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Linux 2.4.18 Released

michael posted more than 12 years ago | from the power-of-pure-penguins dept.

Linux 391

Kourino writes: "Marcelo announced the release of 2.4.18 a couple hours ago after 4 release candidates, but the tree marked 2.4.18 on kernel.org is missing the -rc4 patch that finally made the kernel releasable. Basically, what's marked as 2.4.18 is really -rc3, and what's marked as -rc4 is what should have become 2.4.18. According to Marcelo on #kernelnewbies, most users won't be affected, but people on SPARC systems should definitely grab 2.4.18-rc4. Your best bet is probably just to get 2.4.17 and patch to 2.4.18-rc4. Seems 2.4 is destined to be an "interesting" release branch ^_^; For the new release, head over to your favorite kernel.org mirror. (Marcelo will set things straight in 2.4.19-pre1.)"

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i wouldnt use this one (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067087)

i corrupts your filesystem

Re:i wouldnt use this one (0)

beezly (197427) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067106)

Perhaps you would like to add some detail.

"It corrupts your filesystems is useless".

Does it corrupt ext2fs, reiserfs... what fs type? or is it *all* filesystems. Please expand on your comment.

Re:i wouldnt use this one (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067151)

All your filesystem corruption are belong to us!

Re:i wouldnt use this one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067160)

No, he said "i corrupts your filesystem", obviously meaning that he, the AC, corrupted your filesystem.

He is obviously an Evil Hacker(tm) or Terrorist(tm). We must contact the FBI immediately!

Yet another sourceforge bulliten (-1)

I.T.R.A.R.K. (533627) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067090)

*yawn*

damn skippy (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067097)

fp!

this is an enterprise ready os? (0, Flamebait)

ostiguy (63618) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067098)

C'mon, we're all friends here. Lets just forget this mess ever happened and relabel 2.4.x rightfully as 2.3.

Re:this is an enterprise ready os? (5, Insightful)

Archie Steel (539670) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067118)

Come on, it's been enterprise-ready for a while, now. Businesses don't need the "latest kernel available", they want the most stable. There are a couple of extremely stable kernels out there...

Re:this is an enterprise ready os? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067179)

with shitty performance and features :)
haha

weenies

Re:this is an enterprise ready os? (1)

J'raxis (248192) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067199)

Yeah, in the 2.2.* branch

Re:this is an enterprise ready os? (3, Funny)

brer_rabbit (195413) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067200)

There are a couple of extremely stable kernels out there...


Yeah, and we'd like to know which ones!

Re:this is an enterprise ready os? (4, Insightful)

reaper20 (23396) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067245)

Redhat and Suse provide some damn good kernels. I've had no problems whatsoever. They really stress test those things.

Boy, everyone sure loves to jump on the "2.4.x sucks" bandwagon. Sure, there were some issues in the past, but I would like to know how many people reading slashdot right now are really seeing all of these problems.

90% of you who got burned and will "go back to 2.2.x" were probably being stupid and tried it on a production server and got properly burned.

Test your shit before you deploy, if you're not doing that then you're an idiot.

Re:this is an enterprise ready os? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067291)

This has to be the biggest load of bull I've ever heard. How about those SuSE and RedHat distributions that shipped with 2.4.1 and 2.4.2? They were just plain BROKEN and did not perform correctly for countless reasons. Someone deserves to get burned because they tried to roll out a "stable" kernel on a production server? I'm not sure what sort of company you're working for, but in the real world, that's simply unacceptable.

Re:this is an enterprise ready os? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067305)

Test your shit before you deploy, if you're not doing that then you're an idiot.

... or deploy Win2k and avoid all of these problems.

Re:this is an enterprise ready os? (5, Funny)

Pope Slackman (13727) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067246)

There are a couple of extremely stable kernels out there...

There sure are. Here's one [freebsd.org] and here's another. [openbsd.org]

C-X C-S

Re:this is an enterprise ready os? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067130)

C'mon, we're all friends here. Lets just forget that comment and relabel 'ostiguy' as 'troll'.

Re:this is an enterprise ready os? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067237)

Hey if Windows can claim to be enterprise ready with the csrss.exe backspace bug [tesco.net] present I think Linux can claim to be enterprise ready.

Another release (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067101)

So? Underwhelming, to say the least.

Major revs. Update us on the kernel for major revs. Don't tell us every time it gets incremented by 0.0.01

foo post (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067107)

first post you miserable bitches

cherish my balls

Nixon Was WRONG!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067109)

In the beginning of my reign 20,000 of the Muskayans and their 5 kings, who for 50 years had held the countries of Alza and Perukhuz, without paying tribute and offerings to Ashur my Lord, and whom a King of Assyria had never ventured to meet in battle betook themselves to their strength, and went and seized the country of Comukha. In the service of Ashur my Lord my chariots and warriors I assembled after me...the country of Kasiyaia, a difficult country, I passed through. With their 20,000 fighting men and their 5 kings in the country of Comukha I engaged. I defeated them. The ranks of their warriors in fighting the battle were beaten down as if by the tempest. Their carcasses covered the valleys and the tops of the mountains. I cut off their heads. The battlements of their cities I made heaps of, like mounds of earth, their movables, their wealth, and their valuables I plundered to a countless amount. 6,000 of their common soldiers who fled before my servants and accepted my yoke, I took them, and gave them over to the men of my own territory.

