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HP To Sell PCs With Mandrake 9.1

simoniker posted more than 10 years ago | from the enticing-mandragora dept.

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theoddball writes "HP just announced a new PC model (HP Compaq d220) that's available preloaded with Windows or Mandrake 9.1. The machine appears to be targeted to business users, although it's on the lower-end of the scale - specs are here. Mandrake also has a press release announcing the deal, which will grow to include four other HP models. Is this a sign that top tier manufacturers are taking Linux more seriously, or at least seeing a profitable niche?" We commented on MandrakeSoft's status update yesterday.

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The answer: (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6354377)

Format the drive, and install WindowsXP!

No, the answer is... (1, Funny)

usotsuki (530037) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354454)

Format the drive and install FreeDOS + OpenGEM!

-uso.

Funny you should say that... (1)

DesScorp (410532) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354560)

Because at one time, Systemax WAS offering FreeDOS on their boxes. I was always pissed that they wouldn't offer Linux as an alternative, because they actually sold a server product with a custom Linux OS.

Re:No, the answer is... (1)

ergean (582285) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354605)

And now with USB 2.0 drivers from Panasonic for DOS, you can use it with your external HDD.

ipaqs (5, Interesting)

SKPhoton (683703) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354378)

I wonder how long it will take until HP releases iPaq's with linux already installed.

Re:ipaqs (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6354468)

I wonder how long it will take until HP releases iPaq's with linux already installed.

Do you ever get the feeling Cary Fiona wakes up anhd thinks, "Hmmm... How can I waste all these shareholders' money today?" When I read articles like this, I sure do.

Re:ipaqs (3, Insightful)

MerryGoByeBye (447358) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354622)

They won't until they figure out a way to not wipe out part of the memory whenever you switch systems in a dual-boot configuration. The iPaq actually has a pretty poor flash-management controller, from what I understand. (Not that CE cares. Hell, it doesn't even know when you install a different boot-loader.)

Gimme notebooks first ! (RE: ipaqs) (4, Interesting)

InodoroPereyra (514794) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354698)

Yes, I hope so too. But first of all I want to see them sell Linux preinstalled notebooks. It would be a winner situation for HP, to sell a full line of Linux-preinstalled hardware: servers, desktops, notebooks and handhelds. RedHat, Mandrake and SuSE are all excellent candidates ...

2.0 GHz Intel® Celeron™ (5, Funny)

H0NGK0NGPH00EY (210370) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354383)

2.0 GHz is low end of the spectrum? I'm still running a 400MHz PII as my primary!

*weeps into hands*

Re:2.0 GHz Intel® Celeron™ (1)

repetty (260322) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354396)

"The machine appears to be targeted to business users, although it's on the lower-end of the scale..."

Yes that was a very weird statement.

Just how much power does someone need to type a Word document or send an email?

--Richard

Re:2.0 GHz Intel® Celeron™ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6354523)

We manage with pentium 133s with 32 megs. Anything more is overkill.

Re:2.0 GHz Intel® Celeron™ (1, Informative)

deadsaijinx* (637410) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354404)

yes, a 2ghz celeron is low end. The keyword being celeron. They are cheaper and slower, much cheaper and much slower.

Re:2.0 GHz Intel® Celeron™ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6354544)

I got ya beat, celeron 300a!

Re:2.0 GHz Intel® Celeron™ (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6354573)

I agree. It's a real pisser when new mobo's have a FSB that's twice as fast as your processor.

Or video cards.

Hell, you can probably get a sound card with a processor faster than my machine.

Re:2.0 GHz Intel® Celeron™ (1)

incom (570967) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354637)

The Computer appears to be configurable to something more high end.

Re:2.0 GHz Intel® Celeron™ (1)

incom (570967) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354658)

Nevermind, only on this exact model is ML9.1 available, as of now.

Re:2.0 GHz Intel® Celeron™ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6354672)

700Mhz here and it's much, much faster than I need. Though some more RAM would be nice (128MB currently)

this.... (1, Redundant)

deadsaijinx* (637410) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354388)

this is not a newsworthy article. Ok, so HP adds another flavor of Linux. Good for it. The already had Red Hat, what's the big deal that They added Mandrake now? Don't get me wrong, I run Mandrake, it's a good OS, but is it news when HP desides to sell a low end computer with a different flavor of Linux than they usually use?

