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Newest Mandrake Linux Delayed

timothy posted more than 13 years ago | from the damnable-import-duties dept.

Mandriva 179

Jens Lönn writes: "Linux seller MandrakeSoft has had to delay shipment of its newest version of Linux because of problems in moving manufacturing to the United States. Mandrake Linux 8.1 is available as a download, but the first CDs of the product were supposed to ship by the end of September. "Getting 8.1 production up and running in North America has been a slow and expensive process," the company said in a e-mail message to those who have ordered the CD." Since Mandrake makes certains things so easy (smooth installation), I hope they soon get their newest release again on Walmart shelves across the U.S.

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It's me again! (-1)

cyborg_monkey (150790) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419142)

Love my groin.

\/\/()()T!

Re:It's me again! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2419144)

Wait for the signal! All prisoners will be released!

G0at [geekizoid.com]

Zool (-1, Offtopic)

byoon (121785) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419153)

Many shubs and zools knew what it was to roast in the depths of the Sloar on that day I can tell you!

Re:Zool (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2419197)

Would you like some coffee Vince?

Yes, have some.

Yes, have some.

Re:Zool (-1)

cyborg_monkey (150790) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419255)

what? is that you?

Re:Zool (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2419276)

Don't look back, don't give up. Pour yourself another cup.

Re:It's me again! (-1)

cyborg_monkey (150790) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419157)

Aye matey. Tis a good day when the monkeys are released from their cages.

Arrr.

Re:It's me again! (-1)

mackga (990) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419204)

d00D! love this [hotindianteens.com] groin!

Re:It's me again! (-1)

cyborg_monkey (150790) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419207)

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /2mmys/10102001/04.jpg
on this server.

So you are into indians, huh?

Re:It's me again! (-1)

j0nkatz (315168) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419258)

I sir salute your first postiness!

Re:It's me again! (-1)

cyborg_monkey (150790) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419268)

Waazzzzup?

Now get back to work.

It royally (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2419150)

made me go back to Mdk80....

Not because it is bad, but because the Network-FTP ruined my original Mdk80. It must be some sort of feature I am not used to.

Boycott the USA (-1, Offtopic)

imipak (254310) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419155)

RThe way things are going, I'm surprised anyone is looking at moving tech activity INTO the USA. It has to be one of the most hostile legal environments in the world in which to engage in such activities, apart North Korea or China perhaps. Actually, China doesn't have a law stating that all network operators have to store all "routing and addressing information" (RIP and BGP updates, HTTP URL requests, SMTP headers... everything), in perpetuity, in case law enforcement needs it "one day". Personally I'd already decided against visiting a friend in Hawaii: after Sklyarov, it's just too dangerous. Is anyone organising an official boycott?

Re:Boycott the USA (-1)

cyborg_monkey (150790) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419170)

Jesus fucking hard wood floors, talk some sense you jackass.

Are you on the floor in a fetal position too, you little pussy?

Mommy still dress you?

Grow a sack, you little nipple.

Yes things are f**ked here, but vs. Europe.... (2)

JohnTheFisherman (225485) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419411)

European government has a very hostile attitude towards smaller businesses. CE Mark, tax policies, yadda yadda yadda, it all adds up to making it very difficult to start or maintain a small business.

They must be freaking morons at MandrakeSoft. Hey, I use Mandrake, but it's cheap and easy to get a run of CDs with whiz bang labelling, inserts, cases, shipping even large quantities is a breeze, and cheap to boot....

They probably just didn't plan well, or just moved here without any idea how those things run here.

And if you're worried about big brotherish laws in the US, and you're in the UK apparently - well, that makes a lot of sense.

Development will eventually drift into Europe (2, Insightful)

SgtChaireBourne (457691) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419584)

The U.S. has been and is a great place. However, the crazy legal environment and corporate republic mentality will gradually cause a migration to Europe anyway for pragmatic reasons.

In the EU there is no DMCA, no weird cryptography rules. The EU Commission, as bad as it is, even seems to be handling the Microsoft issues better.

