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Running Linux On Acer's C100 Tablet PC

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the slick-looking dept.

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Christopher Coulter writes submitted a link to this detailed guide to putting Debian GNU/Linux on an Acer Tablet PC. That most manufacturers aren't leaping to provide Linux support on their tablet PCs doesn't mean it isn't possible ;)

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Sweet! (-1, Offtopic)

CausticWindow (632215) | more than 11 years ago | (#6146858)

First Post

FIRST POST TO CALL THIS GUY A GREASY HIPPIE (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6147166)

greasy hippie

OMFG Posting is broken! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6146870)

OMFG POSTING IS BROKEN!

Re:OMFG Posting is broken! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6147005)

No, posting is not broken.

You just failed to break the barrier of the First Post.

but... (2, Troll)

frodo from middle ea (602941) | more than 11 years ago | (#6146871)

isn't table PC sales dropping ?
besides the cool factor, what benefit would this be of ?

Re:but... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6146904)

What do you mean BESIDES the cool factor. That's like saying "besides avoiding death and sickness of millions of people what benefits did vaccines offer?"

Re:but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6146942)

no it doesn't. not even close. there is a huge difference between a troll and someone with half a clue.

Re:but... (2, Interesting)

desideria (140436) | more than 11 years ago | (#6147011)

Well, I'm an artist and I want a Tablet PC to use for my digital art work. I don't think though that I can think of a really compelling reason to use Linux on it though.

- Catherine

taking you literally. (0, Flamebait)

twitter (104583) | more than 11 years ago | (#6147159)

isn't table PC sales dropping ? besides the cool factor, what benefit would this be of ?

Low sales = low prices. I imagine sales are down because M$'s eXPensive software blows [slashdot.org] .

So what your saying is....... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6147170)

This runs linux?

Re:but... (2, Informative)

rosewood (99925) | more than 11 years ago | (#6147212)

I would kill to have one for class. I already abuse the hell out of my pocket PC for notes and the idea of a tablet PC makes me swoon!

However, if you can't think of a good use for one, YOU DON'T NEED IT!

I saw some guy this weekend at best buy picking one up who said "Well, its supposed to be the cool new thing. It will probably just sit in my desk at the office while I play golf."

What was wrong with it before? (4, Interesting)

xombo (628858) | more than 11 years ago | (#6146876)

It now fits my main uses, which are reading academic papers, writing notes, and doing calculations.

My only question to him is: How could those needs not be met in a Windows XP envrioment? I would hope that he didn't spend too much time durring class and such trying to install Linux durring a lecture. I thought the main idea of a Tablet PC was to keep you from having so much hassle.

Re:What was wrong with it before? (4, Insightful)

cscx (541332) | more than 11 years ago | (#6146884)

Plus, linux doesn't come with the "ink" software, which makes this sorta pointless.

Re:What was wrong with it before? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6146969)

"I use Outlook and have never been infected by a virus or worm. What the hell are all the rest of you doing wrong?"

Not that you know of, but ve have vays of using your computer you see....

MUHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Re:What was wrong with it before? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6147110)

"plus, linux doesn't come with "ink" software."

umm, check out gsumi [gtk.org] .

Anyway, he had an itch and he scratched it. besides, although XP looks to be more workable practically and although some things can be easier to do in XP in terms of number of steps, etc, I know from experience that windows interfaces always irritate me. they just do. waaaaay too limiting.

Re:What was wrong with it before? (1)

73939133 (676561) | more than 11 years ago | (#6147139)

Well, first you get Linux to run on Tablet PC hardware, then you develop the ink software. This may take Microsoft years to do and billions of dollars, but I suspect it will take Linux developers a few months, provided anybody really cares.

Re:What was wrong with it before? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6147183)

well when you have something/somebody to copy off of (microsoft) things are much more easier to develop.

Re:What was wrong with it before? (1)

chance2105 (678081) | more than 11 years ago | (#6146900)

EULA Bill likes bills.

Re:What was wrong with it before? (4, Insightful)

Little Brother (122447) | more than 11 years ago | (#6146938)

Hmm I think this is more of a statement that linux is catching up with Microsoft in another niche market, not saying that what he can't do with Microsoft he can do with linux. No, nothing is wrong with Microsoft on a tablet (for the sake of the argument) but look, I can do enough with linux too, let's keep working and we can make linux better, we sure can't do much to improve Microsoft (as we don't have the code)

Re:What was wrong with it before? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6146959)

but look, I can do enough with linux too, let's keep working and we can make linux better, we sure can't do much to improve Microsoft (as we don't have the code)

Let's get a few things straight here, dipshit; for instance, Microsoft isn't the one here that's needing the "improving," if you catch my drift.

Re:What was wrong with it before? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6147043)

Let's get a few things straight here, dipshit; for instance, Microsoft isn't the one here that's needing the "improving," if you catch my drift.
Alright, I'll take a shower, get rid of my rainbow suspenders, attempt to be somewhat personable, shave my beard (or at least trim it) and tell all my friends to do the same thing. After THAT we'll have the high ground on M$!!!!!!!!