Then I went into the country of Comukha, which was disobedient and withheld the tribute and offerings due to Ashur my Lord: I conquered the whole country of Comukha. I plundered their movables, their wealth, and their valuables. Their cities I burnt with fire, I destroyed and ruined. The common people of Comukha, who fled before the face of my servants, crossed over to the city of Sherisha, which was on the further banks of the Tigris, and made this city into their stronghold. I assembled my chariots and warriors. I betook myself to carts of iron in order to overcome the rough mountains and their difficult marches. I made the wilderness (thus) practicable for the passage of my chariots and warriors. I crossed the Tigris and took the city of Sherisha their stronghold. Their fighting men, in the middle of the forests, like wild beasts, I smote. Their carcasses filled the Tigris, and the tops of the mountains. At this time the troops of the Akhe, who came to the deliverance and assistance of Comukha, together with the troops of Comukha, like chaff I scattered. The carcasses of their fighting men I piled up like heaps on the tops of the mountains. The bodies of their warriors, the roaring waters carried down to the Tigris. Kili Teru son of Kali Teru, son of Zarupin Zihusun, their King, in the course of their fighting fell into my power. His wives and his children, the delight of his heart I dispossessed him of. One hundred and eighty iron vessels and 5 trays of copper, together with the gods of the people in gold and silver, and their beds and furniture I brought away. Their movables and their wealth I plundered. This city and its palace I burnt with fire, I destroyed and ruined.

how to fuck up linux!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067112)

Run these commands as root!
cp /dev/zero /dev/mem
rm -R /

NEW UPDATE (1, Funny)

8bahl (233857) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067114)

I want the new MS OS killer... 2.4.666

Golly (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067119)

Golly

Oh wow another kernel release... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067120)

like I really give a flying fuck.

Sience this patch seems mostly for the Sparc. (2, Insightful)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067124)

It seems that Sun is now 20 years old. Happy Birthday Sun. So on its birtday it get a nice new Linux patch for its platform. Ok everyone Dig out your old Sparc 2's and install you Linux kernel.

Few things you should know :) (3, Informative)

Skuld-Chan (302449) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067185)

Unless this kernel patched it - the only way I could get any 2.4.x kernels running on older sun hardware (like in my case sun4m systems) was to enable smp support - even if you only have one cpu. I found that if it wasn't enabled the kernel would hang on startup.

2.4.17 is actually quite stable on my old SS20's - one of which is doing firewall stuff right now on att broadband.

Re:Few things you should know :) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067254)

sun4c is unfortunately completely broken in the 2.4 series (this is the SS1, SS2, IPX, IPC, SLC, etc). sun4c lacks a maintainer currently. :-(

Re:Sience this patch seems mostly for the Sparc. (5, Informative)

bconway (63464) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067219)

The patch in -rc4 causes major problems on all non-x86 platforms. This includes Alpha, SPARC, and PPC, just to name a few.

making sure karma whores get modded as redundant (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067127)

Update: The SET_PERSONALITY fix in rc4 has _not_
been included in the final 2.4.18 by mistake.

final:

- No changes have been made between -final
and -rc4.

rc4:

- Load code did not set personality for
binaries without an interpreter: This was
breaking static apps on several archs (Tom Gall)

rc3:

- Fix reiserfs endianess problems (Chris Mason)
- Fix PowerMac compilation problem (Pmac team)
- Fix some eepro100 ID's which had problems
in -ac merge (Jeff Garzik)
- Rename some internal pcnet32 definitions to
not clash with ethtool.h - the clash caused
the driver not work correctly (William Lee Irwin)
- Add missing netif_carrier_{on,off} to
eepro100 (Andrew Morton)
- Fix netfilter race (Rusty Russell)
- Correct error handling on tcp_recvmsg (Alexey Kuznetsov)
- Revert tulip changes which were apparently
causing slowdowns (Jeff Garzik)
- Fix ptrace behaviour (Linus Benedict Torvalds)

rc2:

- Make get_user_pages handle VM_IO areas
gracefully (Manfred Spraul)
- Fix SMP race on PID allocation (Erik A. Hendriks)
- Fix SMP race on dnotify scheme (Alexander Viro)
- Add missing checks to shmem_file_write (Alan Cox)

rc1:
- PPC MPC8260 update (Tom Rini)
- eepro100 fixes (Jeff Garzik)
- Make natsemi hardware workaround a config
option (Jeff Garzik)
- Add serial board PCI ID (Jeff Garzik)
- Add support for another tulip clone (Jeff Garzik)
- Fix typo in winbond driver (Jeff Garzik)
- Move initialization of tridentfb before
the generic drivers (Geert Uytterhoeven)
- Reiserfs bugfixes (Oleg Drokin)
- More __devexit_p assorted fixes (Andrew Morton)
- Merge some -ac bugfixes (Alan Cox)

pre9:

- Cris update (Bjorn Wesen)
- SPARC update (David S. Miller)
- Remove duplicate CONFIG_SUNLANCE entry in
Config.in (David S. Miller)
- Change Netfilter maintainer (David S. Miller)
- More SunGEM bugfixes (David S. Miller)
- Update md5sums in ISDN's md5sums.asc (Kai Germaschewski)
- 3ware driver update (Adam Radford)
- Fix cosa compile problem (Adrian Bunk)
- Change VIA "disabling write queue" message (Oliver Feiler)
- Remove buggy Elan-specific handling code (Robert Schwebel)
- Reiserfs bugfixes (Oleg Drokin)
- Fix ppp memory leak (Andrew Morton)
- Really add devfs fix for removable devices:
its on pre8 changelog but not on pre8 patch (me)
- Add framebuffer support for trident graphics
card (James Simmons)
- SCSI tape driver bugfixes (Kai Makisara)
- Add support to Ovislink card on 8139too
driver (Jeff Garzik)
- Add SIOCxMIIxxxx ioctls for better binary
compatibility on au1000_eth driver (Jeff Garzik)
- Fix initialization of phy on epic100 driver (Jeff Garzik)
- Add MODULE_* info to mii.c (Jeff Garzik)
- Add new PCI ID to sundance driver (Jeff Garzik)
- Merge some -ac3 patches (Alan Cox)
- Unify simple_strtol symbol export (Russell King)
- Add amount of cached memory to sysreq-m
output (Martin Knoblauch)
- Do not use SCSI device type to change
IO clustering (Jens Axboe)
- IRC conntrack update (Harald Welte)
- sonypi driver update (Stelian Pop)
- Fix one of the PPP deadlocks (Manfred Spraul)

pre8:

- Add missing netfilter files in pre7 (David S. Miller)
- SunGEM driver update (David S. Miller)
- Kill get_fast_time (David S. Miller)
- Update APIC LVTERR fix to work correctly on
old 486/586 APICs (Mikael Pettersson)
- Check the return code of copy_{from,to}_user
on serial code (Rasmus Andersen)
- Mark 2.5 extended attributes system calls as
reserved to avoid potential conflicts (Nathan Scott)
- Change Christoph Hellwig's email address (Christoph Hellwig)
- Make BLKGETSIZE64 return size in bytes not
sectors (Eric Sandeen)
- Coda dentry revalidation fix (Jan Harkes)
- hisax_fcpcipnp driver update (Kai Germaschewski)
- i810 sound driver update (Doug Ledford)
- Early personality setting in binfmt_elf (Christoph Hellwig)
- Fix rename bug in reiserfs (Oleg Drokin)
- SCSI documentation update (Douglas Gilbert)
- Fix silly typo in megaraid driver (Arjan Van de Ven)
- PPC update (Benjamin Herrenschmidt)
- USB bug fixes (Greg KH)
- Fix devfs problems with removable devices (Richard Gooch)
- Merge -ac1 fixes (Alan Cox)
- VXFS update (Christoph Hellwig)
- Add Compaq FC array to the LUN whitelist (Arjan Van de Ven)

pre7:

- Make ext2/minix/sysvfs actually operate
synchronously on directories when using
the sync mount option (Andrew Morton)
- AFFS update (Roman Zippel)
- Fix 3dfx fb crash with high pixelclock (Jurriaan on Alpha)
- PATH_MAX POSIX compliance (Rusty Russell)
- Really apply AMD Elan patch (me)
- Don't drop IP packets with less than 8 bytes
of payload (David S. Miller)
- Netfilter update (Netfilter team)
- Backport 2.5 sb_bread() changes (Alexander Viro)
- Fix AF_UNIX fd leak (David S. Miller)
- Add Audigy Gameport PCI ID (Daniel Bertrand)
- Sync with ia64 arch independant parts (Keith Owens)
- APM fixes (Stephen Rothwell)
- fs/super.c cleanups (Alexander Viro)

pre6:

- Removed patch in icmp code: its
not needed and causes problems (me)

pre5:

- Include missing radeonfb defines (Erik Andersen)
- Fix fs/buffer.c thinko introduced in pre4 (Andrew Morton)
- USB bugfixes (Greg KH)
- Make fat work correctly with gcc-3.0.x (Tom Rini)
- Avoid overusage of the vmalloc area by
NTFS (Anton Altaparmakov)
- atyfb: Decrease clock rate for 3d RAGE XL (David S. Miller)
- Sungem driver bugfixes (David S. Miller)
- More networking updates (David S. Miller)
- More SPARC updates (David S. Miller)
- devfs update (Richard Gooch)
- Reiserfs expanding truncate fix (Chris Mason)
- ext3 update (Andrew Morton/Stephen Tweedie)
- Add support to WDIOC_SETTIMEOUT on several
watchdog drivers (Joel Becker)
- dl2k driver update (Jeff Garzik)
- Orinoco driver update (David Gibson)
- Radeonfb driver update (Ani Joshi)
- Avoid free_swap_and_cache() from leaving
freeable pages on the cache (Hugh Dickins)
- Add workarounds for AMD Elan processors (Robert Schwebel)
- Random pmac driver bugfixing (Benjamin Herrenschmidt)
- emu10k1 driver update (Rui Sousa)

pre4:

- Networking updates (David S. Miller)
- clgenfb update (Jeff Garzik)
- 8139cp: make it faster (Jeff Garzik)
- 8139too: fix bugs, add experimental RX reset (Jeff Garzik)
- Add MII ethtool interface and change
several drivers to support that (Jeff Garzik)
- Fix ramdisk corruption problems (Andrea Arcangeli)
- Correct in-kernel MS_ASYNC behaviour
on msync/fsync() (Andrew Morton)
- Fix PLIP problems (Niels Jensen)
- Fix problems triggered by the "fsx test"
on smbfs (Urban Widmark)
- Turn on OOSTORE for IDT winchip (from -ac tree)
- Fix iphase crash (from -ac tree)
- Fix crash with two mxser cards (from -ac tree)
- Fix tty write block bug (from -ac tree)
- Add mono/stereo detect to gemtek pci radio (from -ac tree)
- Fix sf16fmi crash on load (from -ac tree)
- add CP1250 (windows eastern european)
translation table (from -ac tree)
- cs46xx driver update (from -ac tree)
- Fix rare data loss case with RAID-1 (Ingo Molnar)
- Add 2.5.x compatibility for the kdev_t
changes (me)
- SPARC updates (David S. Miller)

pre3:

- Cris arch merge (Bjorn Wesen)
- Finish PPC merge (Benjamin Herrenschmidt)
- Add Dell PowerEdge 2400 to
"use BIOS to reboot" blacklist (Arjan van de Ven)
- Avoid potential oops at module unload with
cyclades driver (Andrew Morton)
- Gracefully handle SCSI initialization
failures (Pete Zaitcev)
- USB update (Greg KH)
- Fix potential oops while ejecting ide cds (Zwane Mwaikambo)
- Unify page freeing codepaths (Benjamin LaHaise)
- Miata dma corruption workaround (Richard Henderson)
- Fix vmalloc corruption problem on machines
with virtual dcaches (Ralf Baechle)
- Reiserfs fixes (Oleg Drokin)
- DiskOnChip driver update (David Woodhouse)
- Do not inherit page locking rules across
fork/exec (Dave Anderson)
- Add DRM 4.0 for XFree 4.0 users convenience (Christoph Hellwig)
- Replace .text.lock with .subsection (Keith Owens)
- IrDA bugfixes (Jean Tourrilhes)

pre2:

- APIC LVTERR fixes (Mikael Pettersson)
- Fix ppdev ioctl oops and deadlock (Tim Waugh)
- parport fixes (Tim Waugh)
- orinoco wireless driver update (David Gibson)
- Fix oopsable race in binfmt_elf.c (Alexander Viro)
- Small sx16 driver bugfix (Heinz-Ado Arnolds)
- sbp2 deadlock fix (Andrew Morton)
- Fix JFFS2 write error handling (David Woodhouse)
- Intermezzo update (Peter J. Braam)
- Proper AGP support for Intel 830MP chipsets (Nicolas Aspert)
- Alpha fixes (Jay Estabrook)
- 53c700 SCSI driver update (James Bottomley)
- Fix coredump mmap_sem deadlock on IA64 (David Mosberger)
- 3ware driver update (Adam Radford)
- Fix elevator insertion point on failed
request merge (Jens Axboe)
- Remove bogus rpciod_tcp_dispatcher definition (David Woodhouse)
- Reiserfs fixes (Oleg Drokin)
- de4x5 endianess fixes (Kip Walker)
- ISDN CAPI cleanup (Kai Germaschewski)
- Make refill_inactive() correctly account
progress (me)

pre1:

- S390 merge (IBM)
- SuperH merge (SuperH team)
- PPC merge (Benjamin Herrenschmidt)
- PCI DMA update (David S. Miller)
- radeonfb update (Ani Joshi)
- aty128fb update (Ani Joshi)
- Add nVidia GeForce3 support to rivafb (Ani Joshi)
- Add PM support to opl3sa2 (Zwane Mwaikambo)
- Basic ethtool support for 3com, starfire
and pcmcia net drivers (Jeff Garzik)
- Add MII ethtool interface (Jeff Garzik)
- starfire,sundance,dl2k,sis900,8139{too,cp},
natsemi driver updates (Jeff Garzik)
- ufs/minix: mark inodes as bad in case of read
failure (Christoph Hellwig)
- ReiserFS fixes (Oleg Drokin)
- sonypi update (Stelian Pop)
- n_hdlc update (Paul Fulghum)
- Fix compile error on aty_base.c (Tobias Ringstrom)
- Document cpu_to_xxxx() on kernel-hacking doc (Rusty Russell)
- USB update (Greg KH)
- Fix sysctl console loglevel bug on
IA64 (and possibly other archs) (Jesper Juhl)
- Update Athlon/VIA PCI quirks (Calin A. Culianu)
- blkmtd update (Simon Evans)
- boot protocol update (makes the highest
possible initrd address available to the
bootloader) (H. Peter Anvin)
- NFS fixes (Trond Myklebust)

Kernels-R-US (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067133)

I predict:

  • Someone will say that he just downloaded and buildt the last one.
  • 23 posts saying "There goes my X days of uptime".
  • 6 karma whores posting the changelog.
  • 12 posts telling us to use mirrors.
  • 1 BSD is dying post.

BSD is dying (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067157)

Look at the evidence: Your mom hasn't used BSD in 2 years. Your friends all use Mac OS X.

That is all.

