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First Look At SuSE Linux 8.2 196

Posted by CmdrTaco from the poke-it-with-a-stick dept.
TheMadPenguin writes "Once again I find myself checking out the newest SuSE release, and to tell you the truth, I really enjoy it. My personal computer is running Slackware (yes, I upgraded to 9.0 immediately), and I wouldn't trade it for any other distribution in the world, but I've got to say is that SuSE is still at the top of their game. When you look at all the desktop distros out there such as Mandrake, Lycoris, and Red Hat, they all really have their endearing factors, but they all are lacking in one way or another. Check out the entire review at MadPenguin.org. Complete with screenshots :)"
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  • It's funny (Score:2, Funny)

    by Eudial ( 590661 )
    It's funny how all dists seem to come with new versions at the same time. Conspiracy? Aliens? Illuminati? Flesh eating spiders from mars? Thermonuclear sharks with lasers attatched to their heads?

    • Re:It's funny (Score:4, Interesting)

      by gmuslera ( 3436 ) on Sunday March 30, 2003 @10:55AM (#5626135) Homepage Journal
      I think that the reason is more big packages released recently (KDE 3.1, Mozilla 1.3, GNOME 2.2, XFree 4.3, etc) and a big amount of critical packages fixed (sendmail, samba, etc).

      And, of course, time since their last release. If well they don't have to release at the same time, the previous factors helps to do some kind of syncronization (be because "lets release a new version now that package XX version YY is released" or "release now because the ZZ distribution have the XX package version YY and we don't")

    • Re:It's funny (Score:3, Insightful)

      by watzinaneihm ( 627119 )
      It's funny how all dists seem to come with new versions at the same time.
      I believe its tbe kernel. SuSe's latest distro uses 2.4.20 kernel. Redhat is pretty much at the same place with RH 9. Whenever a new kernel comes along and breaks a binary compatibility with the previous versions, a new whole number comes out.
      A new UI, applciation etc. makes a point release.Since all the distros use pretty much the same apps, synchro. releases are to be expected. Note that Debian and Gentoo don't play along.

      • Re:It's funny (Score:3, Informative)

        by mattdm ( 1931 )
        Kernels don't necessarily break binary compatibility. glibc is a more typical culprit.
      • Whenever a new kernel comes along and breaks a binary compatibility with the previous versions, a new whole number comes out.

        I don't see how a new kernel "breaks binary compatibility". If glibc were upgraded yes, it might affect all the shared libs dynamically linked to it, but not the kernel.
      • I have not been following the kernel that closely for awhile; What binary issue in the kernel are you alluding to?
    • Thermonuclear sharks with lasers attatched to their heads

      I think you'll find thats frikkin' lazers
    • SuSE has released a new version roughly every 6 months for years. It's not driven by anything beyond that being a reasonable pace. It keeps customers fairly current, bundles a reasonable amount of overall improvement in each release, but isn't so frequent that the end-user feels like they are constantly updating. You can expect SuSE 8.3/9.0 (depending on the amount and importance of the changes) around October.

  • ey (Score:2, Informative)

    by Tolleman ( 606762 )
    "Once I installed the current 1.0-4191 video drivers" From what I have experienced with them. They are a bit (massive lag impulses) slow with 2d. I think it is because nVidia is developing their own 2d renderer or something.

  • Site is VARY slow (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 30, 2003 @10:53AM (#5626127)
    Once again I find myself checking out the newest SuSE release, and to tell you the truth, I really enjoy it. My personal computer is running Slackware (yes, I upgraded to 9.0 immediately), and I wouldn't trade it for any other distribution in the world, but I've got to say is that SuSE is still at the top of their game. When you look at all the desktop distros out there such as Mandrake, Lycoris, and Red Hat, they all really have their endearing factors, but they all are lacking in one way or another.

    This is not to say that SuSE is perfect, because it's not. It has it's irritations just like any other OS, but they are minimal. More on that later... let's get on with it.