Re:What was wrong with it before? (1)

EvanED (569694) | more than 11 years ago | (#6147104)

I catch your drift... you're also referring to your reading comprehension skills? Note the quote "let's keep working and we can make linux better." The poster openly admits Linux needs improvement.

Re:What was wrong with it before? (3, Interesting)

brent_linux (460882) | more than 11 years ago | (#6146962)

There are a lot of things that I hope to use it for. First is that I have become as used to using X as I have using Windows, and there are times I like the flexability. Forwarding apps from my main desktop to it via the wireless is nice. Portable wired and wireless network scanner with etherape, and ettercap. Artistic work in the Gimp. Mine is a little bit different though since it is a laptop as well.

Re:What was wrong with it before? (3, Insightful)

ahaning (108463) | more than 11 years ago | (#6146989)

You're questioning a hackers reasoning for doing something?

There generally doesn't need to be a reason. He had an itch and scratched it.

Re:What was wrong with it before? (1)

xombo (628858) | more than 11 years ago | (#6147146)

To all mods calling this a troll: I am not trying to down the Linux-Tablet PC idea, I am just saying it isn't ready and that there isn't a real advantage to it, the whole Linix-Tablet idea could turn out really well if someone like RedHat or SuSe or SC...Oh yeah. pitched in to help intergrate all the features like the Digital Ink stuff and handwriting recognition, and some interface lifts to help with better navigation, etc. If Konqueror or Nautilus (sp?) could be optimised for Tablet PC, that would be wonderful. I am sure Microsoft has bribed all the Tablet PC people into not using Linux just like they did with BeOS though.

Rob Malda's Nullification (-1, Flamebait)

(TK4)Dessimat0r (669989) | more than 11 years ago | (#6146879)

Rob Malda is a 26-year old white male with a stocky build and a beard. His head is shaved. He responded to my ad to be interviewed for this article wearing only leather pants, leather boots and a leather vest. I could see that both of his nipples were pierced with large-gauge silver rings.

Questioner: I hope you won't be offended if I ask you to prove to me that you're a nullo. Just so that our readers will know that this isn't a fake.

Rob: Sure, no problem. (stands and unbuckles pants and drops them to his ankles, revealing a smooth, shaven crotch with only a thin scar to show where his genitals once were).

Q: Thank you. That's a remarkable sight.

(laughs and pulls pants back up). Most people think so.

Q: What made you decide to become a nullo?

(pauses). Well, it really wasn't entirely my decision.

Q: Excuse me?

The idea wasn't mine. It was my lover's idea.

Q: Please explain what you mean.

Okay, it's a long story. You have to understand my relationship with Michael before you'll know what happened.

Q: We have plenty of time. Please go on.

Both of us were into the leather lifestyle when we met through a personal ad. Michael's ad was very specific: he was looking for someone to completely dominate and modify to his pleasure. In other word, a slave.

The ad intrigued me. I had been in a number of B&D scenes and also some S&M, but I found them unsatisfying because they were all temporary. After the fun was over, everybody went on with life as usual.

I was looking for a complete life change. I wanted to meet someone who would be part of my life forever. Someone who would control me and change me at his whim.

Q: In other words, you're a true masochist.

Oh yes, no doubt about that. I've always been totally passive in my sexual relationships.

Anyway, we met and there was instant chemistry. Michael is a few years older than me and very good looking. Our personalities meshed totally. He's very dominant.

I went back to his place after drinks and had the best sex of my life. That's when I knew I was going to be with Michael for a long, long time.

Q: What sort of things did you two do?

It was very heavy right away. He restrained me and whipped me for quite awhile. He put clamps on my nipples and a ball gag in my mouth. And he hung a ball bag on my sack with some very heavy weights. That bag really bounced around when Michael fucked me from behind.

Q: Ouch.

(laughs) Yeah, no kidding. At first I didn't think I could take the pain, but Michael worked me through it and after awhile I was flying. I was sorry when it was over.

Michael enjoyed it as much as I did. Afterwards he talked about what kind of a commitment I'd have to make if I wanted to stay with him.

Q: What did he say exactly?

Well, besides agreeing to be his slave in every way, I'd have to be ready to be modified. To have my body modified.

Q: Did he explain what he meant by that?

Not specifically, but I got the general idea. I guessed that something like castration might be part of it.

Q: How did that make you feel?

(laughs) I think it would make any guy a little hesitant.

Q: But it didn't stop you from agreeing to Michael's terms?

No it didn't. I was totally hooked on this man. I knew that I was willing to pay any price to be with him.

Anyway, a few days later I moved in with Michael. He gave me the rules right away: I'd have to be naked at all times while we were indoors, except for a leather dog collar that I could never take off. I had to keep my head shaved. And I had to wear a butt plug except when I needed to take a shit or when we were having sex.

I had to sleep on the floor next to his bed. I ate all my food on the floor, too.