Re:this.... (3, Insightful)

geekd (14774) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354416)

This news is about desktops

Previous HP linux computers were servers.

Re:this.... (4, Insightful)

mickwd (196449) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354447)

Maybe it's news because Mandrake is seen as more of a desktop distro than RedHat (though it also forms a very capable server), and it shows that one of the biggest PC suppliers now thinks Linux is ready for the desktop.

It's also great news for Mandrake, and about time. Well done, Drakes.

Re:this.... (0, Flamebait)

sirmikester (634831) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354571)

> Maybe it's news because Mandrake is seen as more of a desktop distro than RedHat (though it also forms a very capable server)

I disagree, I use Redhat 9 every day as my primary workstation and I have to say that its quite capable as a desktop as well. Granted you have to re-enable mp3 playback and install a few applications, but when its all setup and ready to go I'd rank it up there with Mandrake. And when you take the fact that its not a French product, you have a winner!

Re:this.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6354632)

Don't forget the french help free your arses from british rule. I find that very funny.

Re:this.... (1)

benjamindees (441808) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354677)

I'd have to disagree with you. In fact, I think Mandrake is an odd choice for a business desktop. I was planning on buying some HP desktops and putting RedHat 9 on them, but I'll jump on this opportunity to replace the Microsoft tax with the Mandrake tax and still end up using RH9.

The Microsoft tax (4, Interesting)

JCCyC (179760) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354690)

Now that you mention it, I wonder. How do we know HP is not paying the Microsoft tax anyway on those Mandrake PCs? The press release says nothing about price differences.

Re:this.... (2, Insightful)

Strudelkugel (594414) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354705)


Linux (OK, GNU/Linux) has been ready for the desktop for a long time. The question, though, is which distro? Which window manager? When running a business, this stuff matters far more than license fees, within reasonable limits. When you think about how technically inferior Windows 3.1 was compared to OS/2 and the Mac, let alone the *nix's back then, it would seem to be a wonder that it got anywhere at all. But, considering how cheap it was and the fact that it did its basic job well enough on a huge permutation of PC hardware, its success becomes easier to understand.

Technical superiority has never been the primary determinant of market success, at least in the commercial world.

Now we have you and others comparing Mandrake to RH and <name favorite disto> already, and I sense the same pattern of the OS battles in the early 90s. Sooner or later, /. will become a spectacular arena in which to watch the distro battle/FUD flingfest. How this will resolve itself, I have no idea. But it sure will be interesting to see which Linux distro prevails, and to what extent.

Re:this.... (2, Insightful)

rm_monterey (671976) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354664)

might be interesting to see what repercussions this has for Mandrake being recognized as a business Linux solution. Last I heard, Mandrake was just coming out of chapter 11. Was this the boost they need? Ximian says that as soon as your organization has 1000+ machines running some other flavor of Linux (besides SuSE and RedHat), they would consider an XD2 release for that distro. Well, HP's decision could move Ximian in that direction.

Site pretty slow already, in case of slashdotting (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6354393)

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Re:Site pretty slow already, in case of slashdotti (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6354423)

Good thing you posted AC.. Otherwise that would be *quite* embarrasing.

Nice Troll attempt FAGGOT (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6354459)

...Customers also can opt for an Intel Pentium 4 2.4-gigahertz cock in their arse ...

Format text :) (2, Informative)

grantsellis (537978) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354461)

Ack! That's unreadable. Take a few moments to put the br's in :)

HP Delivers Affordable, Reliable Microtower PC to Small- and Medium-sized Businesses
PALO ALTO, CALIF., JULY 2, 2003

HP (NYSE:HPQ) today introduced an affordable, high-quality desktop PC for small- and medium-sized business (SMB) customers: the HP Compaq Business Desktop d220 Microtower.

The microtower desktop features Intel® Pentium® 4 or Celeron® processors and offers three PCI expansion slots, two double data rate (DDR) memory slots and five drive bays in a compact microtower platform, allowing for expansion or future upgrades.