Recruitment will happen. The benefits are much better: lower crime, health care, 5 weeks holiday, free university, pension, and in some countries, clean rivers and lakes.

Also, most European governments (at least the Northern European ones) make it really easy to start small businesses and provide tax major breaks and grants. The larger countries also get pretty good deals. However, the competition between companies in the same branch is often really cuttroat and dictated by who is childhood friends with whom.

For example, regarding privacy, I automaticaly get a written statement of who has requested my credit rating and why.

The other option is to phase in the European standard of living in the U.S. For ex, doesn't California provide free or inexpensive university to its residents?

This is probably a scam (-1)

trollapprentice (183409) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419161)

Yes, it must be.

PLEASE READ - NO TIME TO REGISTER AN ACCOUNT (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2419164)

I think I am going to run around the office with my pants off today. Usually I do wear pants whilst running around the office. Here are some other funny things that I do in the office (I know that this is old and that I have posted it before):

10. Keep telling the same person that they have bad breath even if they don't, and then punch them in the face.

9. Announce in a meeting that you have AIDS. After everyone gives you the sympathy remarks, tell everyone how you were just kidding and tell them that they are all a bunch of fucking queers.

8. Before a meeting, fill your mouth with custard. Then during a meeting, put one finger in the air and make like you are hocking up a big loogie. Then spit the custard into a clear glass and hand it to the person next to you and say, "Beat That"

7. Inform a male-coworker that he "wouldn't make a good hooker." Then piss in his coffee and tell him that he needs a good ass fucking.

6. Always walk around with a big smile on your face and keep one hand down your pants.

5. Answer every question asked to you with "Fuck if I know" then call the person a racial slur that doesn't even match their race.

4. Brag about the fact that you own a gun, and keep playing with your balls. Get them really sweaty, and then walk around shaking everyone's hand.

3. Shit on the floor in your office and when someone comes in and sees it, tell them its the fake plastic kind. When they try to pick it up, and realize that their hand is full of shit, laugh at that point.

2. Run down the hall with your dick out while pissing all over and yell, "it won't stop! God help me! It won't stop!" Then when it stops, look down and say "Oh."

1. Ask to borrow someone's pen. Bring it to the bathroom and stick it up your ass. Return it and tell the person to smell it. When they tell you that it smells bad, be like "It should! I had it in my ass!"

Re:PLEASE READ - NO TIME TO REGISTER AN ACCOUNT (-1)

cyborg_monkey (150790) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419180)

If I ever meet you, I WILL KICK YOUR ASS!

Re:PLEASE READ - NO TIME TO REGISTER AN ACCOUNT (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2419192)

I have started a quest to become an alcoholic. I have a little velvet bag of Crown Royal in my desk that I am sneaking shots from.

Soon, I am hoping to carry this little bag with me all the time.

Wish me luck!

Re:PLEASE READ - NO TIME TO REGISTER AN ACCOUNT (-1)

cyborg_monkey (150790) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419215)

That's it. I have emailed Taco requesting your IP address so that I can track you down like a dog.

No one uses cut-and-paste tactics with me, little girl.

Re:PLEASE READ - NO TIME TO REGISTER AN ACCOUNT (-1)

davidmb (213267) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419234)

Yesterday I opened a bottle of Wild Turkey that has been laying around the house and got shit faced! I am so hung over today that there is a distinct possibility that I will die.

Anywho, after getting lit (my wife had already left for work at this point), I remembered that the kids had to attend a birthday party for one of my girlfriend's kids. Since it was at Chuck E. Cheese, I was not obligated to hang around and that gave me a little more time with the bottle.

Considering the circumstances, I drove remarkable well. At least I seemed like I did. The kids all seemed to enjoy the ride to... which is unusual, because anytime we get into our conversion van, the five of them immediately start whacking each other. They were all crammed into the large bench seat in the back giggling.

The only problem with the evening was that I have no idea how the kids got home. But they did, all four of them safe and sound. And the wifey was no wiser!

Now it is time to down some pain killers and enjoy another headache inducing day on Slashdot.

w00t!

