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Five Reasons Not to Use Linux

CmdrTaco posted more than 9 years ago | from the dripping-with-sarcasm dept.

Linux Business 1070

UltimaGuy writes "Linux-watch has a humorous article about the top 5 reasons for not using Linux. It does provoke some thought aside from bringing a smile to our lips :)"

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Anecdote time (5, Funny)

suso (153703) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435739)

Sure, Windows is easier to use than Linux. But eventually you just get so frustrated that you have to take an angle-grinder to your computer, and it really takes a long time to get all the little bits of metal out of the carpet.

Re:Anecdote time (2, Funny)

rbarreira (836272) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435770)

Have you RTFA?

Re:Anecdote time (4, Funny)

suso (153703) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435811)

Yes, that's why I subscribe to Slashdot(TM), so I can read things before you do.

Re:Anecdote time (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13435852)

Slashdot trolling phenomena make up a large subset of the bizarre and complex subculture found on the popular technology website Slashdot. They are a mixture of juvenilia, sarcasm, deliberately bad jokes, tasteless nonsense and highly developed and artistic attempts to provoke outraged responses from other forum users, or amuse them. Slashdot trolling is a subset and a microcosm of Internet trolling in general. Some of these behaviours are usually considered to be more offensive or insightful than others. On Slashdot, many of these phenomena have become the object of parody.

Slashdot trolls can generally be divided into four categories: disruptive, offensive, deceptive, and idiosyncratic. Disruptive trolls are those which intend to disrupt the normal flow of things on Slashdot, either by decreasing the signal-to-noise ratio or by causing the pages to render incorrectly. Offensive trolls exist for the sole purpose of offending as many people as possible. The purpose of deceptive trolls is to trick people into either following a link or reading a comment which seems legitimate but is actually a troll. Idiosyncratic trolls are those which are specific to Slashdot and have elements of Slashdot culture and history in them creating, in effect, an inside joke.
* 1 Disruptive trolls
o 1.1 Crapflooding
o 1.2 Page widening/lengthening
* 2 Offensive trolls
o 2.1 Homosexuality and racism
o 2.2 Anti-semitism
o 2.3 Nationalistic insults
* 3 Deceptive trolls
o 3.1 Karma Whores
o 3.2 Comment Plagiarism
o 3.3 Article text alteration trolls
o 3.4 Web vendor referral trolls
o 3.5 Signature trolls
o 3.6 Movie spoiler
o 3.7 300 Dead in Sri Lanka Tsunami
* 4 Idiosyncratic trolls
o 4.1 First post
o 4.2 Netcraft confirms it
o 4.3 Stephen King is dead
o 4.4 First Obituary
o 4.5 Hot grits/Natalie Portman
o 4.6 Reigniting flamewars
* 5 Minor trolls
* 6 See also

Disruptive trolls

The purpose of disruptive trolls is to cause the pages of Slashdot to display in an undesirable way or to otherwise bring attention to themselves. The two major categories of disruptive trolls are crapflooding and page-widening.


Crapflooding is the posting of many nonsensical or gratuitously offensive messages in order to disrupt the normal functioning of Slashdot and annoy its users and editors.

Later versions of the software behind the Slashdot website had an updated lameness filter to prevent posting of the same message more than once. However, crapflooders began avoiding this restriction by varying the content of the message after each post. Crapfloods can be performed manually with a dedicated user repeatedly clicking through the posting options each time, or automated by a piece of software. Automated crapfloods are -- not surprisingly -- larger, more effective and more frequent. The subject of crapflooded messages varies. Some examples include:

* Offtopic stories
* Pornographic/Homoerotic sex scenes with the names replaced with those of the slashdot editors or open source celebrities.
* Incoherent nonsense that contains the correct letter frequencies so the lameness filter recognises it as vaguely English.
* Offensive Base64 encoded images or text.

The original page widening posts were simple messages consisting of one long stream of characters with no spaces. This caused browsers to render a very wide page with horizontal scroll bars, making it nearly impossible to read the comments page. Slashdot began inserting spaces into any long run of characters to prevent this and so began the evolutionary battle between Slashcode and the page widening trolls. Newer and more inventive ways of causing page widening were discovered, with the use of blockquote tags and the "." character to cause extreme widening on Internet Explorer. These methods were also eventually closed off by the Slashdot editors. Improvements in browser software have also closed many of the loopholes used to widen pages.

Offensive trolls

Trolls in this category are those intended to be offensive, or those which take the reader to potentially offensive sites. A popular technique amongst Slashdot trolls is to post links to "shock sites" in order to annoy and offend other readers by tricking them into following the links. This is often accomplished by posting the link under the guise of being another link to the article or a rebuttal to the article.

A variation on this theme is for a troll to accuse a legitimate link or comment as being a link or reference to a shock site. In some cases this can have the desired effect of a genuinely insightful comment being moderated downward. Another technique is to embed a shock site link in a comment that otherwise appears relevant to the discussion, in the hope that unwitting moderators will mod up the post. The Holy Grail of any link troll is to slip a story submission containing a "shock site" link past the Slashdot editors. This situation occurred in July 2003 and June 2004 when disgruntled webmasters configured their servers to redirect to a shock site when the HTTP referrer was Slashdot.

One particular "shock site" which is overwhelmingly preferred to others is Goatse.cx. This has spawned a large number of other references such as ASCII art of its signature image (hello.jpg) within a square border, and with a derogatory word written inside the anus of the man in the picture. Troll postings often contain an ASCII art representation of some offensive image, often related to shock sites, with a nonsensical or provocative subject line. The 'Penis bird' troll, a crude ASCII representation of a bird perched on an erect penis, is a common variant, derived from the Penis bird image.

As a result of these trolling techniques, the Slashdot team introduced a feature which appends the domain name a link points to immediately behind that link in every comment to make disguising links more difficult. (e.g. "See Wikipedia article [wikipedia.org]") When this was implemented, people used mirrors and CGI redirection scripts run by Yahoo!, Slashdot or other servers to circumvent this measure.

Examples of shock sites include:

* Goat.cx - http://goat.cx/ [goat.cx] ('Goatse.cx')
* Penis bird - http://smoke.rotten.com/bird/ [rotten.com] - Original image from Rotten.com
* Tubgirl - http://www.redcoat.net/pics/tubgirl.jpg [redcoat.net] or http://www.tubgirl.com/ [tubgirl.com]

Homosexuality and racism

Homosexuality is one of the most versatile and popular trolling devices used. In its simplest form it may be used on its own in the form of a homophobic insult or as a feature of a pornographic troll featuring common Slashdot topics and celebrities. Goatse.cx (see above "shock site" section) also takes advantage of homophobia. Racism is another ploy, sometimes used for effect in conjunction with homosexuality which usually causes offense to individuals unfamiliar with it. At its crudest it simply takes the form of repeated racial insults. The Gay Nigger Association of America (GNAA) is an internet trolling organization commonly seen in Slashdot threads that uses this type of trolling device.