"Our SMB customers are looking to maximize their IT investment, and the combination of low purchase price and consistent, reliable performance in the HP Compaq d220 provides value-seeking businesses a solid platform choice," said Keith LeFebvre, vice president of business desktop division, Americas, HP Personal Systems Group.

The HP Compaq Business Desktop d220 is designed to keep IT simple, with the choice of customizable or pre-configured solutions optimized for affordability and quality. Customized solutions, available beginning July 7, start at an estimated U.S. street price of $349 (1) with an Intel Celeron 2.0-gigahertz processor, 40-gigabyte hard drive and 128-megabyte DDR SDRAM. Customers also can opt for an Intel Pentium 4 2.4-gigahertz processor, 40-gigabyte hard drive and 128-megabyte DDR SDRAM for as low as an estimated U.S. street price of $499. (1)

For customers interested in pre-configured solutions with an Intel Celeron 2.0-gigahertz processor, pricing starts at an estimated $429. (1) Or, for customers requiring additional processing power, the HP Compaq d220 is available pre-configured with a 2.4-gigahertz Intel Pentium 4 processor, 40-gigabyte hard drive, 512-megabyte DDR SDRAM, integrated Intel Extreme Graphics, DVD+RW/CD-RW combo drive, six USB 2.0 ports and Microsoft Windows® XP Professional - priced at an estimated U.S. street price of only $799. (1)

HP Compaq desktops are available with the latest operating systems from the industry leader, Microsoft, as well as a robust Linux offering from Mandrake. The HP Compaq d220 offers a choice of Microsoft Windows XP Professional, Microsoft Windows XP Home or Mandrake's Linux v9.1, providing customers with the versatility needed for today's mixed-use environments.

The HP Compaq Business Desktop d220 Microtower is now available directly from HP or through authorized resellers. More information about the product is available at http://www.hp.com/products/desktops .

About HP
HP delivers vital technology for business and life. The company's solutions span IT infrastructure, personal computing and access devices, global services and imaging and printing for consumers, enterprises and small and medium business. For the last four quarters, HP revenue totaled $70.4 billion. More information about HP is available at http://www.hp.com .

(1) Actual prices may vary.

Intel, Pentium and Celeron are U.S. registered trademarks of Intel Corp. Microsoft and Windows are U.S. registered trademarks of Microsoft Corp.

This news release contains forward-looking statements that involve risks, uncertainties and assumptions. All statements other than statements of historical fact are statements that could be deemed forward-looking statements. Risks, uncertainties and assumptions include the possibility that the market for the sale of certain products and services may not develop as expected; that development and performance of these products and services may not proceed as planned; and other risks that are described from time to time in HP 's Securities and Exchange Commission reports, including but not limited to HP 's quarterly report on Form 10-Q for the quarter ended January 31, 2003, and subsequently filed reports. If any of these risks or uncertainties materializes or any of these assumptions proves incorrect, HP 's results could differ materially from HP 's expectations in these statements. HP assumes no obligation to update these forward-looking statements.

Price differential? (0, Redundant)

ravenbrand (655102) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354400)

"...and Microsoft Windows® XP Professional - priced at an estimated U.S. street price of only $799."

Will the Mandrake version come out lower?

Re:Price differential? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6354442)

Will the Mandrake version come out lower?

Are you a tard?

Good. Distro variety. (5, Insightful)

arcanumas (646807) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354403)

This is also good news that Large companies see Distros other than Red Hat to be of excellent quality. It have many times seen ignorant IT managers telling me how the only way to go with Linux is RedHat. (which is good, but not the only one)
Maybe now i can propose the use of my favorite distro and have "managerial" evidence to back it. :)

Re:Good. Distro variety. (4, Insightful)

MisterFancypants (615129) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354455)

Whether this is good or not might depend upon if you're a developer considering writing Linux software. While it might not seem that tough to just support "Linux", the minor differences in all the different distros can really balloon into major QA, tech support and release engineering (as each distro tends to have different preferred package handling systems) headaches.

I think this hurts Linux as an application target more than most people realize, and I hope one of the many announced standardization efforts actually produces something other than talk and press releases soon.