The next day he took me to a piercing parlor where he had my nipples done, and a Prince Albert put into the head of my cock.

Q: Heavy stuff.

Yeah, and it got heavier. He used me as a toilet, pissing in my mouth. I had to lick his asshole clean after he took a shit, too. It was all part of a process to break down any sense of individuality I had. After awhile, I wouldn't hesitate to do anything he asked.

Q: Did the sex get rougher?

Oh God, yeah. He started fisting me every time we had sex. But he really started concentrating on my cock and balls, working them over for hours at a time.

He put pins into the head of my cock and into my sack. He attached clothespins up and down my cock and around my sack. The pain was pretty bad. He had to gag me to keep me from screaming.

Q: When did the idea of nullification come up?

Well, it wasn't nullification at first. He started talking about how I needed to make a greater commitment to him, to do something to show that I was dedicated to him for life.

When I asked him what he meant, he said that he wanted to take my balls.

Q: How did you respond?

Not very well at first. I told him that I liked being a man and didn't want to become a eunuch. But he kept at me, and wore me down. He reminded me that I agreed to be modified according to his wishes, and this is what he wanted for me. Anything less would show that I wasn't really committed to the relationship. And besides, I was a total bottom and didn't really need my balls.

It took about a week before I agreed to be castrated. But I wasn't happy about it, believe me.

Q: How did he castrate you?

Michael had a friend who was into the eunuch scene. One night he came over with his bag of toys, and Michael told me that this was it. I was gonna lose my nuts then and there.

Q: Did you think of resisting?

I did for a minute, but deep down I knew there was no way. I just didn't want to lose Michael. I'd rather lose my balls.

Michael's friend restrained me on the living room floor while Michael videotaped us. He used an elastrator to put a band around my sack.

Q: That must have really hurt.

Hell yeah. It's liked getting kicked in the balls over and over again. I screamed for him to cut the band off, but he just kept on going, putting more bands on me. I had four bands around my sack when he finished.

I was rolling around on the floor screaming, while Michael just videotaped me. Eventually, my sack got numb and the pain subsided. I looked between my legs and could see my sack was a dark purple. I knew my balls were dying inside.

Michael and his friend left the room and turned out the light. I lay there for hours, crying because I was turning into a eunuch and there wasn't anything I could do about it.

Q: What happened then?

Eventually I fell asleep from exhaustion. Then the light switched on and I could see Michael's friend kneeling between my legs, touching my sack. I heard him tell Michael that my balls were dead.

Q: How did Michael react?

Very pleased. He bent down and felt around my sack. He said that it felt cold.

Michael's friend told me that I needed to keep the bands on. He said that eventually my balls and sack would dry up and fall off. I just nodded. What else could I do at that point?

Q: Did it happen just like Michael's friend said?

Yeah, a week or so later my package just fell off. Michael put it in a jar of alcohol to preserve it. It's on the table next to his bed.

Q: How did things go after that?

Michael was really loving to me. He kept saying how proud he was of me, how grateful that I had made the commitment to him. He even let me sleep in his bed.

Q: What about the sex?

We waited awhile after my castration, and then took it easy until I was completely healed. At first I was able to get hard, but as the weeks went by my erections began to disappear.

That pleased Michael. He liked fucking me and feeling my limp cock. It made his dominance over me even greater.

Q: When did he start talking about making you a nullo?

A couple of months after he took my nuts. Our sex had gotten to be just as rough as before the castration. He really got off on torturing my cock. Then he started saying stuff like, "Why do you even need this anymore?"

That freaked me out. I always thought that he might someday take my balls, but I never imagined that he'd go all the way. I told him that I wanted to keep my dick.

Q: How did he react to that?

At first he didn't say much. But he kept pushing. Michael said I would look so nice being smooth between my legs. He said my dick was small and never got hard anymore, so what was the point of having it.

But I still resisted. I wanted to keep my cock. I felt like I wouldn't be a man anymore without it.

Q: So how did he get you to agree?

He didn't. He took it against my will.

Q: How did that happen?

We were having sex in the basement, and I was tied up and bent over this wooden bench as he fucked me. Then I heard the doorbell ring. Michael answered it, and he brought this guy into the room.

At first I couldn't see anything because of the way I was tied. But then I felt these hands lift me up and put me on my back. And I could see it was Michael's friend, the guy who took my nuts.

Q: How did you react?

I started screaming and crying, but the guy just gagged me. The two of them dragged me to the other side of the room where they tied me spread eagled on the floor.

Michael's friend snaked a catheter up my dick, and gave me a shot to numb my crotch. I was grateful for that, at least. I remember how bad it hurt to lose my balls.

Q: What was Michael doing at this time?

He was kneeling next to me talking quietly. He said I'd be happy that they were doing this. That it would make our relationship better. That kind of calmed me down. I thought, "Well, maybe it won't be so bad."

Q: How long did the penectomy take?