Re:PLEASE READ - NO TIME TO REGISTER AN ACCOUNT (-1)

Genghis Troll (158585) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419182)

MOD PARENT UP

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Use a clear subject that describes what your message is about.
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Slow and expensive? (1)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419171)

I wouldn't think that setting up a CD production line would be that slow or expensive.

Obviously I don't understand the problem. :^) Hopefully they'll get it all sorted out soon.

Re:Slow and expensive? (1)

Kruemelmo (21012) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419199)

I'd assume "slow and expensive" refers to contract / business / condition rather than technical problems. After all, the iso images and all should be the same for France or the US...

Re:Slow and expensive? (1)

humps (245087) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419229)

"contract / business / condition rather than technical problems"
that seems logical, may be mandrake should turn to those in the far east for (i)legal CD production(duplication), I know they're pretty fast :)

humps

Re:Slow and expensive? (4, Insightful)

JM (18663) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419708)

It *is* slow, believe me


1) Get quotes and find the right supplier

2) Fill in the credit application form

3) Hit voicemail

4) Get the iso images burned on a CD-R and tested on a few machines to make sure the media is OK

5) Get the artwork in a format that's readable by the film-maker (sorry, gotta use QuarkXpress)

6) Get the artwork to a print bureau and check the output for any errors

7) Get the address where to send all the materials

8) Send them

9) Make sure all they received is okay

10) Hit the voice mail

11) It's weekend, so it will have to wait until monday

12) The CD plant received all the documents

13) They make the film for printing

14) They fax you a copy

15) You approve the copy and send it back

16) They call to ask it you want a white background or leave it silvery. They hit your voicemail

17) You call them back and tell them to leave it silvery

18) They start manufacturing

19) A couple of days later, your CDs are ready, they ship it to you via UPS/Fedex/Whatever

20) You receive them in your warehouse and have to ship thousands of CDs one-by-one

Is this related to the poor reviews (2, Funny)

typical geek (261980) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419174)

at Adequacy [adequacy.org] and other outlets? Really, Mandrake can't let their critics get to them.

Re:Is this related to the poor reviews (1)

Bottlemaster (449635) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419191)

I doubt anyone would let that "review" get to them...

Adequacy reviews "Wet Paper Bag" v1.0 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2419239)

Gets a low score, because they couldn't punch their way out of it.

Re:Is this related to the poor reviews (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2419303)

What the fuck is with you idiots and adequacy.org. What is the point of trolling on a site full of trolls?

Re:Is this related to the poor reviews (1)

choose-two (516478) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419363)

What 'other sites' reviewed Linux Mandrake 8.1 badly? I've just installed it - my first experience with a non-M$ OS since CP/M - and it's great!

Re:Is this related to the poor reviews (5, Funny)

Unknown Bovine Group (462144) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419583)

For those who don't know adequacy is a humorous, sarcastic site and the Mandrake "review" seems to be an in-depth attempt at satire. However from the discussion underneath I think many people missed that. Some of the better part of the review:

the release of Linux Mandrake 8.1, aggressively timed to coincide with that of Microsoft's much vaunted Windows XP, marks the start of the final battle for domination of the computer industry.

The Linux operating system was born in 1991 and was created by one man, a Finnish student coincidentally named Linux Torvalds.

Previous versions of Linux have been named Red Hat, Slack Ware, Storm and Coral. In stark contrast to the mundane names such as 98, ME or NT preferred by Microsoft, the crazy names of each Linux release hint at its renegade nature.

why isn't the industry standard web browser, Internet Explorer, included with Linux? Despite the best efforts of the experts at the Internet Engineering Task Force to encourage adoption of the Internet Explorer standard, the creators of Linux seem to think that they know better.

But here's the dead giveaway:
Computer security is also an area that seems to have been overlooked by the developers of Linux. In these times when hacking and viruses are commonplace, it defies belief to learn that no anti-virus software is available for Linux. To add insult to injury, there is no Linux version of the popular ZoneAlarm firewall. By using Linux, you are issuing an open invitation to the hordes of ne'er-do-wells on the Internet.

The shortcomings of Linux are obvious. Without even installing Linux Mandrake, I have exposed several fundamental flaws.

