fags are starting to come to their senses.

Trying to gain more visiblity? (2, Insightful)

turnipsatemybaby (648996) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092247)

It seems to me that, with the exception of Novell, the distros signing up for this thing are all small-time distros with relatively small user bases.

I can't grok what Novell could possibly have been thinking, but it would make sense for the less popular distros to align with microsoft as they instantly become newsworthy and generate more interest.

Has there *ever* been a slashdot story on TurboLinux prior to this? If there was it certainly wasn't recently.

Re:Trying to gain more visiblity? (1)

Tetsujin (103070) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092385)

Has there *ever* been a slashdot story on TurboLinux prior to this? If there was it certainly wasn't recently.
Rejoice! I have the answer you seek!
http://linux.slashdot.org/search.pl?query=turbolinux [slashdot.org]

Re:Trying to gain more visiblity? (2, Insightful)

mc moss (1163007) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092403)

Ok, I'm a complete noob when it comes to Linux and open sourse. How can microsoft sue people who are using open source software? I thought the whole point is that the community works on it together or something to continually make it better and distribute for free among themselves.

Re:Trying to gain more visiblity? (1)

AnyoneEB (574727) | more than 6 years ago | (#21093553)

Microsoft is claiming to have patents on ideas which software included in Linux distros use, and therefore claims to have a patent infringement case. The general consenus on /. seems to be that Microsoft is lying partially because they refuse to actually specify what their patent claims are.

I'm also confused and would love an exlplanation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21093811)

How is it that Microsoft could sue the users of Linux? I'm a Linux user. I have a computer running Linux. Am I to understand that Microsoft believes it can sue me? If a car manufacturer believed another car manufacturer was infringing on its patents, wouldn't it go after the allegedly infringing manufacturer and not those people who had purchased a car manufactured by said manufacturer? Can someone sort me out on this?

I just realised I made a car analogy. I'm so very sorry.

Re:Trying to gain more visiblity? (1)

RealSurreal (620564) | more than 6 years ago | (#21093231)

Yes there has [slashdot.org]

Is MS's threats liable or slander? (2, Interesting)

newgalactic (840363) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092251)

Is MS's threats liable or slander? It seems that they always throw around that "we'll protect our Intellectual Property..." line a lot, but no one seems to have a clue what their talking about. As far as I know, making unsubstantiated claims like that for the purpose of scaring corporations away from Linux is illegal (called liable or slander I think). It's akin to "Brand X" claiming "Brand Y kills a puppy every time you use their product", when they don't. Can someone shed some light on this issue? Does Linux infringe upon MS IP, and if it doesn't, why hasn't Redhat or someone sued them to shut up?

Re:Is MS's threats liable or slander? (1)

brentonboy (1067468) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092283)

but are they liable for their libel?

Re:Is MS's threats liable or slander? (1)

newgalactic (840363) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092333)

woops, thanks. That's what I get for depending upon spellcheck too much.

Re:Is MS's threats liable or slander? (1)

trolltalk.com (1108067) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092899)

"It seems that they always throw around that "we'll protect our Intellectual Property..." line a lot, but no one seems to have a clue what their talking about. "

They are "protecting their intellectual property". Their intellectual property consists of Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. Ask anyone who's using Windows and is afraid of the forced downgrade to Vista on their next purchase ...

Oh, you meant like in software? Nothing to see there ...

Re:Is MS's threats liable or slander? (1)

jellie (949898) | more than 6 years ago | (#21094131)

No, I don't think Microsoft is guilty of libel or slander. To me, it's more of a tactic to make certain claims but hide behind their ambiguity so as to avoid having to substantiate those claims. I think of it as akin to the White House's argument: "you're guilty of being a threat to national security, but we can't prove it because providing the evidence will violate national security. So we win." It ridiculous, but you don't have to make sense when you're the one in power.

Microsoft and all large companies (including IBM and Sun) have huge patent chests that cover all sorts of different technology. I'm sure that Linux infringes upon many Microsoft patents - we already know how poorly written some patents are. Conversely, Microsoft infringes upon many patents by other companies/institutions/patent trolls. Think of Amazon's One-Click patent; Barnes and Noble removed their "Express Lane" feature from their site because it infringed upon an Amazon patent. We (as in /.) weren't upset that a court ruled B&N guilty of patent infringement, but that the patent was obvious and should never have been given. I think suing MS will just invite them to countersue for infringement; it's probably easier to ignore MS's asinine talk.