    Joe Eckert at SuSE, as always, rushed a copy of their newest release to us. I finished up my work, brewed a fresh pot of coffee, and sat down with our new found treasure. It was just like Christmas. No other distro really gets me this excited, except for maybe Slackware :) Hey, I'm the first guy to check out all the new toys, and I don't miss a chance to play.

    The test machine used is a clone we built with the following specs:
    • Abit KG7-RAID mainboard
    • AMD Athlon XP 1600+ CPU
    • 512MB RAM
    • LG 40x CD/RW
    • SoundBlaster Live! Platinum 5.1 w/ Live!Drive
    • 3Com 905C NIC
    • 60GB HDD
    • 128MB MSI NVIDIA GeForce4 MX440 AGP Video
    • 256MB USB Pen Drive

    The nice part about a machine like this is that we usually don't run into too many compatibility issues. In a way I prefer this, but it would be nice to have some really interesting parts to test with, but our budget doesn't permit it at this time. Donations are welcome :)

    Installation

    If you've ever installed SuSE Linux before, the installation routine has not changed much at all. If you haven't, let me explain the procedure briefly for you. SuSE has always had a great installer, though it can be a bit cumbersome due to the amount of user input it requires... compared to other distros in its class. For instance, Ark Linux requires the end user to answer only a few questions before proceding. Red Hat and Mandrake ask a few more. Slackware asks more, but is for a more experienced user. SuSE stops at every step of the way and asks about configuration. I'm not really saying this is bad, because it isn't, but it's not for the impatient. The nice part about it is that when setup is complete, you will have a running system that really doesn't require any more setup. Once the OS is up and running, you can immediately begin working (or playing, depending on the situation).

    The first thing I noticed when the installer started was that it was using antialiased fonts and the Keramik theme. Nice touch! Compared to their previous versions, this is a welcome change. Most people view this as purely eye candy, but I tend to think of it differently. I see it as less of a strain on your eyes to read the text presented to you. It also looks more appealing to new users. Those of us who have used Linux extensively have grown somewhat used to looking at jagged fonts over the years, but to a new user (coming from Windows or Mac), this is an immediate turn off. My hat's off to SuSE for realizing the importance of first impressions.

    The next thing that stood out, other than flawless hardware detection and my timezone was actually correct, was that GNOME was not selected by default in the software list. Well, what about all my apps that require the GNOME/GTK libraries? No problem. I did a search on some of the libraries necessary for operation of traditional GNOME/GTK apps and they were all preselected. Nice touch. This goes a long way with me. For the diehard GNOME users out there, it is still an option. Don't worry. I used to be a GNOME user, but tried KDE 3.1 when it came out and was immediately a convert. SuSE has always placed more emphasis on the KDE environment, so this was not surprising at all.

    I made some custom selections to try and break dependencies,

    • How can they have GCC 3.3?

      GCC's website (http://www.fsf.org/software/gcc/releases.html) lists 3.2.2 as the latest release.

      • on my freebsd box, these are the versions of gcc that are available as ports:
        /usr/ports/lang $ ls -a | grep gcc
        gcc27
        gcc28
        gcc295
        gcc30
        gcc31
        gcc32
        gcc33
        /usr/ports/lang $

        Version 3.3 [gnu.org] is beta though.
    • Does that mean that sometimes it's slow and sometimes it isn't?
    • "The only complaint I really can think of through this whole experience is that some of the applications didn't work."

      So nothing major then ? ;)
    • While it may not be the first choice for veteran Linux users, [..] Well, if Linus Torvalds uses SuSE as his home system (and he does), that's good enough for me.

      Eh? Who's more veteran than Linus?

    • By the time I got to it, any attempt to access Modpenguin produced a stream of MySQL errors.

      Attention, content-management hackers. MySQL appeals, because it's open-source, it's easy to set up, and it handles very simple queries quickly. THESE ARE ITS ONLY VIRTUES . Once your web site starts getting traffic, you have to start looking at a real DBMS that optimizes complex queries and scales worth a damn. Here's one [postgresql.org], and another [sapdb.org], and yet another [sourceforge.net].