It took awhile. Some of the penis is inside the body, so he had to dig inside to get all of it. There was a lot of stitching up and stuff. He put my cock in the same jar with my balls. You can even see the Prince Albert sticking out of the head.

Then they made me a new pisshole. It's between my asshole and where my sack used to be. So now I have to squat to piss.

Q: What has life been like since you were nullified?

After I got over the surgery and my anger, things got better. When I healed up, I began to like my smooth look. Michael brought friends over and they all admired it, saying how pretty I looked. It made me feel good that Michael was proud of me.

Q: Do you have any sexual feeling anymore?

Yes, my prostate still responds when Michael fucks me or uses the buttplug. And my nipples are quite sensitive. If Michael plays with them while fucking me, I have a kind of orgasm. It's hard to describe, but it's definitely an orgasm.

Sometimes Michael says he's gonna have my prostate and nipples removed, but he's just kidding around. He's happy with what he's done to me.

Q: So are you glad Michael had you nullified?

Well, I wouldn't say I'm glad. If I could, I'd like to have my cock and balls back. But I know that I'm a nullo forever. So I'm making the best of it.

Michael and I are very happy. I know that he'll take care of me and we'll be together always. I guess losing my manhood was worth it to make that happen for us.

wonderful (5, Funny)

Trepidity (597) | more than 11 years ago | (#6146883)

Because the CLI is particularly well-suited to tablet PCs, you know.

addendum (2, Interesting)

Trepidity (597) | more than 11 years ago | (#6146891)

Since I know all you Lunix zealots are going to flame me, here's an addendum: yes, I know you can do plenty of things from a GUI in Debian. I use it myself. But you can't really do anything important (system-config type stuff) without resorting to a CLI, or at best an ncurses-based "gui" (that still requires use of a keyboard).

Re:addendum (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6146921)

Holy shit, you have a UID 600 and you used the word 'Lunix...' boy am I confused or what

Re:addendum (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6147131)

That's "Trepidity (597)"and it was "linux zealots". low UID=low "Confusion Level".

Re:addendum (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6146960)

You can add mouse events to a ncurses-based GUI.

Re:addendum (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6147018)

Yeah and he totally wants to reprogram (and debug, etc.) EVERY curses application he wants to use before he uses it... and he could totally do THAT without a command line... and no application would require actions OTHER than mouse actions... RIGHT!

Re:addendum (1)

damiam (409504) | more than 11 years ago | (#6146971)

apt-get install gnome-system-tools

Re:addendum (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6147019)

Yeah, but you need a keyboard on which to type that, dipshit.

Re:addendum (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6147071)

most tablets have a PS/2 port and/or USB ports so you could always hook up a regular keyboard... DIPSHIT.

Re:addendum (4, Informative)

73939133 (676561) | more than 11 years ago | (#6147095)

But you can't really do anything important (system-config type stuff) without resorting to a CLI

Sure you can. You can use Webmin for a web-based GUI, and it lets you administer pretty much everything on a Debian system. As an added bonus, it works pretty much the same way with several other Linux and UNIX flavors.

(There are a number of other GUI-based configuration tools for Linux as well.)

Re:addendum (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6147132)

Of course, any correction of your mis-informed zealotry could only come from a linux bigot, right? Linuxconf anyone?

Re:wonderful (1)

DGolden (17848) | more than 11 years ago | (#6146955)

I would argue that a Tablet PC would actually be quite nice for CLI duty, if it had good handwriting recognition and a good CLI (WinXP tablet edition handwriting recognition and cmd.exe do not necessarily fit the bill).

Think of that Harry Potter book, where he's writing in a diary to an entity contained in the diary, and the entity is replying as lines of text in the diary...

Re:wonderful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6147061)

I would argue that a Tablet PC would actually be quite nice for CLI duty, if it had good handwriting recognition
I would argue that a car would actually be quite nice for flying across the Atlantic Ocean, if it had wings.

Dude, just imagine... (1)

Faust7 (314817) | more than 11 years ago | (#6147028)

...if we had CLI's that worked through handwriting recognition.

I foresee a lot of funny little accidents. "No, no! Don't recompile now!"

Cool... (0, Redundant)

c0dedude (587568) | more than 11 years ago | (#6146885)

That's awesome. I was thinking of buying one of those a while ago. If you want more information go here [pdabuyersguide.com] . Price scared me off, though. Too bad, might reconsider it now.

Re:Cool... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6146945)

You would reconsider it based solely on the fact that it runs Linux? What a fucking knob.

Jesus, what the fuck is wrong with posting?? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6146887)

looks like slashdot is broken again!! Slashdot goes down more often that Rob's mom.

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No kidding (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6146893)

I work for one of the "Top 5" that builds Tablet PCs, and a few of us there have been prodding for approval to look into getting Linux on the Tablet PC. We have even had people come to us representing various distros, but still, our management doesn't see the value in Linux on the Tablet PC.

Another thing is that we get HUGE $$$$$ from Microsoft for advertising and development.