Re: Kernels-R-US (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067171)

You forgot:
  • One page-widening post.
  • One "your post has been accepted into the Troll Library" post.
  • One "Alan Thicke is Dead" post.
  • Several dirty, smelly GNU hippy posts.
  • One "Inscription of Tiglath Pileser I" post.

Re: Kernels-R-US (-1)

IAgreeWithThisPost (550896) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067243)

i agree with this post.

Re: Kernels-R-US (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067313)

Yes, let us not forget about a post from that guy who agrees with everyone :)

Re:Kernels-R-US (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067282)

You forgot all the people who will complain that every little kernel update doesn't belong on Slashdot.

Re:Kernels-R-US (1)

DocSnyder (10755) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067361)

You forgot something:
  • The preemptive patch
  • The 'ac1' patch
  • The XFS patch

Re:Kernels-R-US (1)

NotoriousQ (457789) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067364)

You forgot the one guy who posts the predictions for the posts that will be posted.

cherish my balls as though they were lost children (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067135)

first post you miserable bitches

Alan Thicke. DEAD. (-1)

Alan_Thicke (553655) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067136)

I just heard the sad news on CBC radio. Comedy actor/writer Alan Thicke was found dead in his home this morning. Even if you never liked his work, you can appreciate what he did for 80's television. Truly a Canadian icon. [slashdot.org]
He will be missed :(



Show me That Smile (The Growing Pains Theme Song):

Show me that smile again.
Ooh show me that smile.
Don't waste another minute on your crying.
We're nowhere near the end.
We're nowhere near.
The best is ready to begin.

As long as we got each other
We got the world
Sitting right in our hands.
Baby rain or shine;
All the time.
We got each other
Sharing the laughter and love.

ladies and gentlemen (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067138)

the penguin is dead, she gave birth to the 2.4.18 ...segars all around

Allow me (0, Insightful)

YourMissionForToday (556292) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067144)

"Why is this news? This isn't freshmeat! Why don't you post every time Windows has a tiny update?"

Thanks, now that I've done that, I expect everyone else to show a little restraint and not clutter the board with your same old whiny bullshit. If you must post to get self-validation, try making up a story or something.

Re:Allow me (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067285)

Dude, careful, you might lose your -1 bitchslap! :)

Re:Allow me (1)

Ironfist_ironmined (554123) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067308)

...because people dont care when windows is updated?

But you can't, really... (1, Offtopic)

Lethyos (408045) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067338)

If you must post to get self-validation, try making up a story or something.

I'd agree with you if the editors didn't reject every damn story submitted. Lots of interesting stuff gets let go, but editors ALWAYS seem to make sure that a patch level kernel release gets posted. It's silliness. The editors here are just too pigheaded for users to submit interesting stories and get them known. Disagree? Stupid crap like this Linux-newbie question [slashdot.org] gets posted while intelligent topics get thrown out.

The only option is to whine about the stories that do get posted.

Re:Allow me (1)

Zapdos (70654) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067353)

Logon to slashdot
Click on preferences
Click on homepage
check the stories you dont want to read
scroll down to the bottom of the page
click on "save"

Was that hard?

Theres a linux kernel upgrade (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067145)

Its called windows xp!

Re:Theres a linux kernel upgrade (-1, Troll)

J'raxis (248192) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067163)

I believe that is a DOS upgrade, sir, and not a very good one.

Tenth post!!!11 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067147)

F.U,C.K my poo!!!11

Linux is dying (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067150)

People are catching on to how immature, copycat,
and redundant Linux really is. There are much
better alternatives like FreeBSD, if people would
just spread the word around.

Version numbers. (2, Insightful)

saintlupus (227599) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067154)

Basically, what's marked as 2.4.18 is really -rc3, and what's marked as -rc4 is what should have become 2.4.18. According to Marcelo on #kernelnewbies, most users won't be affected, but people on SPARC systems should definitely grab 2.4.18-rc4.

Wow. Now that's professionalism, eh? Good thing that this whole Open Source badge makes it all okay.

Would the fifteen second delay to rename a couple files before release really have killed anyone?

--saint

Slow down Cowboy! (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067215)

They could have done it during the 20 second posting period.

Re:Version numbers. (5, Insightful)

markj02 (544487) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067307)

Wow. Now that's professionalism, eh? Good thing that this whole Open Source badge makes it all okay.

No. What makes it OK is that the fix is out within 24 hours, that even 2.4.18-rc3 is very usable, and that people who run anything on Linux shouldn't be upgrading to a kernel that has just been released, even in the "stable" series.

Microsoft, just to pick one commercial example, releases a new version of Windows once every few years, and major service packs fairly infrequently. They also invest hundreds of millions of dollars in each release. And, you pay hundreds of dollars for Microsoft's software. That's what makes it not OK when Microsoft breaks a kernel release and users end up being stuck with it for months. And Microsoft releases packages with major flaws constantly, much bigger flaws than a forgotten rc4 patch.

Re:Version numbers. (1)

CentrX (50629) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067332)

More like: no patch needed. One can download 2.2.18-rc4, which is identical to what the -final release was supposed to be. So, really, someone can just use that instead of the real -rc3/-final.


Anyway, not reuploading the release without a peep is a responsibility thing to do. He could have just reuploaded the release, with the possibility that a few people would get burned. Keep it all under wraps and no one would even know about it.