  • Is he talking about Mad Penguin's Web site?

  • I still have SuSE 8.0 installed on most of my computers, and laptop. And I got to say I like it very much.

    SuSE is a good solid Linux distro.

    From the screenshots, looks like they upgraded the theme of YaST 2 to Keramik and changed the default theme colour to blue. Good stuff. If they make a full list (and links) of patches / add-on of their kernel along with the documentations, it would make my life compiling kernel easier.

    • From the screenshots, looks like they upgraded the theme of YaST 2 to Keramik and changed the default theme colour to blue. Good stuff.

      fyi: those things were already changed with SuSE 8.1

  • KDE broken? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by watzinaneihm ( 627119 ) on Sunday March 30, 2003 @11:03AM (#5626157) Journal
    From the article
    The only complaint I really can think of through this whole experience is that some of the applications didn't work. You would launch them from the K menu and nothing would happen.
    Saw the samething with RH9.Try a simple KscreenShot->Save on RH9. While it was expected with RH and their Bluecurve, whats wrong with Suse?
    Also the test machine seems to have been an AMD, while I believe most distros put in a Intel optimised Kernel (atleast RH does) and the author mentions that it runs slower than a source distro.Shouldnt he have recompiled the kernel ideally>
    • Saw the samething with RH9.Try a simple KscreenShot->Save on RH9.

      Red Hat Linux 9 ISOs will be available to paid subscribers starting March 31, 2003--a week before they will be available on redhat.com, in stores, or on Red Hat FTP.

      A bit hard for most of us to try, especially since today is the 30th...

    • Re:KDE broken? (Score:2, Informative)

      by sjbcfh ( 611594 )
      Also the test machine seems to have been an AMD, while I believe most distros put in a Intel optimised Kernel (atleast RH does) and the author mentions that it runs slower than a source distro.Shouldnt he have recompiled the kernel ideally

      No need to recompile the kernel. SuSE provides an Athlon-optimized kernel which one can chose during the install.

  • Whats new? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by gmuslera ( 3436 ) on Sunday March 30, 2003 @11:05AM (#5626163) Homepage Journal
    more than the package versions, most of the things that the author says that are "new" to the distribution itself seems to be already in 8.1 (yast2 package manager, the desktop, the menus, boot, etc).

    New packages are important, but I have them installed in 8.1 already, and the changes that should matter should be in what differenciate this distribute to the others, and itself in previous versions

    • Re:Whats new? (Score:2, Informative)

      by twener ( 603089 )
      You have your SuSE upgraded to glibc 2.3 and compiled with gcc 3.3? And sure the development is evolutionary (faster YOU, YOU at install, common desktop look [Keramik/Geramik], better WLAN support) rather than revolutionary.

  • Fonts look nice... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by gbrall ( 611441 )
    Does anyone know whether this clean fonts in the screenshots are out-of-the-box or added by the reviewer?
  • Warning: Too many connections in /usr/local/psa/home/vhosts/madpenguin.org/httpdoc s /mainfile.php on line 28
    Warning: Access denied for user: 'apache@localhost' (Using password: NO) in /usr/local/psa/home/vhosts/madpenguin.org/httpdocs /mainfile.php on line 32
    Warning: MySQL Connection Failed: Access denied for user: 'apache@localhost' (Using password: NO) in /usr/local/psa/home/vhosts/madpenguin.org/httpdocs /mainfile.php on line 32
    Warning: MySQL: A link to the server could not be established in /usr/loca

  • Frames Per Second (Score:2, Interesting)

    by 5lash ( 589953 )
    I'm not sure I understand this:

    on Slackware Linux (and also VectorLinux), graphics performance was about 2500-2600 frames/second using OpenGL. With SuSE Linux 8.2 I am experiencing frame rates of about 2000-2100 frames/sec. This is a noticeable drop in performance, but again,

    for most users this will go unnoticed.