Anti-semitism, and Nazism in particular, is now considered highly offensive across the modern world, a fact exploited by some Slashdot trolls intent on causing maximum offense to the reader. The most basic anti-semitic trolls usually involve posting pro-Nazi statements such as "Heil Hitler", sometimes accompanied by a crude ASCII-art swastika, and are usually very promptly moderated down as Flamebait.

Less blatant trolls might involve anti-Jewish conspiracy theories, in the spirit of such conspiracy theories rampant during the late 19th and early 20th century.

In a somewhat related vein, trolls often inhabit science or technology stories concerning Israel, dropping into the discussion otherwise completely unrelated posts on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Given the nature and sensitivity of this subject, these comments are usually successful in their aim of igniting a flame war.

Nationalistic insults

One recurrent topic of discussion on Slashdot is the cultural quarrel between the United States and Europe. As an example, someone portraying themself as an American may run a joke on France, or may accuse Europeans of being "weenies" or not supporting democracy and civil rights. Someone portraying themself as a European may accuse Americans of lacking culture, or of being warmongers or "cowboys".

A similar subtopic includes banter about the differences between the United States and Canada. Usually an article about some perceived problem in the U.S. will elicit a claim of superiority from someone portraying themselves as Canadian. Often, to fan the flames, the American rebuttal will degenerate into Blame Canada.

The effect of such trolls is compounded by the immaturity and lack of political culture of many participants on both sides, who comment on foreign events they scarcely know about according to clichés seen in the mass media.

Deceptive trolls

Often, trolls are created with the purpose of tricking the reader into viewing offensive or misleading information, or to deceive them in some way.

Karma Whores

Karma is a scoring system on Slashdot meant to reward "good" posting and punish "bad" posting. The goal is that people who repeatedly post offensive, offtopic, or otherwise unwanted messages will be punished with a lower visibility of their messages, and those who post informative, insightful, or otherwise desirable messages are rewarded with a higher visibility. Karma whores are individuals, or messages themselves, that attempt to receive feedback in the form of karma points. Often these will be needless information (such as a link to a Wikipedia article relevant to the subject being discussed), or a message of a political nature that is in alignment with the groupthink so that it will be moderated upwards by people who agree with the stance expressed in the message.

Comment Plagiarism

An underappreciated technique that can waste a lot of karma points. The troll will search for a highly moderated post a few pages down from the beginning of the discussion, reword it slightly, and re-post it as a reply to an earlier comment. This troll relies on the readers' ignorance to game the moderation system. These posts usually recieve a lot of positive feedback in the beginning, and draw negative attention once the added visibility exposes the plagiarism. Normal discussions can crop up, from benign responses to the ripped-off comments. These replies create a multiplier to the overall karma waste, as moderators compete to raise and lower the visibility of the comments(insightful replies recieve positive feedback, though responses to trolls are typically moderated downward, to sink an entire tainted thread below the normal visible threshold)

Article text alteration trolls

Considered by many to be an effective satire of those who post comments consisting of a linked article's text (most often in case of the Slashdot effect) for positive moderation (see Karma whores), these are arguably some of the most creative and entertaining found on Slashdot. These trolls consist of the linked article's text, copied into a comment, usually accompanied by a subject line indicating that the site has been slashdotted. One or more words, phrases, or paragraphs are covertly inserted or modified to form a subversive or offensive message not present in the original article. These can be in the form of film or book spoilers, or words changed to produce sexual innuendoes, amongst other things. Often moderators will 'mod-up' the comment based solely on its title and the overall appearance of the text, assuming that the comment is helpfully providing the verbatim text of the unavailable site. Comments that have been repeatedly modded-up become more visible and carry an air of validity. Troll comments that fool more moderators therefore trick more readers.

When other users spot the troll, many of them respond with comments warning other users of the deception and asking moderators to decrease the troll's visibility. The most concise posts are empty with the emphatic subject line: "TROLL - MOD PARENT DOWN". Other users go further by pointing out each instance where the troll post differs from the original article. This phenomenon has trolls of its own, wherein a response will describe extra changes that are not present in the original troll post. This "troll-on-troll" phenomenon further increases confusion. Still more confusion is introduced when trolls respond to "Mod Parent Down" comments with rebuttals claiming that the original troll was a legitimate copy of the article, and that it is instead the accusers who are the trolls. Depending on the subtlety and believability of the changes, readers may remain confused until the site with the original article becomes available again. Unfortunately, because of the nature of the Slashdot effect, the original article may not become available again until most readers have lost interest and moved on.

"Mod Parent Down" posts are sometimes seen as comments on legitimate posts, presumably as an attempt to disrupt the thread. Examples of this type of troll: An example of the kind of post that ATTs are satirizing, "gradual as michael easing himself into taco's backside", "Orbital brothels, Delta Clitter", "an operator took my contact info and said I would get a fat cock up the ass soon"

Web vendor referral trolls

Amazon, Barnes and Noble, and some other WWW vendors have a system whereby a user can post links on their (or others) websites, and gain a small commission per person following the link. These trolls post what appear to be discussion, with links to source material, but are really elaborate advertisements. For example: this post.

Signature trolls

Signature trolls are an advanced and effective method of trolling, commonly used in reviews of software. The troll posts an insightful comment, which is moderated up based on its merit. The troll then changes his post signature to include an extra link, usually to a shock site. Comments on Slashdot cannot be edited after posting, but the user's signature text is updated within the comment whenever the user changes it. When the troll changes his signature, the malicious link becomes part of the highly-moderated comment. With careful wording, the signature can seamlessly blend in with the post and trick many readers. Slashdot has an option to put a signature separator consisting of --, but this was not the default until late 2004.

The dynamic signature can cause even more confusion, when the troll changes his signature back to make his accusers appear false. As the accusatory comments receive negative moderation for appearing false, the accusers lose points from their karma score, resulting in another victory for the troll. An example of a signature troll is: this.

Movie spoiler

This is a more subtle troll than most. It consists, for the most part, of a genuinely insightful comment split into several paragraphs, with the middle or penultimate paragraph containing one or more movie spoilers.

300 Dead in Sri Lanka Tsunami

Another red herring similar to the Stephen King is dead troll, this often consists of an announcement that a tsunami has killed over 300 people in Sri Lanka, with a link to an old or unrelated news item. In some cases, the troll chides the community for caring about trivial tech issues over the welfare of tsunami victims in other parts of the world. A successful Sri Lanka tsunami troll will either drive participants to news sites searching for more information, or attract responses from members eager to show witty nonchalance, usually via Nationalistic insults. Example troll on Slashdot.

Idiosyncratic trolls

Trolls that don't fall into the other three categories are idiosyncratic, and their existence is a result of an inside joke related to the workings of Slashdot culture or history or of geek culture itself.