Hopefully (2, Interesting)

CoolGuySteve (264277) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354405)

Maybe other manufacturers and consumers will realize that linux is superior to windows in just about every way possible. It's taken long enough anyways, the average linux Desktop not only looks, performs and is more intuitive than windows' explorer.exe, but also has way more applications available from the start.

Re:Hopefully (0, Flamebait)

ClosedSource (238333) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354562)

Maybe other manufacturers and consumers will realize that windows is superior to linux in just about every way possible.

Re:Hopefully (0, Troll)

money_shot (301137) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354625)

If everyone other than me in my family had to use linux, they would stop using computers.

It's windows and macs for those folks.

Personally, I think Linux is fun to play with occasionally, but I wouldn't want to try to do something serious with it... say, edit video, create artwork, manage source code, create product to send out to clients.

Das Slashdot Effekt (2, Funny)

DaddyExcellent (632540) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354411)

HP announced today an affordable, high-quality desktop PC for small and medium businesses (SMB): the HP Compaq Business Desktop d220 Microtower, which offers a choice for operating system between Windows or Mandrake Linux 9.1 (please read the press-release below).

It's the first time that an industry leader publicly announces the availability of Linux on a desktop PC.

This is the result of a worldwide agreement between MandrakeSoft and HP. The Mandrake Linux 9.1 operating system, while poor in comparison to Windows, is now available on a complete range of HP desktop PCs. This includes (or will include) the following machines: HP Compaq 220, HP Compaq 230, HP Compaq 325, HP Compaq D330 and HP Compaq D530.

Mandrake Linux 9.1 is recognized to be one of the less crash-prone and primitive of the Linux systems available today, and is a major step towards delivering Linux as a pretend office-desktop solution to small businesses.

More information about Mandrake Linux 9.1 is available at:
http://www.mandrakesoft.com/products/91/mainfeatur es

The Press-release from HP is available at:
http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2003/03070 2a.html

Someone call Bill (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6354412)

Seems like this little insignifcant OS is making inroads despite what Bill thinks. Once products like OpenOffice become more mature the game is over and real desktop penetration, coporate side at least, will happen.

Re:Someone call Bill (4, Insightful)

RedCard (302122) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354581)

Seems like this little insignifcant OS is making inroads despite what Bill thinks. Once products like OpenOffice become more mature the game is over and real desktop penetration, coporate side at least, will happen.

Yes, it will, and eventually there is a real chance that linux will supplant Windows as the OS of choice for business...BUT... by the time that happens, MS will most likely have tied a great deal of digital rights restrictions technology into windows.

The upshot? One day, most 'new' media will only be playable on windows, and hence MS will control the consumer market.

It may be that this is exactly what they are planning for. They may have recognized that they're slowly losing corporate mindshare, and are now grasping at straws in that arena. Look at the suspicious influx of money that they gave to SCO, look at their new corporate licensing policies (subscription model) - are these desperation moves?

Of course, this is all just opinion and conjecture. Don't mind me.

Re:Someone call Bill (-1, Flamebait)

money_shot (301137) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354657)

By the time Linux becomes honestly viable for the non-geek desktop, then MS will already own all the wireless devices in your home.

Most people I know couldn't give a fuck what was on their computer so long as it worked. Unfortunately for all of you linux cheerleaders, linux doesn't actually work very well under real use (ie, heavy office work, media creation, game playing, etc.) Takes me about 10 sec to crash any program from a fresh install of Mandrake or Redhat.

Well (2, Informative)

MisterFancypants (615129) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354417)

Well on the one hand this is great news, on the other hand despite what the press release says I don't see any way to configure a system to ship with Mandrake instead of Windows XP on their little site store page that is linked into that press release. All of the d220 models I see listed are shipping with Windows XP with no way to change that option (I was hoping to see what kind of price difference, if any, that option would cause).

Hopefully this is just a case of the press releasing being issued a bit before the website is changed to handle the new systems fully.

Re:Well (check HP wedsite Monday) (3, Informative)

cyber_rigger (527103) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354607)

I think the article said that the Linux offer will be on HP's website Monday.