As with most Satire, the danger lies in the unwashed masses taking it literally...

Smooth Installation... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2419177)

Very smooth installation...until you mistakingly think the grey colored stars meant selected and format the wrong hard drives :(

Re:Smooth Installation... (2, Informative)

Solidblu (241490) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419189)

I know what you mean I almost did that at least 5 times, call me stupid but I think a white box with a check or no check should be a standard for selecting or not selecting things because if you don't understand that you are too stupid to be deciding something

Re:Smooth Installation... (3, Informative)

Jaysyn (203771) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419256)

Ok stupid ;).

If you change the theme of the Installer GUI (bottom left hand corner) it does have little silver & black checkboxes. Of course, it would have been nice if they made that theme the default.

Jaysyn

Re:Smooth Installation... (1)

xanadu-xtroot.com (450073) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419710)

NO KIDDING!

I've been using MDK for a couple years now. I just slapped my MDK 8.1 Install CD in a box to test this. I honestly didn't know those little colored bars at the bottom DID anything...
Thanx for the tip!

First 12th post! (-1)

Genghis Troll (158585) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419178)

What do I win???

Maybe a delay is a good thing? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2419179)

There have been lots of troubles all around w/ this MDK release - devfs causing headaches, a kernel level security issue ... maybe a delay could give them time to apply fixes so that the Wal-Mart crowd won't be left wondering, "Just what is this kernel thing anyway ... "

Seems strange to me (2)

CaptainAlbert (162776) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419186)

When you buy a CD (music or data) in the UK, nine times out of ten it will have been manufactured in Germany, or somewhere else in Europe. We have import costs very similar to those of the US, yet it's still cheaper for foreign companies (like US-based record labels!) to have their manufacturing offshore - even when they're selling to a completely different country.

I suspect that it's just easier for Mandrakesoft to get someone else organising their North American manufacturing and distribution all at once, rather than managing the supply chain from Europe.

amazing nonetheless (1, Funny)

Festering Leper (456849) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419190)

5 yrs ago who would have thought that one could buy linux at Walmart?

Re:amazing nonetheless (-1)

Genghis Troll (158585) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419206)

Just put "cum" in place of every noun you say so people will jizz on your face!

Re:amazing nonetheless (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2419263)

You shop at walmart?

you are one pathetic piece of shit, do you know that?

Let me guess. You still live with your parents?

Re:amazing nonetheless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2419282)

What was more amazing was the Quake CDs selling at 7-11.

Of course... (4, Informative)

Greylin (72313) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419194)

There is always the availability of CDs via Cheap*Bytes [cheapbytes.com]

All three CDs (two install and the supplemental) including shipping for $10 US

You can only preorder it (2)

MongooseCN (139203) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419236)

Same as with the Mandrake site.

You're missing the point. (2, Interesting)

lumpenprole (114780) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419272)

Cheap Bytes (bless their busy little hands) only dl's stuff and burns it, then sells it cheap. Nothing wrong with that, but Mandrake doesn't get a cut, as far as I know. The point of this story is that Mandrake, the orginisation, is having trouble making money because of shippiing problems.

I for one, happen to think it would be a real shame if they went under. Mandrake and Debian are my two favorite distros.

Re:Of course... (2)

SilentChris (452960) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419360)

Except that was delayed until recently, as well. I was expecting my CDs over 2 weeks ago.

wal-mart shelves? (2, Insightful)

TechnoVooDooDaddy (470187) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419195)

You must consider the wal-mart crowd mentality tho.


"Who in their right mind would pay for another OS when one came with the system i bought FOR FREE?!"


It's not really a market i see happening. If you MUST have a Mandrake CD at 2am, most likely you can d/l and burn one yourself..

Re:wal-mart shelves? (1)

Solidblu (241490) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419202)

True True if you have a fast connection, but if you have a modem wtf you going to do download it at 2 am till 2am 2 days later?? Having it at a wal-mart is a convience and also supports the cause monetarily.

Re:wal-mart shelves? (5, Funny)

mrpengin (525583) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419309)

That's funny...