    As far as i know the human eye can only see about 30fps, and from playing Counter-Strike a lot, people seem to be generally pleased as long as they have above 60fps. Does he really mean he's g

    • It is true. GLXGEARS pulls frame rates like that all day long with a good card. Games such as CounterStrike will not, though. It's just a benchmark really. Thats why I said most people wont even notice it, but for benchmark purposes, it's just a way to compare, and say "Hey this card ran better under slackware!". :)
      • Oh right, thanks for clearing that up. Surely it'd be better to use a more up to date benchmark system though, with more realistic helpful scores. Something like that probably doesnt test the graphics to it's full potential. Anyway i dont really know what i'm talking about.

    • Re:Frames Per Second (Score:3, Informative)

      by damiam ( 409504 )
      glxgears is an extremely simple 3D demo, it runs at 600fps on my Athlon with no 3d accel whatsoever. A card that runs glxgears at 2000fps will run real games at much lower framerates. No, you can't visibly tell the difference between 500fps and 40000fps in glxgears, but it's a benchmark, so you don't need to.
    • This is offtopic kind of but there is a HUGE difference between a geForce 4 MX model and a geForce 4 ti like mine. He was getting only 200-2100? Here's a cut and paste from Redhat 8.0 on a ti 4200 running on an Athlon 1.33. Is there such a simple and easy to use and free benchmarking utility for Windows?
      [root@PlanetExpress bax]# glxgears
      31079 frames in 5.0 seconds = 6215.800 FPS
      31880 frames in 5.0 seconds = 6376.000 FPS
      31946 frames in 5.0 seconds = 6389.200 FPS
      31837 frames in 5.0 seconds = 6367.400 FPS
      • This is offtopic kind of but there is a HUGE difference between a geForce 4 MX model and a geForce 4 ti like mine. He was getting only 200-2100?

        This is because there is a huge [pantherproducts.co.uk] difference between the MX and TI models.

    • Re:Frames Per Second (Score:3, Informative)

      by kidlinux ( 2550 )
      The performance of glxgears is completely, 100% meaningless unless you are given ALL the details.
      When I run glxgears, it comes up in a 300x300 window, and I get ~1110fps consistently. When the window is full screen (1600x1200) that drops to 67fps. If I put the glxgears window behind another window, I go up to about 4050fps.

      This is on an amd thunderbird 1.4 @ 266, and an ATI Radeon 64MB ddr.

      Assuming glxgears comes up in a 300x300 window by default, you still need to know what depth and resolution X is ru
      • The reason there is a noticable difference between 30, 60 and even 90 fps under quake is that these numbers measure the average fps. Depending upon the scene being rendered, the actual fps for that individual scene could drop low enough that you could see some lag and/or choppiness.

        Another thing to consider is the refresh rate on your monitor. If your monitor is running at 60Hz, you're not going to SEE anything above 60fps. This effect can readily be seen on glxgears. If you could actually SEE the fps

    • Re:Frames Per Second (Score:3, Interesting)

      by badasscat ( 563442 )
      As far as i know the human eye can only see about 30fps, and from playing Counter-Strike a lot, people seem to be generally pleased as long as they have above 60fps. Does he really mean he's getting 2000 frames per second? Someone explain please!

      It's a myth that the human eye can only see 30, or 24, or whatever arbitrarily low number of frames per second you want to come up with. First of all, the limiter is not the eye, it's the brain. So the more accurate phraseology would be "the human brain can on
    • As far as i know the human eye can only see about 30fps, and from playing Counter-Strike a lot, people seem to be generally pleased as long as they have above 60fps.

      This is pure myth. The human eye can see far more than 30fps.

      AFAIK this myth comes from NTSC TV being roughly 30fps, but even that is a myth in some respects, since your TV picture is interleved. What that means is that each frame is split into 2 fields, one comprising all the odd numbered lines and one comprising all the even numbered ones.

  • Observation (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Erwos ( 553607 ) on Sunday March 30, 2003 @11:26AM (#5626235)
    I always find it interesting how some people see what other people think are cons as pluses.

    Here's a good example: the story's author likes how SuSE prompts you for information constantly during install. I've heard that as a criticism from other people - why won't this thing just install, dammit!?