I think it's more not wanting to be left out (2, Insightful)

dspyder (563303) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354418)

I think what it comes down to is not wanting to lose out sales to someone else. If their competetors are making at least 1 sale with something, most companies will want to try and steal away that sale... almost at any cost!

Of course, it looks like they're not going to put a huge effort behind it until there is some momentum... but then do expect them market the hell out of it.

--D

Re:I think it's more not wanting to be left out (1)

money_shot (301137) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354636)

Actually, it cost a lot more than they sell to bother with. Ie, selling computers does not equal profit.

Most likely, Mandrake is giving it to them for free for the press and also doing the engineering work. HP only has to give someone the product if he wants it. If I was HP, I wouldn't invest a dime into this.

Desktop vs. Office/desktop? (5, Informative)

joestar (225875) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354420)

Despite the fact that Linux is apparently not ready yet for "mum" (certainly because of a lack of third-party applications), it really seems there is a growing momentum for Linux on the desktop in the field of corporate environements. My guess is that StarOffice/OpenOffice.org are responsible for that, and also that Mandrake 9.1, with its great desktop environment, offers most things that corporations need for their daily tasks. This includes OpenOffice.org and Mozilla for instance.

I hope you're joking (0)

FatAssBastard (530195) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354536)

Many people's 'mums' use Linux, mine included. I just upgraded her box, uh, computer to Mandrake 9.1 and she loves all the newer stuff. She uses Mozilla to surf and get her Hotmail and she uses KWrite to type letters, since she doesn't need or want any fancy formatting. It basically looks just like it came from her old typewriter, which is just what she wants.

The install was a piece of cake, way easier than when I installed XP on my new home brew machine.

That is all...

Re:Desktop vs. Office/desktop? (3, Interesting)

garett_spencley (193892) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354595)

Hopefully with more larger companies offering Linux on desktops more people will consider switching and thus more commercial applications will become available.

That and the prediction that Linux will surpass Apple in desktop usage next year.

I have lots of friends that I met from other completely non-tech message boards that I participate on. In the chat rooms I've been asked on many occasion by these people about switching to Linux which has always surprised me because I've never mentioned it to anyone. They know that I work professionally as a computer programmer and that's about it.

A few years ago I used to pitch Linux to everyone who didn't care. I stopped for just that reason... no one cared. Now I find those same people are starting to care. Why? Because they hear about it from companies like Wallmart, HP, Dell etc. so now all of a sudden it must mean something.

This is exciting news ineed.

- Garett

Thats great but... (1)

paranoidsim (239426) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354424)

It doesnt seem you can actually configure a machine with Mandrake 9.1 on it. The customize screen does not allow you to change the OS from Windows. Am I deaf, dumb or blind?

Re:Thats great but... (1)

jdray (645332) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354516)

I couldn't find it either. From reading the spec sheet, it looks like they include Mandrake as part of the base package, so you're buying an XP license whether or not you're going to use it.

Thbbtttttt!!!

Re:Thats great but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6354676)

As someone else already pointed out above, neither of you RTFA. Available July 7. Today is not July 7 at the time of writing this. July 7. Got that? July 7. You wouldn't be buying a license for Windows. RTFA. July 7.

Retail!!! (5, Insightful)

PaulK (85154) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354432)

Looking to find out what retailers would be selling this, I did follow their product link.

It's not listed yet, but that's no surprise.

This is probably the ONLY way that people are going to buy this for their homes; a side by side comparison of an MS machine and a (GNU/)Linux machine.

The retail setting is absoluetely imperative. Buying a preloaded sysem online is well and good, but most people will stick to the devil they know, (MS).

Now, people will have the whole "touchy, feely," experience.

screw this. (4, Funny)

geekoid (135745) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354456)

I'm going to start a band of elite Linux Ninja to sneak in and just start intalling Linux on every computer.
Won't you be my Ninja?

Re:screw this. (2, Funny)

PaulK (85154) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354501)

U betcha! I'll start practice throwing with my "bbc cds".

I just wonder if my natural moon tan will be enough camouflage in Compusa.

You should always point the finger yourself. (1)

msimm (580077) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354678)

It's not bad spelling its a glitch in your system. ;-)

Not yet on the store (4, Informative)

LinuxTek (36519) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354436)

If you try to buy a d220 microtower, there's no option available yet with Mandrake Linux. If they're going to do a press release, isn't it better to have the actual product first?