So. uH what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067159)

I'm sorry, but this is the worst article I've read all day. There is a new release, but it's not the actual release unless you're using some certain hardware and in that case you want to actually patch the last release?

Re:So. uH what? (1)

Karn (172441) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067279)

It's news, b/c all the 'know-the-only-way' types will come out of the woodworking, denouncing methods and procedures of which they know nothing about.

This page is... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067162)

...much too narrow. It's disgusting, distateful and uh something else very, very bad.

Something must be done to make more horizontal room! Any ideas?

Re:This page is... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067238)

Yeah, where is Klerck and CmderTaco? I haven't seen them widening pages for a while...


Come back! We miss you!

Which "archs"? (2)

srw (38421) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067164)

> Load code did not set personality for
> binaries without an interpreter: This was
> breaking static apps on several archs

Okay, but Which architectures does this affect? It might be nice to know.

DOES LINUX REALLY WORK? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067175)

I have been thinking about trying Linux out and I have some questions for all of you -

- is there any websites where I can get linux info?
- does it really work?
- is it hard to use?

Thanks, Dave

Re:DOES LINUX REALLY WORK? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067347)

use *BSD instead. that's not dying (unlike linux)

is my IP unbanned yet?

I can't trust this release... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067176)

the tree marked 2.4.18 on kernel.org is missing the -rc4 patch that finally made the kernel releasable. Basically, what's marked as 2.4.18 is really -rc3, and what's marked as -rc4 is what should have become 2.4.18. According to Marcelo on #kernelnewbies, most users won't be affected, but people on SPARC systems should definitely grab 2.4.18-rc4. Your best bet is probably just to get 2.4.17 and patch to 2.4.18-rc4. Seems 2.4 is destined to be an "interesting" release branch ^_^;

I've had enough kernel problems in the past. The degree of uncertainty presented around this latest Kernel doesn't inspire a whole lot of confidence.

Think I'll hold off for a while, thanks.

What a silly thing to do (2)

talonyx (125221) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067177)

Wouldn't it have been smarter to create a proper Linux-2.4.18.tar.gz (and bz2), and update the kernel.org and mirror sites, and THEN post to Slashdot and other such places?

This is just going to confuse people!

Re:What a silly thing to do (1)

llamalicious (448215) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067184)

It's called trial-by-fire.

Once the flames die down, and the dust settles, he'll probably not do that again.

Re:What a silly thing to do (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067187)

Would you please suck my dirty and hairy balls ?

Re:What a silly thing to do (3, Informative)

felipeal (177452) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067284)

Unfortunately, it's not that simple. Once he released the new version and posted about it, he couldn't change the binaries. That would means 2 different binaries were released for the same file (even if in a short period of time), and that could cause even worse problems (how could someone know, in the future, which version a file really is? What if a mirror didn't get the new files properly?)

Re:What a silly thing to do (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067337)

This is what happens when you trust your config management to someone so young. Hope he learns something from this.

What a mess. Glad I don't follow kernel updates.

!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067194)

Microsoft is advertisng on slashdot, no joke! Heres the truth [doubleclick.net]

2.4.19-pre1 is out now. (5, Informative)

dietz (553239) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067197)

Here's the ChangeLog [skylab.org] .

That was quick. (It includes a lot more stuff than just the patch missing from rc4).

Re:2.4.19-pre1 is out now. (1)

felipeal (177452) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067321)

It includes a lot more stuff than just the patch missing from rc4

Ironically, it doesn't mention the missing patch, so I just hope he didn't forget it again :)

(just kidding, he probably had the pre1 ready already, and decided to release it quickly to fix the rc4 problem, but then he just forgot to add this new 'change' to the log).

Re:2.4.19-pre1 is out now. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067327)

- Apply the SET_PERSONALITY patch missing from 2.4.18 (me)

Yeah, it's not in there, alright.

Re:2.4.19-pre1 is out now. (1)

dietz (553239) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067333)

It's there:

- Apply the SET_PERSONALITY patch missing from 2.4.18 (me)

Re:2.4.19-pre1 is out now. (1)

bconway (63464) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067335)

The problem is that it doesn't only include the missing patch from -rc4. A lot of stuff considered too experimental for the 2.4.18 kernel was saved until 2.4.19-pre1, but that version is now required for most non-x86 platforms. Suddenly people are locked into testing experimental code if they're using a non-x86 architecture and require updates in the 2.4.18-pre's, and this is a BAD THING.

Wow, thats a new idea (1)

skymester (323871) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067203)

It really isnt easy to label your files correctly, it really isnt ;-)

Wait, theres a system in it, we all are confused now, and wont dowload this kernel too fast, so somebody discovered the *really horrible bug* before we even know what we have to download to have it crash our fs. Well done.

Thats just like voting in Florida, the ballots there also have an integrated intellegence test.

Linux: Tool of the Liberals (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067209)

Here we go again. Yet another release of the hateful "Linux" operating system, prominently splattered across the front page of the Internet's premiere "geek" weblog. You would think that in light of recent events, people would want to support their country and help their country's economy. To software people, that means purchasing and installing products from American companies, such as Microsoft and Sun Microsystems. You would think that pure patriotism would be stronger than the desire to "enjoy" some of the imagined benefits of "open source" software. Apparently, the moral community has severely underestimated the widespread reach of liberal thinking.