First post

Whenever a new story is posted on Slashdot, comments may be added discussing it and there is often competition between Slashdotters to be the first to post such a comment. Some first posters try to make a short insightful comment to avoid being moderated down. The more immature first posts often consist of a subject saying "first post!" or merely "FP" and have no body. Trolls may also post "first post" messages a ridiculously long time after the original story has been submitted as a parody of the first post. There are many other variants of the first post, usually misspellings to avoid the lameness filter: "Frist psot!". Some troll organizations require prospective members to post a 'First Post' on Slashdot using some pre-specified text, which may explain the persistence of the 'First Post' troll.

Due to the many typos and misspellings made by those attempting to gain such a 'first post', the language has been somewhat transformed. Many 'first post' attempts now say such things as "Frosty Piss", coming from the phrase "frist pist", a common typo when trying to spell out "First Post" in time to actually get one, or in attempt to avoid the lameness filter.

Netcraft confirms it

Quite frequently (especially for BSD-related stories) a comment will be posted providing dubious statistics from Netcraft (a network services vendor and internet research firm) and many links detailing the forthcoming death of the BSD operating systems. With its bogus statistics and inflammatory language the original "*BSD is dying" troll was enormously successful, and was still guaranteed to generate responses years after it first appeared. The troll typically starts with the phrase, "Netcraft confirms is dying", modelled after similar but authentic confirmations revealed by Netcraft in their research. Not surprisingly, many variants of this troll were created: Slashdot/VA Linux/Linux/BeOS/Apple (see examples below) is dying, variants on the original link-laden *BSD troll, and even elaborate poetry and song. None were as successful as the original.

Stephen King is dead

Used simply as an off-topic troll or even a red herring, the American writer, Stephen King, has his very own subculture repeating the myth of his death:

The canonical text of the troll is as follows:

Subject: Netcraft Confirms it ... Stephen King, dead at 54

I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci Fi writer Stephen King was found dead in his Maine home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

This joke has also been used to recognize actual celebrity deaths. The format has also been used outside of Slashdot, usually on other message boards, to announce or memorialize actual deaths.

First Obituary

A variation of the "First Post" and "Stephen King" troll. When a famous celebrity or politician's death reaches the headlines there is often an attempt to make that headline part of the first post.

Hot grits/Natalie Portman

Early in Slashdot's history, an anonymous troll (aka the "hot grits guy") would post a reply to every story with a simple "I have poured hot grits down my pants. Thank you." While he mostly got modded down as a troll, the hot grits guy is really the first recurring troll on Slashdot.

Natalie Portman is a popular target for this troll. When referring to her, they frequently profess their endless love for a "naked and petrified" statue of the actress, preferably covered in hot grits. Other incarnations suggest that Natalie Portman pour hot grits into the trolls' underwear, and vice versa.

Reigniting flamewars

Popular on software and development articles, this troll tries to explain why a particular operating system, programming language or other concept is inferior to others, in a way intended to annoy, intending to start a flamewar. This type of troll will either make an outlandish and obvious claim or subtly use a valid criticism of something in an irritating fashion.

For example:

* "DRM is the future"
* "The K in KDE stands for Krap."
* "Why would I want a desktop with a smelly foot on it?"
* "Linux has below average SMP support."
* "My BSD machines have much better uptimes and stability than my Linux machines."
* "Apple Computer will never sell a computer that uses multi-button mice"
* "Object-oriented programming is difficult to use and doesn't increase productivity."
* "Open source software has poorer levels of QA than proprietary solutions."
* "PHP is a toy language for kids."
* "Python scales up for large projects better than Perl."
* "IPv6 adds too much new overhead to be viable."
* "Perl 6 is a mistake."

These types of post, usually moderated down as flamebait (but often moderated up as Insightful), sometimes cause a flamewar to begin amongst those who reply and thus the troll gets his 'bite' (See You Have Been Trolled et al.).

Minor trolls

The following are either set phrases or formulae for the construction of semicliché phrases posted with the intent of either annoying or amusing other readers. More and more commonly, it is a combination of the two.

* The Get Some PRIORITIES! troll began to appear after the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attacks. A classic offtopic troll, it employs highly hyperbolic language to criticize the other posters and Slashdot in general for discussing trivialities like new gadgets or changes in U.S. copyright law in the wake of such a horrific event.
* The Think about your breathing troll causes the user to think about their breathing, and it claims to be the most effective troll ever.
* The Think about your parents having hot sweaty sex next time you masturbate troll intends to implant offensive images in the mind of the reader the next time he or she masturbates.
* The Is it good or is it whack? troll: This troll responds to a comment by asking of the comment's subject, "What's [subject] all about? Is it good or is it whack?". In general, this troll aims to suggest wide-eyed naïveté about a well-understood subject. This phrase comes from the popular comic character in the UK and the US, Ali G.
* The I Fail It! / I succeed it! trolls originally came from the computer game Blazing Star in which the game over message read: "You fail it! Your skill is not enough, see you next time, bye-bye".
* The My freelance gig in front of a Mac trolls appear in virtually every discussion about Apple Computer. The troll claims to have witnessed taking 20 minutes to copy a 17 MB file from one folder to another and proceeds to question all Apple users as to their platform choice. It is a straight forward copy-and-paste from a weblog entry by Jason Kottke. It has also led to some very inspired and amusing parodies.
* The I find your ideas intriguing / interesting and wish to subscribe to your newsletter / journal troll is a common sycophantic reply to a post that may or may not have merit. (See this post for an example.) (This is a quote from an episode of The Simpsons.)
* The Stalkers are trolls who fixate on a user and reply to all their posts anonymously usually repeating some sort of an insult.
* Subject line trolls primarily consist of an inflammatory subject line and nothing else, but some have been seen where the comment is valid, but the subject consists simply of GOATSE repeated to the maximum length.
* Chinese Torture of Tibetan Nuns appears occasionally as a reply to a topic with a fairly inane segue to wrench the topic over to the torture of Tibetan nuns by Chinese soldiers. The posting always includes a link to Physicians for Human Rights and their papers on torture of the Tibetan people. The lurid image of a Tibetan nun being raped with a cattle prod is sometimes invoked.
* We Tried Working With... is a cut and paste troll made infamous by anti-slash.org. The troll starts out by telling a story of an employer who evaluates based on an employee recommendation. The troll then goes into how great is, but then goes into how the new thing destroyed their company project - which leads to the dismissal of the employee who suggested the evaluation.

Re:Anecdote time (3, Funny)

Alexis Boulva (873401) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435829)

Just give your computer *Zed* for a hostname...then you'll enjoy the meticulous job, Marcellus...

Re:Anecdote time (0, Troll)

MSFanBoi (695480) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435830)

Funny thats EXCACTLY how I feel when "using" Linux. But since this is Slashdot, that makes me a troll.

Re:Anecdote time (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13436024)

>> Funny thats EXCACTLY how I feel when "using" Linux. But since this is Slashdot, that makes me a troll.

Hi! It looks like you're trolling Slashdot. Would you like me to check your spelling of the word "exactly"?