Well, that's my opinion, anyway, and IANAL.

Re:Is MS's threats liable or slander? (1)

opieum (979858) | more than 6 years ago | (#21094137)

To quote JJJameson in Spiderman. "In print it's Libel" Slander is in spoken word. SO Ballmer already has that against him if he cannot prove it. I think it is either a bait tactic. Here is hoping IBM, RH, and all the *nix bigwigs go after MS with that. They can really doom them with that and shut them up if they cannot produce the evidence. Incidentally Did'nt the SCO case determine that there were still 200+ patents in the case but they were not obvious? I could be way off there but I recall something about that. Or was it 4? Anyway It seems like MS may be using what little crap leftover from the SCO fiasco to try to attack directly. Seems like it anyway.

Pat (4, Insightful)

turgid (580780) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092441)

When Pat sells out, the fat lady will be singing. Not before.

Until then, get busy living.

Joe Asshole Is Latest To Sign Microsoft Pact (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21092473)

mytrip sends word that Joe Asshole has followed Novell, Linspire, and Xandros in signing a patent and technology agreement with Microsoft. Microsoft pledged not to sue Joe Asshole's users for patent infringement. Joe Asshole, sells Linux systems mostly in emerging markets. The Betanews story speculates on some of the technology benefits Joe Asshole might get out of the deal.

I don't care that people use Excel to store the names of every fucking ringing tune they can purchase for their cell phone.

And I even care less about the childish FUD here on Slashdot.

IN OTHER NEWS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21092821)

Redhat, Mandriva, Ubuntu, Debian, Gentoo, aka, the distros people actually use, havent done this.

All the distributions that are more or less dead because they either have horrible names or dont offer much are signing the pact to squeeze water from a stone. or try to be relevent again when microsoft starts suing all the real (as in, distributions that have more than 10,000 users) distributions for tons of vague patent and copyright issues that are either all prior art, or were things created in countries that didnt have the patent or didnt have software patents.

Microsoft won't sue them but .... (1)

HermMunster (972336) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092879)

Microsoft has created shill company that collects patents and sues. So, even though Microsoft hasn't sued Novell it's shill company did. How's that for a pact?

New business model (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#21092901)

1. Make a "no patent lawsuit" deal with Microsoft.

2. Sell free software to terrified businesses.

3. ???

4. Profit.

Of course, one of the many gaping holes in this plan is that it assumes that Microsoft is the only company that has patents. Any large company could start a similar racket. And any patent troll could bring the clients down.

This business model is something akin to selling a can of green beans with a big sticker reading "No glass shards!": It hopes to imply there is something wrong with your competition while at the same time ignoring that there are worse things to find in your beans...

Repeat quickly (1)

SpaghettiPattern (609814) | more than 6 years ago | (#21092997)

Repeat quickly MS Turbolinux, MS Turbolinux, MS Turbolinux, MS Turbolinux...

Well okay, it's funnier in Spanish or Italian.

Turbolinux?? (1)

HermMunster (972336) | more than 6 years ago | (#21093011)

I believe I downloaded them a few years ago and they were just horrific so I tossed the CD. Turbolinux is apparently at position 75 on distrowatch.com. We can watch it drop quickly.

What they are doing is taking the infusion of cash to make a quick profit for the founders and they don't care if Turbolinux itself dies.

Of course no one really believes Turbolinux has any patents or other intellectual property to deal with so one must ask how they got Microsoft to agree. One must conclude that Microsoft is desperate to get any so they can make it look like they are being buddies with the community when they are sued again for very aggrievous monopoly infractions of the law. It is coming boys and girls. Another huge suit that ultimately will brake up Microsoft. Now that's just my opinion but I think it will happen. Probably in the next 5 years. I think Microsoft knows it. They are doing everything to make it appear like they are working with this or that.