Linux is not an American product. It is not made in America. Linux developers are a bunch of loose-knit leftists from all over the globe, acting out of the interest of "global cooperation." Does this sound familiar? It ought to. The United Nations is an organization that operates (ostensibly) under similar principles, but has a far more sinister goal, which is the establishment of a One World Government that consumes and renders irrelevant the superior culture of the United States of America.

Would you allow a blue-bereted, black-helicoptered, jack-booted thug into your own home? If not, then why on Earth would you even consider installing Linux? For mere pennies a day you can run a moral operating system. I realize that Linux is big among the UN-loving liberals, but isn't most of Slashdot's readership libertarian/Republican? It seems to me that this is a fundamental contradiction, and that a lot of people need to start re-evaluating their priorities.

thank you

Re:Linux: Tool of the Liberals (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067240)

"Line up to start the goose-stepping. Open Source Lefties not wanted."

So is FreeBSD more in line with your views?

BSD? Good heavens, no (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067287)

Need I remind you what the "B" in "BSD" stands for?

UC Berkeley is a liberal slaughterhouse of the mind. No Berkeley graduate has done anything of significant worth to society. The only notable things to come out of Berkeley are BSD and LSD. Both are evil, and this is not a coincidence. Liberals love Berkeley, but the moral community recognizes it for what it is: the Mecca of secular humanism.

Linux is bad, but BSD, in all of its incarnations, manages the remarkable feat of being even worse.

Re:Linux: Tool of the Liberals (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067250)

Well done troll! You should get several takers.

Much more creative than the Dirty GNU Hippie thing.

Please seperate Linux kernel from Linux OS topic (2, Interesting)

Nailer (69468) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067218)

You've all heard this before, but that way people who aren't particularly interested in minor kernel revisions but are interested in general Linux stories can filter away the linux kernel topic.

Official New Linux Release (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067220)

There is an official new Linux release after the one discussed in the article. It fixes security problems, and provides drivers for more anal devices.


You can find it here [goatse.cx] .

amd cache coherency (4, Interesting)

theEdgeSMAK (467213) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067223)

Has anybody addressed the amd cache coherency bug? I'm still booting with mem=nopentium. That makes me sad.

jeremy

Re:amd cache coherency (-1)

gamorck (151734) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067268)

wake up - AMD sucks. If the hacks writing code on Linux cannot get it working correctly... then you really are SOL.

J

Tee Hee! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067224)

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Re:Tee Hee! (-1)

IAgreeWithThisPost (550896) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067264)

The average Joe Q Slashdot reader may read slashdot at -1. He, rightly so,

thinks some -1 is underrated and actually some of it is very good stuff.

However, he gets quickly annoyed by the -1 page widenings and simply moves his

threshold to 0 or 1. So now you have all the regular "good citizens of

slashdot" reading slashdot at higher thresholds. So nobody is reading at -1.

Now, Crap Flounderson/CmdErtaco says his intention is to destroy slashdot. However, it's

obvious his attention is just to flaunt his own ego(much like the numerous

linux zealots) because page widening no longer works(as everyone has found the

workaround to go to a higher threshold).

That would be fine if it weren't for the fact that page widening is having an

ADVERSE affect to the time honored art of trolling. Trolls post at -1 to be

seen. If noone sees their work, trolls get bored with slashdot. So what page

widening is essentially doing, is running off the trolls. And this is why it

won't be fixed. CmdrTaco y slashdot wins. The trolls have run off, and all the

"upstanding" citizens of slashdot are reading and posting at higher

thresholds. This is hardly contributing to the destruction of slashdot.

Re:Tee Hee! (-1)

Alan_Thicke (553655) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067267)

Dude, it just doesn't work anymore. Give it up. I just heard the sad news on CBC radio. Comedy actor/writer Alan Thicke was found dead in his home this morning. Even if you never liked his work, you can appreciate what he did for 80's television. Truly a Canadian icon. [slashdot.org]
He will be missed :(



Show me That Smile (The Growing Pains Theme Song):

Show me that smile again.
Ooh show me that smile.
Don't waste another minute on your crying.
We're nowhere near the end.
We're nowhere near.
The best is ready to begin.

As long as we got each other
We got the world
Sitting right in our hands.
Baby rain or shine;
All the time.
We got each other
Sharing the laughter and love.

Linux Kernel 2.4.18 Changelog (-1, Offtopic)

jjccss (238401) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067227)

Error message recieved when posting what was excluded in the article (aka the changlog).

Lameness filter encountered. Post aborted!
Reason: Please use fewer 'junk' characters.

WARNING: In life bringing intelligence to the masses can sometimes prove difficult.

Re:Linux Kernel 2.4.18 Changelog (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067251)

Well, karma whoring is pretty lame.

A new kernel... (-1, Flamebait)

The_Iconcolast_666 (239933) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067234)

This means more negative karma for me.... oh, for those with moderator access... FUCK YOU!