Re:Not yet on the store (2, Informative)

joestar (225875) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354484)

It seems that these products are mostly targetted to small & medium businesses, so it's likely that most units will be sold by value-added resellers.

Re:Not yet on the store (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6354527)

If they're going to do a press release, isn't it better to have the actual product first?

In the computer industry?

So how do I get one, if I wanted it? (1)

siskbc (598067) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354441)

I clicked on the "specs" link, hit configure, and it took me to a page where all I could "configure" was the monitor, warranty, and speakers - not the OS, which seemed locked to windows. Or am I being dense? I suspect I'm being dense. ;)

Re:So how do I get one, if I wanted it? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6354493)

In Soviet Russia, dense is beingk you!

fantastic! (0, Troll)

Fux the Pengiun (686240) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354451)

Well it's about time HP started listening to their user base. I've been using HP computers for several years now (the very best, in my opinion!) and I've had a lot of problems on the times I've tried to run Unix on them. Their customer support for that sort of thing was sorely lacking, as I'd spend an hour on the phone when them after installing Red Hat Unix over the Windows operating system that came with the computer, and then not being able to get Office to work. They kept telling me to reboot the computer over and over again, but Windows wouldn't come back up.

Now that they're using Mandrake Unix, which from the statistics I've seen is the most popular Unix in the world, maybe their tech support will improve.

The only thing that worries me is that I heard Mandrake was a French company, and therefore there might be some issues with importing a french operating system into the U.S., given the impending embargo. Also, the French government is pretty strict about their language and culture, so that could be a big problem. I don't think many American Unix users are going to like having to double click on "Mes Documents" to get to their files!

Regardless, I hope HP is successful in this. A lot of people on Slashdot have said you need a big, well-known name like Microsoft to stand behind something like Unix so idiot bosses in corporate america will accept it, but I think HP brings enough clout, along with the proven success of Mandrake Unix, to make a good go at it now that HP isn't going to sell windows anymore.

Re:fantastic! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6354495)

What embargo? There is no embargo.

I don't see the connection with the french government being strict with French language and Mandrake. You can use any language you want. I really don't see the point. Mandrake is even one of the most i18n and l10n distro. Probably because in France we respect other countries and other people ...

Re:fantastic! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6354610)

Hehe somebody modded you informative:P

..eyes going bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6354478)

I thought the title said "To Hell with PCs"

so... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6354485)

i wonder how longer will it take before Linux hackers get Linux running on it.

With all these legal problems... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6354490)

Why are leading computer makers still taking the risk of being associated with Linux? Do they have a death wish? As every industry analyst who has actually looked at the contested source code has said, SCO looks to have a very good infringement case against IBM. That means that every copy of Linux sold potentially includes pirated source code, and could lead to liabilities against the seller in the future. As SCO says, the Linux business model is closer to Napster than a respectable commercial software business. What would we be saying if HP was selling computers preloaded with 20 gigs of pirated MP3s? Why is this any different?

Re:With all these legal problems... (0, Offtopic)

BriSTO(V)L (668928) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354558)

This is such an obvious (and pathetic) troll, I *almost* couldn't be bothered to reply to it... Get a life, MCSE boy ;-)

Re:With all these demon problems... (3, Funny)

teamhasnoi (554944) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354568)

Can't you see the big picture?!

Linux is run by demons! Who cares about Napster, SCO, IBM, pirated mp3s and source code when there are demons in your computer!

I always knew that HP=Hell People. Now at last I have proof that they are putting demons in their computers!

You should spend less time worrying about HP and more time fighting the demons!

Re:With all these demon problems... (2, Funny)

RumpRoast (635348) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354604)

Ummm I think the dying variety of BSD is run by demons... Linux must be run by penguins.

Also IBM=Inverted Bowel Movement.

Thanks!