Re:Anecdote time (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13436049)

suso webhosting [suso.com]. no disk space quotas and personal support.

This is snake oil. You mean to tell me, I can simply "cat /dev/random > foo" for months, and you won't tell me I'm using up too much disk space? That I can host every Linux ISO under the sun, and you won't kick me off your service?

The truth is, you do have a quota, you just either haven't decided wha it is yet, or you don't want people to know what it is. There's no such thing as no quota.

When was the last time you edited a .conf? (5, Insightful)

garcia (6573) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435744)

Reason number one: Linux is too complicated

Linux *is* too complicated for a good many people but it doesn't have anything to do w/the system design or how it works. It's too complicated because it's different from what they use every day at work and at home.

Yes, it doesn't take that long to learn how to move around in the UI and find the alternative software that Linux runs. It's just different. People don't have enough time to eat, sleep, pay attention to their kids, or take their garbage cans in... They aren't going to have the time to install, adapt, and change the habits they learned using Windows for the past 15-20 years.

Compare that with Windows where, it's possible -- not likely, but possible -- that you'll need to use a command line now and again, or edit the Windows registry, where, as they like to tell you, one wrong move could destroy your system forever.

You know, I consider myself knowledgeable with computers. I run multiple OSs at home and have run many more over the course of my life. You know how many times I've edited the system registry since its inception? Less than 5. I really doubt that anyone *needs* to edit their registry ever.

You know how many times I've had to edit a configuration file on Linux? I just did it 12 times yesterday alone for two different programs. Will editing a .conf file on Linux crash your system? Maybe, maybe not, depends on what you're doing. But the likelihood that someone would have to do that editing is higher on Linux.

I love Linux. I use it on my servers, I use it on my desktops, and I use it on my entertainment center, where it powers my HDTV TiVo and my D-Link DSM-320 media player, which turns my network into a media library with terabytes of storage. Heck, I even run Linux on my Linksys WRT54G Wi-Fi access points, which hook the whole shebang together.

When was the last time you had to edit a configuration file with a text editor on your Tivo? I never have. When was the last time you had to fire up your WRT54G and wonder what all the fsck messages were? Never. Just because Linux is being used to power the device does not mean it wasn't designed to be user friendly. Most people don't surf the web and write research papers with a remote control or by hitting a recessed hard-reset button.

I realize that this was a tongue-in-cheek article and I realize that it was mildly humorous but I just really felt that it was just as bad as Microsoft claiming that Linux costs more. This bullshit where Linux users fault non-Linux users for not switching because of the lack of difficulty is just bullshit.

Linux isn't easy and it does have a learning curve. Most people just don't care to take the time to learn it.

I wonder if Microsoft just releases their "research" to give us stuff to make fun of :) Maybe they have the sense of humor! :)

Bzzzttt!!!!! (2, Insightful)

dsginter (104154) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435768)

It's too complicated because it's different from what they use every day at work and at home.

Then how come OSX is so freakin' easy for everyone to use? It only takes a few minutes.

Most slashdotters remind me of this guy [ubergeek.tv] .

Re:Bzzzttt!!!!! (5, Insightful)

garcia (6573) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435795)

Then how come OSX is so freakin' easy for everyone to use? It only takes a few minutes.

Actually, I find OS X the most difficult to use at times probably because it's the most "different" for me.

OS X is a terrible interface in my experience (5, Interesting)

gosand (234100) | more than 9 years ago | (#13436019)

Actually, I find OS X the most difficult to use at times probably because it's the most "different" for me.

I have never been a Mac person. I just don't get it. Then OS X came out, and all I heard was how awesome it was. More unixy? Sounds good. I went into an Apple store in a mall where they had all the cool, shiny goodness. I played with it for a while. Hated it. Frustrating. It didn't make any sense to me. A couple of years later, and I acquired a Mac at work as a test machine. My machine was down for a day for some new hardware, so I used the Mac. Horrible, unproductive day. To me, that intuitive interface is like trying to pound nails with a carrot. A bright, shiny, pretty carrot, but just a carrot.

I am not bashing it, I am just saying it isn't for me. And I hope that I am not the only one out there.

Re:Bzzzttt!!!!! (5, Insightful)

melquiades (314628) | more than 9 years ago | (#13436042)

Familiarity is by far the largest factor in ease of use.

Anything can start to feel comfortable given enough exposure. Why is popular music popular? Because they play it over and over and over. (People often confuse cause and effect in this one: it's usually popular because of the repetition, not the other way around.)

Use nothing but OS X for a year and everything else will seem awkward. Same goes for any other OS.

Re:Bzzzttt!!!!! (2, Interesting)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435846)

Yeah,when you create a new folder and give it a name it suddenly dissapears, that is real easy.

That's the only thing I can think of off the top of my head, but there are dozens oflittle make things easier mechanisms that really make it harder.

Re:Bzzzttt!!!!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13435910)

WTF are you talking about? I can't say I've ever seen this behaviour on my Mac.

Re:Bzzzttt!!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13435990)

I don't even know how to make a folder in OS X.

Re:Bzzzttt!!!!! (-1, Troll)

youknowmewell (754551) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435902)

Oh, that's easy: the mouse only has one button. And magic.

Linux lusers just dont get it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13435937)

Unix sucked until Steve Jobs made it useful and user friendly. You should thank Steve Jobs for reviving Unix, not Linux. Linux is just too clunky for almost everybody to use. Mac has a 20 year legacy of usability and it's compatible with Microsoft products.

Just buy a mac ;-)

Re:Bzzzttt!!!!! (1)

LnxAddct (679316) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435999)

Err... I myself find OS X very awkward to use. The only reason I have ever bought Apple was for the hardware and then I plop linux on it. In fact, I know many, many people who don't like the whole general design of OS X. Everything from the dock bar to the hierarchy of things. Its only easy if you are familiar with it, as with all things there is a learning curve. The learning curve for linux is significantly smaller. One personal example is that my girlfriend is currently borrowing my laptop (running Fedora) and was fully comfortable with it up in under a half hour. Once her laptop comes in the mail, she'll probably be running Windows again, but its good to know that during her first week or two back at school she'll still have a laptop to use that is fully functional and won't give her any shit. She's loving it so far.

Re:Bzzzttt!!!!! (1)

databyss (586137) | more than 9 years ago | (#13436004)

I fail to see what OSX has to do with a discussion on Linux.

If this were a BSD discussion I could see maybe some sort of connection.

Re:Bzzzttt!!!!! (1)

jim_v2000 (818799) | more than 9 years ago | (#13436044)

Because Linux, my friends, is not intuitive enough for the everyday user. I'm not saying it's not a great OS, it just takes more technical smarts to know how to use than Windoze or OS X.

Re:When was the last time you edited a .conf? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13435831)

mobile phone is often much easier to use than windows...