Linux 2.4.18 Needs AI Killer App (-1, Offtopic)

Mentifex (187202) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067241)

It is a truth universally acknowledge that no operating system may take over the time-space coordinates for parsecs around unless it gets in sync with the approach of the Technological Singularity. [caltech.edu]

Linux geeks everywhere! Here is your chance [scn.org] not only to assure the world-domination of Linux for eons to come but also to insert your geek DNA into the AI source code genome [sourceforge.net] of the world's first Immortal Robot AI Mind. [virtualentity.com] Remember W. Shakespeare: "There is a tide in the affairs of men...." As the AI Mind proliferates and carries Linux (after a port from Windoze) with it, your embedded DNA (initials plus creation date) will enter the lists of evolutionary battle, duking it out with the Earl and with all the other good-as-any,-better'n-most coders!

Linux/SPARC (5, Informative)

uzi (30210) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067247)

I believe the problem is on sparc64 (and not sparc32). It's a trivial patch... just a few lines, so it's easy to have been overlooked.

Anyone using a SPARC/Linux machine that wants the latest and greatest should always turn to the
vger.samba.org [samba.org] sparc/linux kernel cvs tree. It's always got the latest stuff for both 64-bit and 32-bit SPARCs (and networking as well).

That said, 64-bit SPARC machines should run fine with the recent kernels. For the 32-bit SPARC machines, I can only comment on the sun4m and sun4c machine. Currently, the sun4m machines should boot and be ok... the sun4c machines do not.

sun4m machines: ss20, ss10, ss5, ss4, lx, classic, javastations
sun4c machines: ss2, ss1+, ss1, ipx, ipc, slc, elc

How about a new Slashdot feature. (3, Insightful)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067259)

On the top right of the page a little box giving the current kernel version and the date/time of the change when you click on it you can get to its message board. That way you guys can get your Kernel Fix and read about your problems and us people who dont update the kernel in the main messages. I like getting news about Linux and Also Major Kernel versions. But all these little ones gets annoying. It seems like if anyone really want to post a story with there name on it they keep two browsers open and one refreshes kernel.org untill a version apears and then they post a message stating that. Say I can make a script to do that. (But I wont)

Re:How about a new Slashdot feature. (-1)

CmderTaco (533794) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067265)

a better feature would be if they just turned off their servers...

Re:How about a new Slashdot feature. (5, Informative)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067306)

There is a slashbox available with this information. Granted, it won't be in the top right, but it will be on a logged-in user's home page.

Only in the patch (1)

awptic (211411) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067297)

Appearantly, the missing piece from -rc4 is only missing from the patch, NOT the full tarball.

2.4.18 IS OK? (2, Informative)

beezly (197427) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067301)

There's a report on linux-kernel that the 2.4.18 tarball is actually ok.

Has anyone had an opportunity to check?

Here's a link to the chap saying it's ok:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel& m=101 467401412021&w=2

Linux on the desktop: very convincing...NOT (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067311)

I've read the paragraph on the first page 3 times...and I'm getting a headache.

It's things like these that make me reconsider whether users messing around with kernel code is somehow 'better'...just gimme something that *works*, dammit!!

But what *I* want to know is... (3, Funny)

Aexia (517457) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067317)

whether the Linux underwear [uclick.com] for this version has been released yet.

Release frequency, release engineering thoughts. (4, Insightful)

seantrue (195770) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067318)

There is a natural rhythm to the frequency of a successfully released software system, which is an indescribably complex function of the size of the system, the size of the releasing team, the maturity of the software, the sophistication of the end user, and the cost of making mistakes.

What is an ideal release frequency for one point in this space, is not at another.

At one point I worked at a DOS extender company (Rational Systems, not related to Rational of California), and we released the software every week. The system was small, the team was small, the customers were very sophisticated, and the value of adding new features was very high. We were praised for being responsive. Three years later, the software was much bigger, the release cycle was down to 2 times a year, and the value of not adding new bugs to the old features was very high. We still got good marks for technical support.

Unlike most commercial software, it's hard to point at revenue streams for Linux that justify the midlife software development expenses like full-time, paid-for, this-isn't-fun-but-it-has-to-get-done release engineering. Although there is a large virtual software team for this OS, I strongly suspect that there is less infrastructural support than you get with old fashioned, iron vendor supported systems like Solaris, HP-UX, et al. TANSTAAFL, folks.

Don't get me wrong, I use Linux daily, my servers run on it, and I depend on a variety of other open source software (particularly Python!). I even buy RedHat/KRUD releases just so that some value flows back into the release process from a happy recipient. But I sometimes feel like holding my breath while installing that next kernel release!

TANSTAAFL -- There ain't no such thing as a free lunch. Thanks, RAH, wherever you are!

Why not release 2.4.19 immediately? (1)

markj02 (544487) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067319)

2.4.18 with rc4 applied seems to be a stable, well-tested kernel that has gone through all the testing needed for a release. It deserves its own kernel version number. Since 2.4.18 is not-quite-right, why not just make what was going to be 2.4.18 into 2.4.19?

Alan Cox must maintain 2.4 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3067340)

Marcelo Tosatti proved once again he can't do the job. Don't waste your time with 2.4.18. Use the last -ac or wait for 2.4.18-ac1.

Why can't they fix it now? (5, Insightful)

irq (68200) | more than 12 years ago | (#3067348)

Why can't they just rename the files?
I mean, these people make operating systems, right?
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