    It's also a good reason why some people prefer certain distributions and hate others. The guy who likes Debian may not care about a complicated install process and tons of configuration afterwards if he gets auto-upgrade functionality like that found in apt-get, whereas a RedHat user might prefer auto-detection and a really nice-looking desktop (Bluecurve) in exchange for the lack of apt-get functionality.

    This is why such casual observations as "X distribution sucks, Y is so much better" tend to be so idiotic - not everyone has their priorities in the same places. What's good for me might not be so good for you, and vica versa.

    -Erwos
    • "What's good for me might not be so good for you, and vica [sic] versa."

      Indeed. Isn't that why we all came over here to LinuxLand from WindozeWorld (or for the lucky, never spent any time at all in WindozeWorld) in the first place? We can praise and dis each others' distros out here like Ford/Chevy/Dodge truck owners, but the joy is, there are distros to praise and dis.

    • whereas a RedHat user might prefer auto-detection and a really nice-looking desktop (Bluecurve) in exchange for the lack of apt-get functionality.

      Thats what we have Mandrake for :). URPMI kicks ass.
    • Here's a good example: the story's author likes how SuSE prompts you for information constantly during install. I've heard that as a criticism from other people - why won't this thing just install, dammit!?

      The way I read that it was a criticism, but was mitigated by the fact that it resulted in an immediately usable system upon completion of the install.

      Of course, my posting that only enforces your observation.

  • Where to get some Suse love? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by rosewood ( 99925 ) <rosewood@@@chat...ru> on Sunday March 30, 2003 @11:31AM (#5626257) Homepage Journal
    Recently, someone pointed me to Suse's Open Exchange Server [suse.com] and I was blown away by it. I have quite a few small (2-3 people) offices that are REALLY wanting a way to share calenders and other stuff. MS's Exchange server is WAY TOO DAMN EXPENSIVE. It would seem just a simple computer running Suse's OE would be perfect! However...

    I am really not a linux expert. Ive run Red Hat for years and I like it -- but its not my primary box. It just sits for web serving and ftp. Ill open up VNC and browse through it when Im doing some random stuff that eats up CPU time on this box and Ill also use it when Im at the library or something and I want to use Phoenix -- but thats about it. So, I dunno if I can handle the switch to SuSE.

    Also, the other problem I have is with SuSE support. Recently they started offering This evaluation [suse.com] program for OE server. It sounds like $20 gets OE server and I can install it on a box running SuSE and go to town, assuming I can RTFM. I think this would be GREAT! It gives me a chance to demo this out and decide if I want to try to sell it to the small offices I do work for. However, as stupid as it sounds, $30 (after shipping) is hard to come by as a college student. So, I sent them an e-mail asking 1: How long it takes to get shipped out post order and 2: Could I just pay the $20 and download the isos? That was Monday and today is Sunday, and I didn't receive anything back from them. Considering part of the $1,250 paid for OE Server is a year of support from Suse, I need to know that they will be there.

    I'd read the article posted, but it has already been slashdoted :( Are there some good community sites out there for Suse? People that actually use OE Server?

    PS -- If anyone knows of any alternatives to OE Server, please let me know! I need to be able to share calenders and address books for clients running outlook 2k/XP/2k3. If you know of a way to make iCal and vCards work and well for outlook, I could even live with that.
    • In the U.S., you might check out Ricis, Inc. [ricis.com], which is a SuSE partner and sets up a lot of SuSE systems (including the open exchange server) for enterprises and organizations of many shaps and sizes. Their other specialty is security.

      [ Disclaimer: I consult for this company. ]

      • Well -- all bias aside, is oes as kick ass as it looks?

        Even though Im a total n00b, Ill probably have to go into this venture by myself. If I can RTFM, will I still be up a shit's creek?

        One other thing no one has been able to answer, does this require that I have a FQDN?

        PS - I cry to see the powered by win2k server at the bottom of your page.
    • You might want to try the SuSE mailing list, that way you will be in direct contact with other SuSE users and I am sure at least a few will be able to answer this questions from the viewpoint of a consumer :).