Re:No kidding (5, Interesting)

wwwillem (253720) | more than 11 years ago | (#6147012)

AC wrote: "I work for one of the "Top 5" that builds Tablet PCs ... our management doesn't see the value in Linux ... we get HUGE $$$$$ from Microsoft"

So that demonstrates why it's good that Linux on Tablet PC's is tried and proven to be working. Not so much that it works, but way more that this guy needs to post this anonymously. If I would have been in his position (I'm a corporate worker as well) I would have done the same thing, but it's a shame that someone has to go underground to admit that his boss doesn't allow Linux, because Redmond pays too much.

Thanks for posting this, AC!!!

Re:No kidding (1)

metamatic (202216) | more than 11 years ago | (#6147108)

Tell 'em I'd buy one. And I will never buy one with Windows.

Well, if Sharp ships the Zaurus clamshell in the US I'll probably get that...

Re:No kidding (4, Interesting)

xombo (628858) | more than 11 years ago | (#6147127)

Another thing is that we get HUGE $$$$$ from Microsoft for advertising and development.

Sounds like Microsoft trying to crush linux in the tablet pc industry the same way they did BeOS in the PC industry, sounds like there needs to be another suit against Microsoft by someone like RedHat to keep the same thing from happening to LinuxTabletPC as BeOS. Remember, Microsoft kept PC manufactures from dualbooting Windows and BeOS by telling them they couldn't. If Microsoft didn't bribe the dealers into being so Pro Windows, I bet the competition could be more open, especially if a company like RedHat played.

Re:No kidding (1)

eht (8912) | more than 11 years ago | (#6147210)

Or the way Apple did to crush BeOS on the Mac platform.

Re:No kidding (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6147198)

Well, I in fact work for the "Top 1" that builds Tablet PC's, and I can say that we ARE working on Linux packaging for them, and it will be announced in a few weeks.

Re:No kidding (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6147216)

What's the point of saying you work at a "Top 5" Tablet PC maker when you obviously work at the 5th place Tablet PC maker? Surely you don't work for the 4th largest as you'd then only say you worked within the "Top 4"... So saying "Top 5" really doesn't leave us guessing as one might hope.

handwriting recognition? (3, Interesting)

Tancred (3904) | more than 11 years ago | (#6146901)

I thought handwriting recognition was one of the things people were attracted to when considering a tablet. Doesn't sound like he's got that (other than the graffiti-like app). Any OS programs that fit the bill?

Re:handwriting recognition? (3, Informative)

arose (644256) | more than 11 years ago | (#6146983)

As with most problems there is an Emacs package to solve it (strokes.el).

screw handwriting! (2, Interesting)

twitter (104583) | more than 11 years ago | (#6147209)

First we have to ask what do you want to use the device for? If you want to bang out lots of text, forget this and get a desktop with a good keyboard. If you want to do quick email and web browse, graphiti is all you need. I've used graphiti for data logging in a plant, and it worked well with templates. If you want a little more text in your email or want to take notes, go for speach recognition [debian.org] . Record, ogg, recognize at your later. I'm not very impressed by programs that take many letters at a time in a drawing and process them by graphiti, so that all the errors are left embeded.

In the article: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6147213)

Useful programs
Here are links to some programs I've found useful
  • xscribble [handhelds.org] -- a Graffiti-like text input tool.
  • gsumi [gtk.org] -- a writing/drawing utility.

But what about? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6146905)

1) Ink integration into applications?
2) Handwriting recognition?
3) Documentation annotation?
4) Screen rotation?

If you're going to drop the cash on a tablet pc (over that of a laptop) don't you think that we need to come up with this stuff?

Re:But what about? (2, Insightful)

dcstimm (556797) | more than 11 years ago | (#6146979)

thats the beauty of linux, WRITE THE SOFTWARE your self. Opensource it then you will be all set, plus if you look at the article they show that screen rotation works perfectly. ALso microsoft has been very lazy with the tablet and hasnt intergrated ink support into anything but Windows Journal.

Re:But what about? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6147091)

They've released The Office XP Pack for Tablet PC (Tablet Pack)

http://www.microsoft.com/office/tabletpc/

Re:But what about? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6147133)

ink integration and document annotation: alright, you got me there.
however, if you read the webpage, you may just have seen that he had handwriting recognition and screen rotation working.

goatsemon (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6146913)

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http://www.geocities.com/goatsemon/ [geocities.com]

Re:goatsemon (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6146932)

in case of slashdotting, goatsemon mirror:

http://nero-online.org/goatsemon/ [nero-online.org]

Maybe I'm optimistic... (3, Insightful)

El Cubano (631386) | more than 11 years ago | (#6146915)

That most manufacturers aren't leaping to provide Linux support on their tablet PCs doesn't mean it isn't possible ;)

When will manufacturers (not just tablet PCs, but hardware across the board) realize that supporting Linux will benefit them greatly? I mean, even the small steps that nVidia has taken has won the hearts of many a geek.