I have a friend who was employed in the "electronics" department at Wal-Fart.
While stocking shelves one day, a co-slave looked at him and said

"What the H*LL is this [the Mandrake box]."

My friend attempted to explain

"So it's like Windows. Isn't that illegal."

My friend now works at Pizza-Hut.

Re:wal-mart shelves? (5, Insightful)

Doc Hopper (59070) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419781)

Just so you know, there is a pretty significant difference between versions of packages marketed by Mandrake. The "download edition" doesn't nearly include all the software, or even quite the same install, as the commercial versions, which bundle Star Office, Real Player, and a host of other useful, but non-free, applications.

I highly recommend buying an off-the-shelf version and comparing it to the version you downloaded. It's rather enlightening, and it's tough to go back to the "download edition" afterward.

This bodes not well... (5, Insightful)

fmaxwell (249001) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419196)

There is no shortage of U.S. firms capable of packaging software and Mandrake's delay in getting their product to market could have dire consequences. The entire Linux distribution market is in a precarious position. Their business model is predicated on most potential customers not having the bandwidth to download multiple CDs, but with cable modems (and DSL connections) finding their way into more and more homes, many people are finding that downloading 1-5 CDs is no big deal. Start it up, wait a few hours or go to bed, burn them the next day.

Add a delay to the availability of a boxed distribution and suddenly people are asking their friends with high-speed connections to download and burn a set of CDs for them. Some that would have paid for a retail copy will now download it themselves rather than wait for it to appear on store shelves.

The only hope that I see for the Linux distro market in the near future is to switch over to DVDs since most people currently lack the capability of burning DVDs from images.

Do0o0o0o0o0o0oom!! (-1)

motherfuckin_spork (446610) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419269)

its the end of the world as we know it.

Re:Do0o0o0o0o0o0oom!! (1)

Roofus (15591) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419350)

In all honesty, that's probably the best reply yet to the parent post.

Re:This bodes not well... (1)

Laszarus (456968) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419271)

Hmm, it would be interesting if distro's only offered iso's in a dvd format. That would certainly encourage purchasing boxed sets with dvd's in them.

btw, 2 of the 4 Mandrake 8.1 offerings supply dvd's in them.

Re:This bodes not well... (1)

leviramsey (248057) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419275)

The other option is including commercial applications only on the boxed editions. For instance, Mandrake gives the boxed users )among other things):
  • Opera
  • RealPlayer
  • Adobe Acrobat
  • StarOffice
  • A few closed-source drivers
I think, in the same vein, it might be a good idea for RedHat or Mandrake to distribute a Loki game or two in their boxed versions. For $69, you get all the previously listed apps, plus all the GPL/BSD/etc. apps you could think of, and a copy of SimCity! That's not much more than SimCity sells for by itself.

Re:This bodes not well... (2)

Junta (36770) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419672)

If a distro could ship all that for $69 dollars that would be one hell of a loss somewhere, considering the price of Acrobat alone... I assume you don't mean the reader, but full application. If you mean the reader, I don't see the big deal... Throw in the Codeweavers commercial Windows-Plugin thing and you might have something... Or that commercial DVD player that ships with that IBM laptop...

Re:This bodes not well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2419283)

Insightful? Mandrake Linux 8.1 is being offered as a DVD. Also many coporations will buy linux regardless or at least linux support.

Re:This bodes not well... (2)

Chas (5144) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419412)

The problem isn't that there are no firms capable of producing the CD's.

But Mandrake had intended, originally, to produce them overseas and ship them to the US.

Apparently a capacity issue at their overseas facility is what prompted them to move US production into the US, rather than wait for their overseas facility to begin turning out the CDs.

Re:This bodes not well... (3, Interesting)

moonboy (2512) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419564)



Back when I first got DSL and downloaded my first .iso images I wondered myself how the companies that centered their business model around the compilation of a Linux distribution and the distributing of that distribution would make it in the "future" where bandwidth would be available in larger quantities and CD burners would be ubiquitous.

Certainly we should all support our favorite distribution by purchasing a packaged product once in awhile. This isn't too hard when most are priced between $30 and $50 dollars.