Re:When was the last time you edited a .conf? (4, Insightful)

arth1 (260657) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435848)

Garcia (6573) wrote:
Yes, it doesn't take that long to learn how to move around in the UI and find the alternative software that Linux runs. It's just different. People don't have enough time to eat, sleep, pay attention to their kids, or take their garbage cans in... They aren't going to have the time to install, adapt, and change the habits they learned using Windows for the past 15-20 years.

I have a problem with this (apart from the obvious -- that Windows hasn't been around for the past 15-20 years) -- how is causing people to choose Windows as their first system?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that for people getting their first system, Windows is even more common than average. This obviously isn't because they're used to it.

Until you see nearly as many Linux boxes in the store as Windows boxes, and schools give kids Linux boxes, Windows will have an advantage.


Re:When was the last time you edited a .conf? (4, Informative)

garcia (6573) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435885)

I'm confused:

I have a problem with this (apart from the obvious -- that Windows hasn't been around for the past 15-20 years)

This is 2005. From what I remember Windows 1.0 was released 11/85. Would you have been more satisfied if I had said 15-19.5 years?

Re:When was the last time you edited a .conf? (1)

GreatBunzinni (642500) | more than 9 years ago | (#13436038)

I have a problem with this (apart from the obvious -- that Windows hasn't been around for the past 15-20 years) -- how is causing people to choose Windows as their first system?

This causes people to choose Windows as their first system because someone they know only used windows in his lifetime and suggest that the newbie adopts windows. And then the newbie becomes experienced and when someone he knows thinks of getting a computer, what does he suggests? You got it. Windows. An then that newbie becomes experienced and... It is a vicious circle.

And, of course, then the companies adopt windows because "everybody uses it" and then the newbies adopt windows because "all the companies use it". There's another vicious circle for you.

So you see, that's why.

Re:When was the last time you edited a .conf? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13435921)

"and change the habits they learned using Windows for the past 15-20 years."

Dude, I know I got my copy of windows XP before it was released, but I don't think anyone was good enough to get windows 95 before 1990, and Windows any Windows older than that was different enough that you had to re-learn the system.

Re:When was the last time you edited a .conf? (4, Insightful)

xtracto (837672) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435933)

Reason number three: Linux doesn't have enough applications

Really now. I mean, most Linux systems only come with secure Web browsers, like Firefox; e-mail clients, like Evolution; IM clients, like GAIM; office suites, like OpenOffice.org 2.0; Web page editors, like Nvu; and on, and on, and...

People do not want new different IM clients or email or web editors or office suites or whatever, people want THE software their are used to use. Unless the other "new" software is identical to the old software they used to use they wont use it.

As someone else said previously in /. when people is changing to a new technology, they are looking for something that is BETTER, EASIER and that will yield them less inconveniences than the technology they are actually using. And yes, the learning curve is an inconvenience for all of the people that DO NOT CARE about how computers work.

Sorry to be the one to tell it but, that is the main reason all the Joe and Jane User keep using their old buggy software.

Re:When was the last time you edited a .conf? (5, Insightful)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435962)

I think the first three points in the article are entirely valid reasons to stay away from it as a desktop. I use Linux for servers, in a MythTV system, in my APs, but not as my desktop.

And the claim that Windows is a prohibitive fraction of the computer's price, it isn't. Scuttlebutt is that the OEM licence is around $40 in volume.

You can say Linux is free in several senses, but time getting used to the new system, and frurstration are costs that Linux proponents don't consider. Relearning how to use every type of program is a daunting task for someone that just wants to USE their computer, not fiddle with it. I simply have gotten used to Windows, know how to keep it stable and how to protect it, and very little of that knowledge transfers.

You HAVE to edit your registry (1)

gosand (234100) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435974)

I really doubt that anyone *needs* to edit their registry ever.

I have had to edit the registry many many times. Normally it is to tweak something that Windows doesn't want me to tweak, or to remove programs that Windows won't let me remove. Or to eliminate spyware and crap that inherently collects on a Windows machine.

Re:When was the last time you edited a .conf? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13436001)

I really doubt that anyone *needs* to edit their registry ever.

I once had a Dell laptop that came with some version of Norton Antivirus... but the antivirus software was never really functional, and it just couldn't be uninstalled by normal measures. In addition, newer versions of NAV wouldn't install until this version was uninstalled, which was... just not possible without removing *every single key* from the registry referencing Norton, Symantec, or antivirus software. Once this was done, however, the newer antivirus software installed just fine.

Re:When was the last time you edited a .conf? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13436016)

People don't have enough time to eat, sleep, pay attention to their kids, or take their garbage cans in...

If they'd cut out the unspoken standard time consumers of drinking and television they'd get more than enough time back to learn and grow, rather than barely meeting status quo.

Re:When was the last time you edited a .conf? (1)

Perl-Pusher (555592) | more than 9 years ago | (#13436028)

You know how many times I've had to edit a configuration file on Linux? I just did it 12 times yesterday alone for two different programs

You couldn't edit it just twice? You had to re-edit 10 times? Couldn't read more than one line at time? I noticed you didn't say which 2 programs. Because just about every single desktop program has a settings menu and the are quite a few server and system setup utilities such as Yast, Webmin etc. I've had had to edit the registry several times over the years. Mostly to remove spyware,viruses and to get a periphial card card to work now and then. I can't say I ever had to edit a configuration file to fix spyware in linux. I have edited configuration files quite a bit too, not because I have to. Because I can and many times it's just simpler. I can read and edit several files in a tabbed editor at once. In fact I can copy those files and use as template and with a small bit of perl I can then replicate that across the entire network. You can to but first may I suggest http://www.mindperk.com/EvelynWood.htm [slashdot.org] >Evelyn Wood it might help you get over that one line at at a time issue. Don't be ashamed, I find that many windows users are similarly afflicted. It's how they learned using regedit.

Plus they move the .conf files around (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13436040)

between distros and releases. When you get a new distro or release, you have to figure out where the .conf files are, or if they've changed, what the new ones are. Plus if the .conf file is auto generated by a system management facility, you are pretty much guaranteed that not all options will be supported, leaving you with the somewhat dodgey prospect of editing a auto generated file.

Flamebait (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13435746)

It's a pity we can't moderate stories as flamebait

Such a sacarstic moron (1, Interesting)

AArnott (751989) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435753)

See my formal response to Five reasons to NOT use Linux [blogspot.com] .

Re:Such a sacarstic moron (-1, Flamebait)

sjaskow (143707) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435887)

Um, I realize this is /. but did you actually read TFA? It actually comes across as very pro Linux, not the other way around.

God, you bloggers are such morons sometimes.

Re:Such a sacarstic moron (1, Funny)

AArnott (751989) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435975)

If you would have actually read my blog, you'd have seen that I had read the article. My article discusses how the 5 reasons NOT to use linux the author gives actually are VALID, whereas he sarcastically makes them all invalid. Yes, it's s a rebuttal to the article after all. Gosh, you criticizers can be such morons sometimes.