      StarTux
    • You may want to keep an eye on the Kroupware Project with it's kolab server: http://kroupware.kde.org [kde.org]

      It requires a commercial plugin from outlook and is currently beta, but it could be one for the future.
    • PS -- If anyone knows of any alternatives to OE Server, please let me know! I need to be able to share calenders and address books for clients running outlook 2k/XP/2k3.

      Check out InsightConnector [bynari.net]. You can try it out for 14 days, pretty cheap and it works with the Cyrus IMAP [cmu.edu] server.

    • First, there's the online SuSE support database, which you can get to from their website. I honestly don't use it much since I have a hard time finding what I'm looking for. Maybe I just use the wrong terminology in my searches, I don't know.

      Where I usually go is USENET, particularly alt.linux.suse, although if the question is regarding a specific application, such as Samba or Wine, I'll usually go to the appropriate comp.os.* group.

      One area where SuSE really stands out, though, is their printed manuals,
  • KDE loads and runs perfectly with no delays launching windows and apps take minimal time to load. It's not quite as fast as source-based distros, but for an everyday user, this is completely acceptable behavior. It still runs TONS better than Windows 9x, NT/2000, and XP combined. Who is he kidding? As much as we all love linux and free software. A thing as opening new windows is one of the things that works well on windows. Always fast and the windows is opened before you release the mouse button. /Esben
  • In case y'all didn't know, SuSE is Slackware's long long lost bastard child. It sprung directly from it just as Redhat squirted out Mandrake.

    - IP

  • Another distro diary (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Telex4 ( 265980 ) on Sunday March 30, 2003 @11:58AM (#5626349) Homepage
    I'm getting a little bored of these reviews... they read more like little diary entries than full reviews. This one is better than most, but it is still just a rambling tale of the odd things this person noticed about the product. At the moment, the only way to determine which distro is better is to try them all, or to sift through reviews weeding out the occasional shred of information from the random problems each person had.

    A breakdown of what the distro offers in the way of tools, unusual packages, speed, stability, etc. would be nice. I know it might get a bit repetetive over many versions, but it's still useful to get it all down, and also to comment on how well they work.

    Me thinks it's time to set-up www.troll-diary.org and let these reviews be posted alongside the usual ill-thought-out "Linux won't succeed until..." and "distro x isn't as good as BeOS because...". It'll save me checking them out at least :)
    • Me thinks it's time to set-up www.troll-diary.org and let these reviews be posted alongside the usual ill-thought-out "Linux won't succeed until..." and "distro x isn't as good as BeOS because...". It'll save me checking them out at least :)

      Dude, we've got that already [osnews.com]. And that *plus* a dominatrix style webmistress who doesn't know the language she's writing in. You can't top that.

  • I used to use SuSE on a number of machines some time ago (started with SuSE 6, last version I used was SuSE 6.2).
    What really used to annoy me was the propensity it had for just editing config files I had altered, without any warnings. ISTR there was a change you could make in a rc file somewhere that would stop YAST from doing this, but then that meant newly installed packages didn't configure themselves correctly.
    Have SuSE since fixed this? I now run Debian on my machines at home, whilst at work we use
    • Yes, it detects wether you have edited a file and only overwrites, the global rc file is also gone.
    • Same end, different reasons. My primary reason was based on an old experience, and no doubt people will say 'it's better!' but I don't have a major need to switch and learn another distro.

      Back in 99 and 2000, I was trying out various distros - tried Caldera, RedHat, Mandrake, Suse on the same machine. Debian later on a different machine, but that was a different story.

      Same hardware, but Suse took 100% longer to install, and at that point installed far fewer packages than the others, using a 'default' in
    • > last version I used was SuSE 6.2). What really used to annoy me was the propensity it had for just editing config files I had altered, without any warnings.

      Still argueing with bugs fixed years ago? What a poor discussion.
    • in 7.x I noticed that YAST2 would only run into serious problems if I tried to configure two different ethernet cards from different manufactures (ended up editing the conf.modules). I am sure this has been fixed by now (or at least hope it has). In 7.0 the ReiserFS driver was buggy and sometimes I would end up with weird issues due to metadata corruption (fixed in 7.1).