Price is the same, no matter what the OS is? (4, Interesting)

civad (569109) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354498)

From the Specifications provided:
operating systems included: Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional; Microsoft® Windows® XP Home or Mandrake Linux 9.1.
Interestingly enough, there is no mention whatsoever about the difference in price depending upon the OS. If I were someone who hasn't heard of Mandrake Linux, why would I bother selecting it if I am getting a MS OS (something that I am much more familiar with) for the same price? Where is the incentive for me to buy a system with Mandrake installed on it?
From a business perspective IMO, paying for something unkown would be a no-no. One might consider taking a RISK if one buys something unfamiliar at a lower price with some extra incentives thrown in. Include Mandrake's documentation in HARD COPY; free training courses for employees, etc???

Re:Price is the same, no matter what the OS is? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6354556)

if it is the same price just buy it with xp, then download mandrake and create a dual boot.

It's about damn time (4, Interesting)

DesScorp (410532) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354500)

Just as I was getting worried that Carly was turning the New HP into a pure MS vehicle (all this stuff about 64 bit Windows being Itanium's "killer app"). I was starting to think they'd ditch HP-UX any day now (as they will with PA-RISC, now that they're pushing Itanium). So it's a shock to see them putting Mandrake on a PC OEM style (and a business targeted PC too!). I hope they have stellar success with this. If this succeeds I hope they offer other distros like Red Hat, United Linux, and even something like Lindows on a consumer model, all OEM loaded. Compaq had started to offer Dell-style customization of PC's ordered over the web before the *cough*takeover*cough merger. I wonder if HP still does that? That'd be the perfect place to offer even more choice.

Mixed Environments? Nice. (2, Interesting)

Kefabi (178403) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354519)

HP Compaq desktops are available with the latest operating systems from the industry leader, Microsoft, as well as a robust Linux offering from Mandrake. The HP Compaq d220 offers a choice of Microsoft Windows XP Professional, Microsoft Windows XP Home or Mandrake's Linux v9.1,
providing customers with the versatility needed for today's mixed-use environments.

Emphasis mine. Isn't HP like in the top 3 PC sellers in the USA? And HP puts out a press release to businesses that pretty much makes it seem like OS's other than Windows in businesses are becoming pretty damn common.

I tell most my friends around me not to buy MS stock. Because once they lose their enormous marketshare, like dominos they'll lose their monopoly. HP just reinforced my belief that I'll get to see this happen within 5 years, easy.

Good luck to multiple OS's on computers! Go Apple! Go beOS!

Is it fair to say Mandrake is the desktop Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6354550)

Red Hat has distanced itself from the hoi poloi. They have give the little guy the air, and concentrated on the big corporate user instead. Red Hat seems not much interested in selling $29 desktop systems. Mandrake apparently is actively seeking this segment that Red Hat has written off.

I'm a long time Red Hat customer, but I'm not too happy with the way Red Hat has been heading. I think I'm ready for a change, and Mandrake is the ticket.

Re:Is it fair to say Mandrake is the desktop Linux (2, Insightful)

MerryGoByeBye (447358) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354646)

How do you expect them to make profits if they just keep giving their product away? Are you just going to label every distro that gets business-oriented a sell-out?

Either you want Linux to go bigtime and you deal with taking a back seat to the big boys, or you can have your little community of free support which will always be seen as too technical for the masses. Take your pick. You can't have both.

Time to make a difference (3, Insightful)

mcp33p4n75 (684632) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354578)

This is a great move for promoting linux. Hopefully it'll lead to OS choice where it really matters: laptops. Nobody should have to pay the windows tax ever again! Even better, be able to buy laptop computers without an OS installed and let the consumer get the ultimate choice.

Re:Time to make a difference (0, Flamebait)

money_shot (301137) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354679)

hehe, trying use use Linux on my laptop would be a total fucking disaster. And I'm the tech guru in my office group (of software developers...)

We all use high-end laptops that aren't supported very well to start with. Not to mention ALL of our projects are aimed at people who use Windows on an institutional level.

Sometimes, I wonder if Linux cheerleaders have any experience outside the comptuer labs.

Sure pay for windows if you get it or not (1, Insightful)

Isaac-1 (233099) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354584)

This sounds to me like a case of paying for windows if you get it or not. The Classic Deal of the machine being priced the same if it ships with Windows, or ships with a bare drive (or linux in this case).