Re:Such a sacarstic moron (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13435987)

Umm... I realize you're a moron but did you actually read TFB? It actually comes across as very pro MS, not the other way around.

I guess I already covered the moron thing so...

Re:Such a sacarstic moron (2, Interesting)

PaxTech (103481) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435981)

Your response is just so much nitpicking, half of which is besides the point of the original article.

For example, you say Linux needs patches too, so as far as security goes Linux and Windows are even. Really? How urgent are those patches? If I have a fresh Linux install vs. a fresh Windows install, which do I have more time to patch before it gets owned? Then you go off on a tangent about how Linux makes it difficult to share files with other users on the same box because it lacks ACLs, while completely glossing over the fact that you almost have to constantly run as an Administrator under windows just to allow your apps to work.

You complain that Linux is too complicated, and your example contrasts Apache vs. IIS, while the article is talking about desktop machines..

I could go on, but there's not much point. Anyone trying to claim Windows is as secure as Linux since both require patches is either completely deluded or has an axe to grind.

Re:Such a sacarstic moron (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13436020)

your blog sucks

Wow (0, Troll)

chrisgeleven (514645) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435763)

That server lasted just a few seconds...the Slashdot effect is slipping my friends!

Re:Wow (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13435783)

That server lasted just a few seconds...the Slashdot effect is slipping my friends!

Maybe it was running Linux? *ducks*

Mirrordot link (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13435850)

Here [mirrordot.org]

Kinda funny, but... (3, Funny)

Crixus (97721) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435773)

The article was mildly amusing, but on the whole it seemed like a bit of a sarcastic rant. Not that I don't like those, but I expect more out of a Slashdot headline story.

Reason: Choice. (3, Funny)

CdXiminez (807199) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435789)

A reason not to use Linux: Choice.

Many distro's of Linux to choose from, so many applications to choose from...
Man, choosing is almost like thinking, it's hard!

Re:Reason: Choice. (2, Interesting)

El Royo (907295) | more than 9 years ago | (#13436041)

Actually, this is one of the problems I have. I want to install Linux once and not have to fret over 'Did I choose a distro I'm going to regret?' Will I choose one with KDE and then decide I really wanted Gnome? Will my distro have an easy to use patch/download system that will update frequently enough that I can get the things I want when I want them? I haven't found good answers to these questions.

I realize that I can overcome all these problems by downloading tarballs and building things myself. But the fact of the matter is I don't want to do that much tinkering.

What a waste of time (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13435793)

Articles that repeat the same thoughts, with the same juvenile tone as this one, will be the one reason I will leave this site, for the simple reason that they attract the same people, with the same juvenile attitudes as the author of this article.

My no1 hate (2, Interesting)

LordSnooty (853791) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435794)

Gee, this article didn't even mention it (not that I can get to it, going off the reply on the blog linked below). Man pages. And info, come to that matter. How often does Google become the default man page. I suppose most would brand this a virtue.

The one reason they forgot: (5, Insightful)

Ihlosi (895663) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435812)


Re:The one reason they forgot: (2, Insightful)

mrL1nX (798019) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435865)

I haven't read the article (slashdotted) but I would say that that is the only correct reason why Windows is slightly better than Linux.

Re:The one reason they forgot: (1)

mailtomomo (776971) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435888)

Doom, Quake, Unreal tournament, tribal trouble, pontifex 2, gish, tuxracer, frozen bubble [...]
you find a lot of linux games when you search for it.

Re:The one reason they forgot: (2, Interesting)

Kjuib (584451) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435942)

what about some of the other games of the year?
Blizzard Games? Half-life(for Counter-Strike only)

I think it is funny when games say PC on them.. meaning they run on the PC... when they mean Windows PC... many dont run on Macs or Linux distros... they could split them a little more.. or have 2.. Console or PC... that would confuse people...

Re:The one reason they forgot: (3, Insightful)

KtHM (732769) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435960)

Those aren't the ones people want to play. They want to play The Sims, World of Warcraft, Half Life 2...

Who gives a shit about Tux Racer?

Re:The one reason they forgot: (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13435894)

Way to stick it to the man!

(Next time aim lower.. try the groin)

Re:The one reason they forgot: (1)

mothlos (832302) | more than 9 years ago | (#13436015)

They also forgot legacy business software. You know that hack job Jimmy made back in '97 that runs everything in the company, everybody hates to use, but you can't live without? My company runs Linux on most of its boxes, but we have to rdesktop into a Windows machine to get anything done.

And 10 reasons to use SCO OpenServer6 instead... (5, Funny)

GillBates0 (664202) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435819)

...straight from the horse's mouth [darlmcbride.com] :

1. OpenServer 6 Costs Less
2. SCO Has a Superior Kernel
3. OpenServer Has Better Security
4. SCO Has a Customer-Driven Roadmap
5. OpenServer 6 is Backward Compatible
6. SCO Allows You to Focus on Your Core Competency
7. SCO Owns and Warrantees its Products
8. SCO is Unifying its Code Base
9. SCO UNIX: Legendary Reliability
10. SCO Has an Award-Winning Support Team

Read TFL for buzzwordy drivel and meaningless tripe from Darryl himself. Didn't know he'd registered a website in his name to spout his n0nsense.

Objections (5, Insightful)

Bimo_Dude (178966) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435822)

While I think it's a good idea to write an article that addresses some of the common objections to switching to Linux, I think that having the article written in such a flamebaitish manner undermines the whole thing.

Also, when trying to discuss the benefits of alternative operating systems, it does not help the argument if you (by this, I mean the writer of the article) come off as being sarcastic and condescending.

My $.02 anyway.

Linux installs still hit and miss (3, Insightful)

kgruscho (801766) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435823)

Ive tried several different linux distros on computers including my homebuilt Asus A7N8x-e deluxe AMD system and pentium 4 dell's at my lab. Ati 9600 level graphics on them.

None of them boot DSL properly. Mandrake Move no. Gentoo liveCD works, can install gentoo, but massive pains in getting the bootloader to work with drive due to the existance of SATA.

Your mileage will vary, until Linux gets better simpler support for hardware, especially with regards to X, ive yet to get X to run without having to abuse myself relearning conf files, don't even compare them to windows.

Re:Linux installs still hit and miss (1)

Attrition_cp (888039) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435971)

Just FYI, but I run an Asus A7V8X-X on an ATi 9800 Pro, and have had similar problems as yours, but I've found that Ubuntu installs just fine every time, no reconfig.

Good luck getting ATi video drivers to work with 3d accel though.. I mean I've done it.. once..

Re:Linux installs still hit and miss (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13436006)

first off you need computer basic training..

boot dsl? you connect to dsl for internet... do not try to boot it...

and what kind of mandrake move no are you using? that comment made no sense.

funny part is that X works perfectly out of the box with any modern distro overthe past 4 years.

high end distros for experts like gentoo and slackware? that's like giving a 16 year old a Ferarri.... you dont do that. give him the VW bug with automatic and rubbvert bumpers

I suggest you actually know something about computers before you start messing with linux .