I guess they just don't realize it. Funny thing is, I have a friend who works for ATI and says that they use Linux workstations do big chunks of their development, but have never considered explicitly supporting their stuff on Linux. Maybe we should be more vocal as a community.

Re:Maybe I'm optimistic... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6146949)

When will manufacturers (not just tablet PCs, but hardware across the board) realize that supporting Linux will benefit them greatly?

Probably when Linux gains enough market share to matter.

Re:Maybe I'm optimistic... (2, Insightful)

SkArcher (676201) | more than 11 years ago | (#6146950)

It would be hard to imagine a group of people online who are more vocal than slashdot :)

It's just that it isn't, as a whole, yet seen as a priority by the business community to put all that effort into Linux work - and after all, Linux users can do the works themselves, yes?

Re:Maybe I'm optimistic... (2, Interesting)

damiam (409504) | more than 11 years ago | (#6146988)

ATI provides full specifications for their cards to the open-source community. They provide a decent binary driver (not as good as NVidia's, admittedly), and they have submitted patches to XFree86 for the 2D open-source drivers. They haven't GPL'd their entire driver set, but then, neither has anyone else.

Re:Maybe I'm optimistic... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6147058)

Really? Full specifications? What about the NXT2000 VSB demodulator they picked up when they bought NxtWave? Where are the specifications on that?

Re:Maybe I'm optimistic... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6147160)

1. Benefit them how? How does "winning the hearts" of 0.005% of the population benefit them?

2. nVidia isn't the best example to use, the community is kinda upset about them "cheating" on benchmarks.

3. I am 100% sure ATI has considered Linux support. They don't believe it is cost-effective. They are right.

4. More vocal as a community? Slashdot is a pretty vocal community. Are you proposing picketing ATI's offices?

Linux wasn't started as a way to get vendors to do all of a geek's work to support their hardware. When Linux was born, the geek community didn't beg vendors to provide them with drivers. They wrote them. Maybe instead of "being more vocal" you should get off your ass, reverse engineer a chipset or 2, and write some optimized drivers for ATI's products.

I think you are missing the entire point of Linux and what it means to be a geek. Stop whining (or "being more vocal" or whatever you want to call it), and start contributing to the community.

Re:Maybe I'm optimistic... (1)

incom (570967) | more than 11 years ago | (#6147211)

I speak with my wallet. Even though ATI have the most powerful cards atm, I can't use them, so Nvidia gets my money. Same with PC vendors, I would never buy a dell, because that would be spending extra for software I wouldn't use.

Info on Portege 3500? (1)

brent_linux (460882) | more than 11 years ago | (#6146916)

Anyone have any good links for running Linux on the Toshiba Portege 3500?

Getting the WACOM supported and the Wireless working correctly are my main sticklers right now, with Redhat.

Re:Info on Portege 3500? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6147067)

Linux Wacom: http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/

(second result in a google search for wacom linux)

Re:Info on Portege 3500? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6147122)

Try Redhat 9 - I was struggling to get both the Wacom and a Linksys wireless card to work on my older Gateway Celeron 500 notebook. Never could get them to work with RH 7.3 or RH 8.

However, when I recently installed RH 9 (actually even bought it), to my utter amazement, everything_just_worked perfectly. No hassles whatsoever. Now I'm surfing from the toilet. Whooo hoo!

And... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6146922)

That most manufacturers aren't leaping to provide Linux support on their tablet PCs doesn't mean it isn't possible ;)

Just because you can do something, doesn't mean it makes any sense to do it. But kudos never-the-less.

...and in related news... (2, Insightful)

rjch (544288) | more than 11 years ago | (#6146930)

Maybe I'm just not nerd enough, but just because you can run Linux on something, does that necessarily mean that you have to do it?
"Look ma! I've got the toaster running Linux!"
But what does that really acheive, apart from proving to the world that you need to get a life? We already know that Linux is a highly flexible operting system, but unless there's a concrete reason for running Linux on something, it's pointless really. I'm already waiting for the first person to announce that they've converted their internet fridge [cnet.com] to Linux.

Re:...and in related news... (3, Funny)

kavachameleon (637997) | more than 11 years ago | (#6147008)

In the cnet article about the 'net fridge, they mention that soon, the Internet Fridge might be converted to Linux anyway, by the manufacturers. At which point thousands of geeks will either a) Sue them for some odd GPL violation, b) buy millions for no reason, c) complain that it's not using the right distro, or d) bitch about the fact that they have to pay for it at all. :-P (notice the smiley at the end... dont hurt me!)

Re:...and in related news... (2, Interesting)

arose (644256) | more than 11 years ago | (#6147013)

It gives us freedom.

Re:...and in related news... (2, Funny)

WasterDave (20047) | more than 11 years ago | (#6147115)

My thoughts exactly. Perhaps I should write an article "Don't fuck with it! A guide to leaving OS X on an iBook"?