However, I do not see how these companies can continue to survive much longer without venturing into different product areas as Red Hat has done. I really don't think their revenue streams can support them for much longer. Suse has had troubles recently for some of the same reasons (IMHO).

Mandrake 8.1 is great (1, Informative)

Ripat (19963) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419198)

Mandrake 8.1 really works great for me. It has gotten much better since the last few versions.

KDE 2.2.1 and mozilla 0.94 is included, which is very nice, and I can really recommend this version!

Re:Mandrake 8.1 is great (1)

Publicus (415536) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419286)

That is nice to hear. I can't say I had as much luck with it. I couldn't determine what device was my floppy drive (it wasn't fd0, like it should be) and was unable to mount floppies. It wasn't much of a problem, because I do most of my archiving to ftp, but a pretty important flaw nonetheless. When I went to look for help in the #mandrake chat rooms all I ended up doing was answering questions on installing programs and such.

For anyone whose been using Linux for awhile, but still considers himself a newbie, I would say don't hesitate to try Slackware or Debian. The installs are not all that hard, and speaking from experience the lack of 'user friendly tools' makes a lot of things easier if you just use your head. I used Redhat, then Mandrake, then Debian, and now Slackware. I wouldn't go back to Redhat/Mandrake ever again. I know Mandrake has its niche, and I think its great what the company is doing for Linux, but if you're reading /., you should be, IMHO, be using something like Slack or Debian.

Re:Mandrake 8.1 is great (1)

update() (217397) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419634)

I couldn't determine what device was my floppy drive (it wasn't fd0, like it should be) and was unable to mount floppies.

I had the same thing -- a post on Usenet explained that 8.1 (the download version, anyway) installs a broken /etc/fstab.

On the whole, I've been impressed with Mandrake. I recently built my first x86 box (need a dual boot with Windows on this one) and took the opportunity to try out Debian and Mandrake. The Debian install was just godawful. Could I have managed it? Sure, I've been installing Linux since Red Hat 4 / MkLinux DR2. But I have things to do with my time. Mandrake did a great job with hardware detection and setup. Windows 98, on the other hand, which I've used occasionally but never installed or admined just sucked. It correctly detected far fewer devices than did Mandrake and required a reinstall when I added a modem and again when I switched monitors.

Now, if only I could get that modem to work under Mandrake...

Re:Mandrake 8.1 is great (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2419675)

Uh... who died and made you the grand poobah of Linux distro's.

I'm a 5 year Linux veteran and an open source developer and I use Mandrake because I like it. Plain and simple. You should use what you like and buy it directly from the company to support them, IMHO.

I find it disturbing that people like you try to make it into some macho thing, which quite frankly turns me off from even trying Slackware or Debian. An operating system/Linux Distro is simply a tool which lets me get the job done, not an extension of my penis.

I wonder, seriously, can you tell me how old you are?

Re:Mandrake 8.1 is great (0, Redundant)

iplayfast (166447) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419403)

I agree. I've used Mandrake since 7 and it has gotten better and better. Right now the usability is on par with win98 (or better). Last night I had 3d graphics working and was doing some serious development (3d wise). Totally cool! It's also fast. The biggest difference that I notice between Linux and Windows, is the time to load the programs. Once they are loaded they seem as fast or faster then their windows counterparts. (I develop using Kylix on Linux and Delphi on windows and they two products are very close to each other).

Re:Mandrake 8.1 is great (2)

SilentChris (452960) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419424)

I wanted to use Mandrake since 7 but was held back on laptop incompatibilites. I've used RedHat since the dawn of time, not because it was the best distro per se but that it always seemed to identify my hardware correctly. They were always behind the times with KDE and usability, though.

Hopefully 8.1 will work with my laptop.

Mandrake 8.1 is a pig (2)

tmark (230091) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419632)

I installed it, and it wanted to install 1.7 GB of stuff right off the bat. It took me a while to go, one-by-one, down the list to cull enough stuff so that I could actually install on a 1.5 GB partition. Also, it doesn't seem smart enough to tell that, while my root partition might have 1.5 GB, I have designated a /usr partition where much of the stuff Mandrake will install will go.