      My experience with SuE has been mixed, but I have to say that many of their default install options are aimed at creating a functional s
  • All pre-packaged distros suck. Build your own linux distro... from scratch [linuxfromscratch.org].

    (Chicken-v.-Egg Warning: You'll need a working linux system to build one from scratch.)

    I started compiling from source two weeks ago and just built Mozilla last night! w00t!

  • GENTOO PLUG (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Syncroswitch ( 656450 )
    I find SuSE to be a bit rough on the updates, and the live cd, no download thing is not acceptable. Dont get me wrong I like suse, and I paid for boxed sets of 6, 6.1, 7, 8, but its just not worth it anymore. Gentoo gives me all the bleeding edge that I can handle, with a 10th the fuss, and its free, AS IN BEER.
    • Sure, free as in beer, but how much did your hardware cost? Compiling everything from source is not an option on older hardware (wasn't that one of the original benefits of linux, to run on older hardware that windows bloat was dog slow on???). I'd rather buy a boxed set on my old hardware than drop $$$ on new hardware so I can compile my free software. But hey, I'm cheap.
  • Does anyone know if Suse is distributed in ISO format?I'd like to have permanent copies of the install disks, because I expect to be moving soon, and don't know when I'll have fast internet again... Any help would be greatly appreciated.
  • Complete with screenshots :) = Site down

    Mirrors?

  • SuSE Linux 8.2 Product Pages (Score:3, Informative)

    by twener ( 603089 ) on Sunday March 30, 2003 @01:49PM (#5626789)
    There [suse.com] are more screenshots than in this review.
  • All these distributions are great, but what I really want is the ability to install a printer without editing text files and starting a service to do it, and have my printers actually show up in my applications.
  • Howdy,

    I am a windows XP user. I've had redhat installed before with win2k, dual boot, but haven't used Linux since I upgraded to XP. I just looked at the Suse page and could not find anything under install that led me to believe the two operating systems would work together. I am a clueless windows user. If you want me to run linux, and Suse looks real pretty, I need to have my hand held a bit more.

    I have plenty of space, and a real desire to try out Suse, but not at the risk of damaging my XP install

    • Re:Target us clueless Windows users (Score:1, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Check the documentatipon on Windows XP bootloader.

      When you find out how bloddy hindering awkward that is, take a look at the install book you get with SuSE boxed set. It goes into this in some detail.

      The only point where you'll have problem is resizing the partition XP is on (this is a problem with XP, since most of the other "enterprise grade" filesystems hadnle partition resizes). If the automatic tools won't work (ask SuSE - they will answer you), then look into a commercial tool for handling any OS pa
  • Does anyone know if SuSE 8.2 supports LT winmodems? (I know... "ugh!", but my laptop came with one and I don't feel like spending extra money on a pcmcia card) This is pretty much the only point that keeps me with RedHat at the moment.

  • SuSE (Score:2)

    by GypC ( 7592 )

    I usually define SuSE as AIX written by Germans on crack. -- Derry Hamilton, alt.sysadmin.recovery

  • SuSE 8.1 could never detect my monitors, has this changed? Red Hat, Mandrake, Slackware, and just about every other disto I've tried can except SuSE.
  • After browsing through their ftp server for a little bit, I discovered that 8.2 won't be available until April 11 [suse.com]. Latest version that's available right now is 8.1

  • Sad... (Score:2)

    by t0ny ( 590331 )
    TheMadPenguin writes "Once again I find myself checking out the newest SuSE release, and to tell you the truth, I really enjoy it. My personal computer is running Slackware (yes, I upgraded to 9.0 immediately), and I wouldn't trade it for any other distribution in the world, but I've got to say is that SuSE is still at the top of their game. When you look at all the desktop distros out there such as Mandrake, Lycoris, and Red Hat, they all really have their endearing factors, but they all are lacking in on

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