Re:Linux installs still hit and miss (1)

FictionPimp (712802) | more than 9 years ago | (#13436018)

bootloader trouble with sata? When did you try 2 years ago?

I haven't had an ide hard drive in years. All I've ever had to do was this.

grub-install /dev/sda

and of course setup my grub.conf file. But that is the same no matter if its ide or sata.

What's a command line? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13435827)

Most Windows users have never even heard of it even though it's on their Start Menu, never mind the registry which requires you to type a COMMAND into the command line.

This guy is saying what? That he can ignore the blindingly obvious truths of why "Linux sucks" for a basic user by pulling the "it's free and this distro can boot without you touching it and that distro comes with programs installed"?

Don't think he's stroking the userbase hard enough.

Reason #6 (4, Funny)

iCEBaLM (34905) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435835)

You already have MacOS X :D

Linux doesn't have enough applications... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13435838)

And there it is... I know it was an attempt at sarcasm, but until you can give me BF2, SWG, WoW, and HL2 without sacrificing a crap ton of performance (cedega I'm talking about you), I'll stick with Windows. Linux can power my webserver like no other, but I have no use for a linux desktop.

Re:Linux doesn't have enough applications... (1)

teknomage1 (854522) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435982)

And there it is... I know it was an attempt at sarcasm, but until you can give me BF2, SWG, WoW, and HL2 without sacrificing a crap ton of performance (cedega I'm talking about you), I'll stick with Windows. Linux can power my webserver like no other, but I have no use for a linux desktop.

Any non-gamers have trouble parsing all those acronyms?

No. 1 Reason (-1)

Undaar (210056) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435858)

That damn penguin keeps sh*tting on my carpet!

Biggest reason not to use Linux: (0, Offtopic)

suitepotato (863945) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435864)


Even with a quad proc dual core server and sixteen gigs of memory with gig-e you still can't resist the sheer might of the Slashdot effect. Linux wilts, Apache dies, the hard drive melts. I'm not sure if an IBM mainframe could withstand it.

I guess I will have to rtfa later...

Not my experience (1)

burtdub (903121) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435866)

In my experience using Linux:
  1. It's been a pain to install
  2. Took me hours to figure out how to watch Homestar Runner
  3. Gotten me trapped in dependency hell every time I try to install something.
  4. Garbled any document I ever tried to send to people
  5. Formatted my iPod

I like Linux plenty, but I don't think it's quite there yet.

Re:Not my experience (0)

someone300 (891284) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435929)

Sounds more to me like the distro you used isn't quite there yet

Slash-dud (3, Informative)

jeff_schiller (877821) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435869)

One thing the article steps around is the fact that many people like to use their computer for games. In that respect, the availability of Windows titles DOES dwarf Linux availability. So this, a sarcastic and biased rant about Linux being better than Windows, is headline news, whereas a story involving Opera turning 10 years old today [opera.com] and giving away its desktop browser licenses (happening NOW) is rejected by the /. mods.

Re:Slash-dud (0, Offtopic)

Attrition_cp (888039) | more than 9 years ago | (#13436025)

Well, it sucks that the submission was rejected, but I for one am glad to know about the free licence :)

Thank you.

Mind you... (2, Insightful)

gunpowda (825571) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435870)

I don't see reasons 1 & 2 as being particularly far-fetched from the point of view of your average consumer - the usability experience still needs a lot of work before it's completely ready as a Windows replacement, and although the site is taking this point to extremes, there's still a germ of truth in there.

What about games? (1)

glassjaw rocks (793596) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435877)

"Reason number three: Linux doesn't have enough applications
Really now. I mean, most Linux systems only come with secure Web browsers, like Firefox; e-mail clients, like Evolution; IM clients, like GAIM; office suites, like OpenOffice.org 2.0; Web page editors, like Nvu; and on, and on, and..."

This may be all fine and dandy, however, what about the games? I, and I'm sure many others, don't own a computer just to sit and do work on it. Games. If you ask me, that's the single biggest thing holding Linux back from being installed on many more systems.

Coral Cache (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13435907)

http://www.linux-watch.com.nyud.net:8090/news/NS81 24627492.html [nyud.net]

Would it be too much to ask the editors to supply coral cache links whenever they post a story? Or have they not heard of the slashdot effect?

For me, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13435909)

I'm equally comfortable with both operating systems, yet my home computer is Windows! Here's why:

Every day I use: ssh, emacs, Photoshop, Eclipse and Firefox.

On Windows I can use: ssh, emacs, Photoshop, Eclipse and Firefox.

On Linux I can use: ssh, emacs, Eclipse, and Firefox.

Re:For me, (1)

paranerd (672669) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435959)

True. But on Linux I can run Gimp, send money to goodly causes, and have enough left over to upgrade my graphics card

Re:For me, (1)

paranerd (672669) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435988)

Plus, I don't deal with DRM, Ad-Aware, Zotob....

Re:For me, (-1, Troll)

KtHM (732769) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435994)

After using Photoshop, the Gimp is a nightmare. Who designed the interface? *cringe*

reason 6 (1)

b17bmbr (608864) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435913)

how do you pronounce the name? leenix? luhnix? lienux? I just don't know.


Coralized link... (2, Informative)

Guano_Jim (157555) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435918)

Coralized link [nyud.net] so you might actually be able to read TFA.

It's not that hard folks, just append .nyud.net:8090 to the first part of your URLs when submitting.

e.g: http://www.linux-watch.com.nyud.net:8090/news/NS81 24627492.html [nyud.net]

Re:Coralized link... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13436035)

Or if you'd prefer, simply add the script referenced here [mozdev.org] to your Greasemonkey setup and, poof, instant coral and mirrordot links.

Support (3, Informative)

thc69 (98798) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435925)

From article:
Reason number 5: Linux is more expensive

Are you calling Microsoft a liar? Those nasty Linux companies, like Red Hat or Novell/SUSE charge you a fee for support.
He goes on to describe why Windows is more expensive through purchase cost in your computer and in additional software. He fails to mention that Microsoft charges for support after two calls:
2 support request(s) submitted online or by a phone call are included at no charge. Unlimited installation support is available by phone at no charge.

(866) 234-6020
All additional support requests are $35.00 US per request or use an existing contract

(800) 936-5700
Advanced Issues $245.00 US
(from http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?ln=e n-us&x=18&y=6&c1=509&gprid=3221& [microsoft.com] )

Reason number two: Linux is a pain to set up (2)

Hapless (38242) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435926)

Well, it may be relatively easy to install a given distribution from scratch on a fresh system. But heaven help you if you need to add a driver for a new printer that wasn't supported by the version of cups/gimp-print/foomatic that shipped with your distro. A quick trip to the source code outlet and a weekend's googling, debugging and cataloguing all the RPMs/DEBs that are now invalid and we're back in action? Pah.