Ike

Why Mandrake I do not understand ? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6354585)

While there is such a patriotism bruhaha going on, I do not make any sense why, an American company like HP, chooses to sell systems preloaded with a French Linux distribution, contributing to the bottomline of a French company, who backstabbed US not a long while ago. Especially important because, a plethora of other more sensible alternatives are floating around. Can anybody spell Lindows, or Gentoo, if the simplicity is the concern ?

Wide Pages? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6354587)

What happened to the page widening trolls? I miss that....

preloaded all right (1)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354615)

available preloaded with Windows or Mandrake 9.1.

Ah, but I bet you only have one choice as to whether the Windows license fee is (does Dr. Evil quote thing) "pre-loaded" to your bill :-)

Speed Racer = Satanic? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6354660)

In my opinion, Speed Racer may be secretly satanic, and we will examine this below. First we have a few anagrams. To explain the use of the word "demon" in an anagram below, we must mention the lyrics of the Speed Racer song. The lyrics below to the popular Speed Racer song show that he is clearly called, "a demon" and that he's "a demon and he's gonna be chasin' after someone". This doesn't only apply to racing. What do demons do? They look to ruin human lives/souls.

The first anagram we will look at is "speed racer demon" and one result is: Ascended Emperor (and a reference to romans and other strange things). There are other more troubling results you will find if you spend a few minutes taking pieces from the lyrics below and checking them for anagrams. Now look at the lyrics below, and remember, it says, "there's dangerous work to do you bet your life" think about those words. It says it right there, that he's a demon.

"Here he comes Here comes Speed Racer
He's a demon on wheels He's a demon and he's gonna be chasin' after someone. He's gainin' on you so you better look alive. He's busy revvin' up a powerful Mach 5. And when the odds are against him And there's dangerous work to do You bet your life Speed Racer Will see it through. Go Speed Racer
Go Speed Racer Go Speed Racer, Go! He's off and flyin' as he guns the car around the track
He's jammin' down the pedal like he's never comin' back Adventure's waitin' just ahead.
Go Speed Racer Go Speed Racer Go Speed Racer, Go!"

Microsoft Tax (1)

heli0 (659560) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354665)

If you choose a machine with Mandrake loaded do you still pay the Microsoft tax?

Anyone find figures for identical systems with the two OS's?

Re:Microsoft Tax (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 10 years ago | (#6354714)

In Australia HP/Compaq PCs have been available with Mandrake for several months now, not just on low end machines, but also the D510 & D530 mainstream corporate machines.

And NO, you do not pay the MS tax, they are cheaper (by approx $150 AU) than the equivalent Windows box

For about 5 minutes.... (4, Insightful)

gilesjuk (604902) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354686)

Then Microsoft puts its foot down and it's replaced with XP.

No major vendor seems keen to only sell Linux desktop boxes, so the Linux option won't happen until competition law smacks Microsoft on the hand.

It's only if and when Linux takes the lead over Windows on the desktop that you will see vendors confident to ditch Microsoft.

Competition is being offered a choice, Microsoft can cry all they like about recent governments coming up with Open Source legislation that only stipulates the use of Open Source, it's them who started all this silly anti-competitive rubbish and vendor lock-in in the first place.

Dell Flirted with Linux desktop machines and promptly withdrew them. Microsoft needs to stop bullying the OEMs.

Not available yet for complete review - d330 (1)

beacher (82033) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354693)

Okay I wanted to see what the windows tax was and the d220 didn't have Mandrake available in any of the customization options.. Searched for Mandrake and found the d330 [compaq.com]. Looking side by side.. there's no cdrom drive?

The price difference between the 3rd and 5th computer is only $56, but then you have to buy a damn cdrom (no optical drive). Where's the incentive when I'll just have to go buy my own CDRom and bump the price up to the Windows price - Where's the incentive to the end user (not me the gentoo user)? There's supposed to be some kind of price break here...

What gives?
B

A step forward... (0, Offtopic)

miketang16 (585602) | more than 10 years ago | (#6354708)

Congrats to HP for being one of the first major PC companies to preload Linux on the desktop. Maybe they finally realized that businesses like security...

As for Mandrake, eh.. it's good for some people, personally I like Gentoo, tho.
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