Dave

Re:...and in related news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6147143)

you don't understand. if it scratches an itch, that's reason enough. if he was dissatisfied with the system in the first place, obviously he had a reason to convert. I know what it's like to be stuck with windows and mac os all day. it's incredibly aggrivating even when things work, simply because it's so limition

Congratulations! Next Steps... (5, Interesting)

Tony.Tang (164961) | more than 11 years ago | (#6146939)

Congratulations on getting Linux working on TabletPC hardware. It's always neat to see linux on newer and different hardware.

There are some obvious next steps here. What makes TabletPC is not merely its form-factor or the hardware bits -- it is also, in large part, the software that is running on the TabletPC. TabletPC has all sorts of software hooks to make applications function reasonably well with just ink input. Can someone out there create a linux-equivalent to the ink applications for TabletPC?

For instance, the Journal is super cool. It lets you make notes in ink (or by text), it can translate, etc. Most importantly, you can /search/ using ink.

Most linux and applications in X assume keyboard + mouse input. This is not an unreasonable assumption; however, it does mean that just being able to /run/ the application on this linux/tabletpc is not enough. Many will not be nearly as useful as if they were built assuming some sort of ink interface.

Note: the Ink interface is /not/ the same as a mouse interface. It has different dynamics and unique properties. Applications, for instance, that make use of the wacom tablets will be best suited for the linux/tabletpc combo.

Re:Congratulations! Next Steps... (1)

arose (644256) | more than 11 years ago | (#6147033)

LibStroke [etla.net]

Re:Congratulations! Next Steps... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6147076)

hmm.. sounds like a library used for teledildonics.

Re:Congratulations! Next Steps... (4, Informative)

73939133 (676561) | more than 11 years ago | (#6147068)

Can someone out there create a linux-equivalent to the ink applications for TabletPC?

Yes. In fact, a lot of software already exists. X11 has been used for more than a decade with tablets (Wacom, etc.), so all the pen input and character recognizer support is there. Furthermore, Gtk+ and a few other toolkits have low-level support for pen input.

In addition, the Linux-based handhelds already use pen input, so there is experience with, and support for, Linux and X11-based pen-based applications, although those are, of course, for small-screen devices.

For instance, the Journal is super cool. It lets you make notes in ink (or by text), it can translate, etc. Most importantly, you can /search/ using ink.

I have tried using Journal for taking notes. It makes for a slick demo, but ultimately, I find a keyboard (even a one-handed keyboard) more efficient. Note that few of the features in Journal are novel--similar software has been around for decades.

Note: the Ink interface is /not/ the same as a mouse interface.

You should tell that to Microsoft: most of the software running on Tablet PC has been very poorly adapted to a pen interface and feels like it's been written for a mouse.

the pieces are there, M$ blows again. (2, Insightful)

twitter (104583) | more than 11 years ago | (#6147145)

Open Zaurus has handwriting recongition, though I like the keyboard. Qt/Embeded is GPL. The picture on the front page shows GIMP clearly taking input from the stylus, so it would not be too much to imagine the rest coming along quickly. Any nifty features ink has will come, unless they have patents.

The combination of X and ordinary free software on this platform blows away M$ offerings which restrict you to one user one computer one program, DOS days limits. Find and grep are powerful search tools and not that difficult to learn or use. KDE's embeded konsol has stylus buttons that make using the command line easy: shortcuts to history, enter and commands from a pull down menue that remembers your most common commands. Of course, for note taking, it would be much easier to simply record the conversation as ogg files and then use speach recognition to convert it, how's that for "intuitive"?. At 800 MHz, you should be able to do that, recoginize your hadwriting and serve it all out with apatche dynamically at the same time. Try that with eXPensive software.

My question (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6146941)

How asdfss^H^H^H^H^H^H well does it run porn?

Easier & Safer NTFS resize !! (2, Informative)

Tensor (102132) | more than 11 years ago | (#6146947)

There are lots of apps to resize the XP ntfs partition, safer and easier to use than the ntfsresize app. Like Partition Magic or Partition Manager, or this freeware one: http://www.ranish.com/part/

I don't know why he went to all that trouble

OFFTOPIC ??? RTFA !!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6146993)

Mod Parent up

How can you moderate something as offtopic without reading the article ??

too bad you can't get any real HWR for Linux... (5, Interesting)

RevAaron (125240) | more than 11 years ago | (#6146952)

Yes, this is kind of neat.

But for me, I won't bother with Linux on any stylus-only machine until you can get something resembling real HWR for Linux. Yes, there are softkeyboards and plenty of character recognition schemes. That isn't HWR.

While I'd rather use Linux than Windows for a number of the usual reasons, if I had a tablet, I'd use Win2k on it. At least with Windows I can get real HWR- in the form of PenOffice/CalliGrapher.

While the regular consumer cannot get real HWR for Linux, it does exist. Motorola's Lexicus division makes real HWR software for a number of platforms including Linux. However, you can't download it and install it for free, or even purchse it. You can as an OEM, but that doesn't do me much good. That, and it really blows- I've used Lexicus's HWR on a ProGear webpad under Linux. First, you have to write in a little box, not just anywhere on the screen. You cannot expand the dictionary- so you'll likely be going back to the softkb for names, etc. It is also very slow, at least on a 400 MHz Crusoe. Oh well...