What happened to the days when you could install a perfectly functional Linux system with X, apache, perl,gcc, etc. in less than 40 MB ?

Re:Mandrake 8.1 is great (1)

powerlinekid (442532) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419692)

How is this informative? It would be like saying that windows xp is great because it includes ie, whatever revision of explorer.exe they're on and that its better than windows Me.

dumb theory... (0, Troll)

crazney (194622) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419208)

maybe they're moving to america so they are another business in america that relies on linux for their income and can help stop the government introducing the SSSCA :-)

Tariff (3, Interesting)

Matthias Wiesmann (221411) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419211)

The story is funny in some sense, and shows that the realitiy is quite different from the internet mystics. Basically, it shows that
  1. the physical medium and its related problems (time to manufacture and setup the manufacture) are still around.
  2. that for all the talks about global economy, there are import taxes on software - I find it very ironic that there are taxes en free software.

Re:Tariff (1, Offtopic)

linuxpng (314861) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419262)

how about the fact that you go to the store to buy free software, then pay sales tax on that free software.

Re:Tariff (1)

powerlinekid (442532) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419659)

your getting free mixed up... free as in speech does not imply free as in beer in any way. The US govt doesn't care about free as in speech, at least not in the software sense for its taxes. Linux may be free as in speech and the isos may be free as in beer, but store bought distributions are not free as in beer. They cost money and in the US, money is taxed. IMHO of course.

It's US gov't that kill the business (1)

LittleStone (18310) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419713)

I have seen the speed of pirated VideoCD getting to the market in HK. Normally, you can find the pirated version of a movie on the street before the official release. Even if copyright owner put huge effort into protecting the master copy and the production process, pirated version can appear within 2 days. The whole process involve some retailer get the official release, send it back to mainland China (it used to be by courier, now through internet) and pressed CD would be ready in the next day.

This story shows that technologically physical medium production may not need long time to setup. I believe the whole thing is slow because you have to go through all the process of registration (making sure you're not asking the factory to press pirated version of software), and the less competitive response time from factory because the market is protected by the government tariff.

How about... (2, Funny)

gazbo (517111) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419217)

Heinz have had to delay bringing their new type of beans to market, as they are having difficulty getting the cans in time.

Slashdot: So?

s/Heinz/Mandrake/
s/beans/Linux/
s/cans/CDs/

Slashdot: Quick! Hot news!
Hmm. I know how useful sed is, but I never realised it was powerful enough to turn boring tripe into news in just 3 simple commands. Maybe I should read the man more carefully.

Re:How about... (1)

Roblimo (357) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419265)

The "bean story" would be a lead item at (hypothetical) "Canned Goods Retailing" or "Modern Supermarket Managmenent" or "Restaurant Purchasing," none of which would give a rat's ass about Mandrake. And general circulation pubs would/will ignore either story.

This is why we have niche media, okay?

- Robin

Re:How about... (0, Redundant)

gazbo (517111) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419305)

Well obviously I was exaggerating the whole thing for effect, but my point of view hardly differs from yours:
/. is 'news for nerds, stuff that matters' a general discussion board, but restricted to the (not exactly small) field of geekery. As you said, such a general board should ignore this story. However, /. has a subsection for stories about Linux, and there will be some die hard Linux geeks who want to read this story (which really is of little interest to most geeks who could just download anyway). However, my (unclear) point was that it is hardly front page material. The /. front page should cover stories of interest for geeks, not stories of interest to a minority of geeks interested in *any* Linux story, no matter how trite.

A little opinionated, I realise...

Only affects America (1)

kiwaiti (95197) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419220)

It appears only their production for America was being moved to the US, so we shouldn't see any problems over here.
:o)

Kiwaiti

Re:Only affects America (2)

MartinG (52587) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419250)

This seems true, as I recieved my 3-cd set from Mandrake yesterday.