Honestly tho how do you explain several Microsoft employees leaving Microsoft to join a company which has the sole purpose of suing for IP? Then think about how that company sued Novell whom Microsoft said they wouldn't sue. Let's get real here. Microsoft is doing a ropadope. Just watch out for that left hook people. In this field of IP too much paranoia is not enough.

Totally unnecessary. (1, Insightful)

unity100 (970058) | more than 6 years ago | (#21093073)

1 - Linux does not infringe upon anything microsoft. Even if it did, if microsoft brought any lawsuit on the matter, the capital behind linux defense would be so immense due to big corps and foundations and even governments giving a shoulder to it that, it would eventually end up like sco case.

2 - Microsoft vs linux is a lost case for microsoft in europe. Eu favors linux, loves it, encourages it from underhand. Eu dislikes microsoft practices. (evident from latest rulings) And even some governments in europe heavily invest in linux. (some french govt agencies, some states in germany, central europeans and so on).

3 - Big markets for software are, U.S., Eu, China, Southeast asia general, Japan. Eu is lost to microsoft. In eu, companies play with eu rules, not their own. China is a communist party dicta, if microsoft goes foul with them (and they dare not) poooooof - a country that can put out 28 million out on duty to inform on great firewall breakers can field a million programmers to weed out microsoft code from linux and come up with their own distro, and then oust microsoft for good. noone can raise an objection, its communist party - you gotta stomach it. Southeast asia is a mixed pot, where ms can win, it can lose in someplace else, and they are so accustomed to piracy that they wouldnt care whether linux infringed upon microsoft and their govt ruled against it or not. That leaves only US and Japan as playgrounds for microsoft. in u.s. only, ms can put a strong lawsuit, but, as said, in here there is much capital to defend linux that microsoft dare not do it either. i wont name names and companies and foundations here, but you know them all already. So, there is only japan. the only weak place against microsoft is japan, and korea, and that japanese company did the only viable thing they could do. i dont blame them.

AND, additionally (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 6 years ago | (#21093117)

If linux had come under such an attack, and a foundation makes an announcement for need of donations to an emergency linux defense fund, there are SO many developers, webmasters, communities that would put the donation buttons on their sites and garner SO many donations that, the amount they could gather up would make microsoft's yearly revenues look ridiculous. with that kind of funds, an entire senate can be bought. therefore i dont see anything to scare away from linux.

Novell signed the pact and a lot of good that did (1)

Daniel Phillips (238627) | more than 6 years ago | (#21093201)

Novell signed the pact and a lot of good that did, Microsoft has sued Novell anyway. Do not deal with the devil, it may seem tempting but in the end you will regret it.

Re:Novell signed the pact and a lot of good that d (1)

SailorSpork (1080153) | more than 6 years ago | (#21093677)

Do you mean this lawsuit? [news.com] I thought M$ sued to get Novell to join the dark side, not after it had already joined...

agreed (1)

luther349 (645380) | more than 6 years ago | (#21093375)

deal with the devil and you get burned. novell has lerned this lession the hard way. the so called patent is a weak one and was shot down in the 80s aruldy. rember it was m$ apple vs xerox and xerox lost.

Conflicting tone? (1)

nobodymk2 (1137293) | more than 6 years ago | (#21094421)

I had to stop reading the article. It doesn't agree with Slashdot's tone. The article here makes it seem that Microsoft is threatening to sue Linux users for patent infringement, while the aritcle at BetaNews sounds like simple Mutual agreement so that networks are more compatible. Quite frankly I can't understand how you can sue a user of an operating system for patent infringement. Were Microsoft users sued when Microsoft was sued on the premises of anti-trust laws? Did Overture sue advertisers on Google and the people that clicked on them, let alone Google's users? Did Geico sue people that clicked on sponsored links other than the ones to the Official Geico site? No. They sued the company the made the application. I have enough trouble configuring my network correctly with Comcast, six computers, three wireless (one B, two G), two Mac with non-Intel processor, and a Motorola router with Vonage and Wireless-B/G. You run into an impossible number of problems with Apache and FileZilla FTP Server when you try to configure them on the network (cough, routers fault). While I choose not to read it because it's the information is too conflicting, anything to improve network compatibility is good news, especially if the money goes to the developers of systems who's network compatibility is neglected.
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