I'd love to be proven wrong. If anyonem knows of any other real HWR software for Linux commercial or free, please holler!

too bad you can't get any real HWR for Tablet PC (3, Interesting)

73939133 (676561) | more than 11 years ago | (#6147023)

I have a couple of Tablet PCs. The handwriting recognition that comes with Tablet PC is largely useless. Furthermore, ink handling is poorly integrated into the OS.

That means that when you use a Tablet PC, you are reduced to using the PocketPC character recognizer or the on-screen keyboard. And for that, Linux has equivalents that are as good or better (xscribble and xvkdb).

So far, there hasn't been much demand for connected handwriting recognition for Linux, or for ink software, because there haven't been many tablets. Now that tablets are fairly affordable, thanks to Microsoft, that is likely going to change. Open source operates in response to supply and demand; it's not usually first, but it usually fills the needs of users.

Cool! How about handwriting recognition? (2, Insightful)

PolR (645007) | more than 11 years ago | (#6146982)

I like it! Nothing stops the Linux community!

Next step: is there a good free handwriting recognition software? I mean one that can work in two languages on the same system? The one bundled with Windows restricts you to one language.

I wanted to purchase a Tablet, but it is useless if it can't work both in my mother tongue and in English. There is an Internet here! You can't stick to one language unless you are born English.

Hitachi Linux-based Tablet (1)

rjamestaylor (117847) | more than 11 years ago | (#6146987)

Hitachi and Codehost to sell Linux-based tablet systems [lwn.net] : Whatever happened to this? I can't find a reference to the Hitachi Linux Tablet on neither Hitachi's nor Codehost's sites.

I had intended to wonder why anyone needed to convert a Windows XP Tablet machine to Linux when a Linux solution exists, but I guess it was merely an announcement to gauge interest.

yes but ... (2, Interesting)

Vilim (615798) | more than 11 years ago | (#6146991)

Aside from the "wow" factor of this, I am not sure that there are any real advantages to installing Linux on a tablet PC. One of the TPC's main selling points is the HWR, which isn't in linux. I use linux (gentoo) on the desktop, I love linux, however I have enough of an open mind to realise that linux is not the best solution to everything. I think that htis is one of those cases.

is it just me (0, Offtopic)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 11 years ago | (#6147014)

or has Debian unstable been realy messed up?

THAT'S WHY IT'S CALLED 'UNSTABLE', DUMBASS. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#6147083)

Preemptive slashdot effect relief (1)

Zepalesque (468881) | more than 11 years ago | (#6147039)

Google Cache [216.239.37.100]

Running WinXP On PunchCard MainFrame (5, Funny)

maliabu (665176) | more than 11 years ago | (#6147049)

Will it be cooler or "wower" to be able to install and run WindowsXP on a PunchCard MainFrame, so you scan or bluetooth (Plug'n'Play you see?) a bunch of punch hole signals and it'll produce a nicely formatted Word document?

wow. kudos to the hacker. (-1, Offtopic)

kayen_telva (676872) | more than 11 years ago | (#6147109)

you sure were determined and Im impressed.

keep us updated

Water proof (1)

Servo (9177) | more than 11 years ago | (#6147125)

What I'd like is a waterproof tablet PC. I messed up my knee so I've been regularly having to soak my legs in hot water for therapy. Being able to utilize that time just turning into a prune would be nice.

Re:Water proof (1)

damiam (409504) | more than 11 years ago | (#6147168)

Take a big tub of hot water, stick it under a desk, and use your normal desktop PC. What's wrong with that?

Gnome 1.4? (1)

MrBadbar (168841) | more than 11 years ago | (#6147140)

Wow, somebody seriously needs to look into the Gnome2 backport to Woody.

Re:Gnome 1.4? (1)

Gantoris (442791) | more than 11 years ago | (#6147182)

add the following to youre sources.list :-

# For gnome2.2
deb http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/mirrors.evilgeniuses. org.uk/debian/backports/woody gnome2.2/
deb-src http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/mirrors.evilgeniuses. org.uk/debian/backports/woody gnome2.2/

# For XFree86 4.2
deb http://people.debian.org/~blade/woody/i386 ./

remove the spaces inserted by /.
Enjoy!

Baby-Brother Syndrom (2, Insightful)

maliabu (665176) | more than 11 years ago | (#6147181)

I think the whole LOY [Linux On You!(tm)] thing is a bit pointless after a while. however i also reckon Linux is growing every day because it's showing the baby-brother syndrom, where the youngest sibling in the family always try to copy/emulate or even better what his elder siblings have done.

So if i see my elder brother has successfully installed Linux on XBox, i for sure want to install Linux on C100 with ink feature!

Where Do You Want Linux To Run Today?(tm)

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