Not to mention good old wireless networking. Thanks to the joys of wireless USB on linux, I'll have to rebuild linux-wlan-ng every time there's a security update to download for my otherwise stock kernel. Ditto nVidea drivers (excellent support, excellent performance. Shame that the kernel module interface is so primitive that I have to rebuild the nVidia module when the inevitable kernel update shows up).

Then there's GNOME: I'd love to try out the latest stable release, but I really don't see why I have to a) install a newer version of my chosen distribution to try it, or b) work my way through a horrid packaging effort to build it. And yes, I tried Garnome as well. Still not nearly as good as KDE for packaging source.

Re:Reason number two: Linux is a pain to set up (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13435968)

Then there's GNOME: I'd love to try out the latest stable release, but I really don't see why I have to a) install a newer version of my chosen distribution to try it, or b) work my way through a horrid packaging effort to build it. And yes, I tried Garnome as well. Still not nearly as good as KDE for packaging source.

Yeah and every time you want to try the latest version of Windows Explorer without updating the distribution you... err... err...

True (1)

m50d (797211) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435927)

So many people write "linux is not ready for the desktop" articles, seemingly without even using it, or else using it like the advanced user they are. In particular with the first point, I've seen many users speaking of the necessity of using the command line when there is a perfectly good GUI way to do it - it's simply far more efficient to use the command line. Linux is at the stage where it is easier than windows more often than not.

Already slashdotted... (1)

CK2004PA (827615) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435928)

....must be running linux at linux-world.net, eh ?

Reason X (1)

jurt1235 (834677) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435931)

It just takes to long to install and find all the drivers.

Oh no, on major linux releases they are already included and you do not have to search for it, or change CDs ten time like with MS windows. At least with MS windows, w95 compatible drivers for your network card come along on a supplier CD.

A Few Linux Administrators (3, Funny)

velocidisc (766718) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435934)

A Few Linux Administrators
with apologies to Jack Nicholson (as Bill Gates, on trial for releasing his Code Red "update" and destroying the Open Source Software movement)

You can't handle the truth!

Son, we live in a world that has data. And that data has to be guarded by men with servers. Who's gonna do it? You? Linus?

I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Open Source and you curse Microsoft. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: That Linux's death, while tragic, probably saves data. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves the Internet. You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at board meetings, you want me in that Server Farm. You need me in that NOC. We use words like Start, Update, Explorer ...we use these words in a lifetime spent defeating software rivals. You use 'em as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a user who surfs and emails on the Internet that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I'd prefer you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you format your C:\ drive and load Windows 3.11. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to.

Did you release the code red?

I released the update your servers were begging for.

Did you release the code red!?

You're goddamn right I did!

see no evil, hear no evil, talk no evil.. (0, Flamebait)

dmouritsendk (321667) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435941)

Talk about deluting yourself, reason #3 is pure horse shite.

where's the Maya/3DS/LW/Softimage alternative? It doesn't exist (dont be a bone head and suggest Blender here, its like comaring a 79' VW to a Ferrai).

where's the video editing solutions? We have one decent one, but all with haggid no-useable interfaces (seen from a non-linux-fanboiii perspective).

Where's the DVD authoring software(i know about dvd-author, and the v.0.0.1 guis being made for it. From a desktop users perspective these are 100% useless atm)? Heck, where's the LEGAL dvd player to watch your newly mastered holyday vid?

Where's the CAD/CAM software?

Where's the games?t

Re:see no evil, hear no evil, talk no evil.. (1)

Pecisk (688001) | more than 9 years ago | (#13436052)

Emmm...have you actually TRIED Blender3d? I guess you bashing it without knowing nor how it looks, how it works and what it is capable of.
Legal DVD player? Google for it, there is some around. Fluendo makes another one, too.

Just please stop flaming without actually knowing something.

reasons not to use linux (0, Troll)

ProfBooty (172603) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435944)

Lack of games.

harder to show cost/benefit analysis to bosses

real UNIX is cooler.

Imagine that (0)

bafarmer (741199) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435945)

A Linux advocate who uses sarcasm. I never would have guessed.

.mod up (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13435958)

If *bSD is to [goat.cx]

Point #5 does actually have a point (2, Insightful)

mikataur (910613) | more than 9 years ago | (#13435966)

By being pre-installed on the majority of PCs, Windows does indeed appear to be free to the buyer, in that it's seen as part of the whole package and doesn't cost any time to install (time is money after all).

Linux would gain a significant boost on the desktop if more OEMs pre-installed it alongside same spec'd machines with Windows installed.

Then the price difference would become noticeable, and the cost in time needed to install it would also disappear.

Why not just read OSNEWS.COM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13435969)

Seems like more and more articles come direct from osnews.com

If you were a frequent reader of that site you would have seen this last night before the slashdot effect.

Plus they have much for technical news there.

Linux just plain SUCKS! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13435986)

In the year 2005 there is no justification whatsoever for anyone having to fire up a 35-year old text editor (vi) just to get their internet connection to work.

MacOS X proves that Unix doesn't have to be painful. Until Lunix gets to Mac-like levels of user friendlyness, one can only assume that the Lunixists actually enjoy the spurious complexity of their toy OS.

The Biggest Reason Not To Use Linux (5, Funny)

eno2001 (527078) | more than 9 years ago | (#13436000)

It's bad for the economy!! Imagine buying a computer system and having it still usable for modern applications nearly a decade later. The various Linux distros allow for this. That cuts into profits for desktop and server sales. That's why Windows is the better choice. It pushes the hardware requirements up so quickly that you need to get new hardware every two to three years. This is good for the economy. Therefore Linux is UnAmerican.

Why aren't more people using Linux? (3, Interesting)

Lellor (910974) | more than 9 years ago | (#13436010)

That's a difficult question. After 10 years of being a viable, usable operating system, one would have thought that Linux would have made more inroads and become more mainstream. I think that Microsoft's blackmailing of computer vendors has something to do with it, but there's no single factor.

Where I work, for example, we are forced to use XP on the desktop despite the fact that the main tools that most of the core team use are available for Linux (Java, Eclipse). Ok, some of the tools that the core team uses are unavailable on Linux, like Photoshop, Lightwave, 3DStudio Max, etc. But a lot of people could be switched over tomorrow. Why, then, are the free *nixes relegated to the server-side? There are also issues with lockout on the server side, though, with some properietry packages such as our VPN software only running on Windows, yet Linux has still managed to gain a significant portion of the server market despite these factors. So why not the desktop?

I think a lot of it has to do with the mindset of the managers at companies - for the most part they are not willing to give new technologies the go-ahead, even if it makes sense financially. The only way to solve this is to either get more technically competent management into companies (yeah, right), or to find a way to break Microsoft's strangehold of OEM and desktop markets.

Windows' built-in web page editor (3, Funny)

DaveM753 (844913) | more than 9 years ago | (#13436017)

Hellllooo.... notepad.exe
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