Please take this opportunity... (2, Interesting)

flez (463418) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419224)

... and extra time to fix this distro. I've decided to delay my upgrade until 8.2. Until recently, I was planning on making the upgrade to 8.1. The reports I've read, however, have convinced me to wait. Now that you have the extra time, why not box an 8.1.1?

Re:Please take this opportunity... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2419238)

I've been running this distro for about two weeks now and it seriously kicks butt. The fact that they backported all the major journaling filesystems into the kernel makes this a keeper. I can now run my machine with stock JFS :-)

In the mood to try something new? Give this distro a shot.

RedHat have the same problems (4, Offtopic)

geirt (55254) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419225)

I believe RedHat have the same problems, since RedHat 7.2 has been ready (even on the mirrors) for some time now, but they will not distibute it (ie. add the everyone-read bit to the file permissions) until they have the CDs ready.

The RedHat 7.2 relase is available trough rsync ....

$ rsync -av csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu::pub/redhat/redhat/lin ux/7.2/en/iso

*** Welcome to the Purdue University Computer Society RSYNC Server
*** Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN
http://csociety.ecn.purdue.edu/

This archive is available via FTP, HTTP, and RSYNC at:
ftp://csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/
http://csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/
rsync://csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/

Report problems to ftp@csociety.ecn.purdue.edu

receiving file list ... done
dr-x------ 4096 2001/10/05 01:54:02 iso
dr-x------ 4096 2001/10/04 02:01:50 iso/doc
-rw-r--r-- 50 2001/10/04 02:02:00 iso/doc/MD5SUM
-rw-r--r-- 624476160 2001/10/04 00:35:00 iso/doc/enigma-docs.iso
dr-x------ 4096 2001/10/04 02:03:42 iso/i386
-rw-r--r-- 226 2001/10/04 02:04:22 iso/i386/MD5SUM
-rw-r--r-- 680282112 2001/10/04 00:27:19 iso/i386/enigma-SRPMS-disc1.iso
-rw-r--r-- 542537728 2001/10/04 00:29:25 iso/i386/enigma-SRPMS-disc2.iso
-rw-r--r-- 677961728 2001/10/04 00:22:08 iso/i386/enigma-i386-disc1.iso
-rw-r--r-- 669429760 2001/10/04 00:24:42 iso/i386/enigma-i386-disc2.iso
wrote 94 bytes read 691 bytes 314.00 bytes/sec
total size is 3194687764 speedup is 4069665.94


$ rsync -av csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu::pub/redhat/redhat/lin ux/7.2/en/iso/i386/MD5SUM .

*** Welcome to the Purdue University Computer Society RSYNC Server
*** Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN
http://csociety.ecn.purdue.edu/

This archive is available via FTP, HTTP, and RSYNC at:
ftp://csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/
http://csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/
rsync://csociety-ftp.ecn.purdue.edu/pub/

Report problems to ftp@csociety.ecn.purdue.edu

receiving file list ... done
wrote 106 bytes read 500 bytes 242.40 bytes/sec
total size is 226 speedup is 0.37


$ cat MD5SUM
efab549656a1a85ab8fa39eb873eff0e enigma-SRPMS-disc1.iso
70703897af7703b40e41777a3aa186c3 enigma-SRPMS-disc2.iso
cf7bce0c1cdbfedfae29e60aef202f6f enigma-i386-disc1.iso
fd705b3e5d0e37a828db35d21195a9f6 enigma-i386-disc2.iso

Note that the files are dated 2001/10/04

Re:RedHat have the same problems (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2419260)

They also need to get the mirrors
synced so the mirrors getting it first don't get completely flooded, get the webpages/announcements
written etc.

Anyone mirroring these files? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2419485)

So is there any *public* mirror of the ISOs available? When I tried to grab the 2nd file, it said "connection refused".

Re:Anyone mirroring these files? (1)

Swamp (19020) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419543)

Do you mean mirror the mirrors?

Re:Anyone mirroring these files? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2419572)

Yes, mirror the mirrors, but with the read-bit set, so I can be naughty and install it before it is released.

Again? (2, Funny)

briggsb (217215) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419228)

No doubt, Microsoft is at it again [bbspot.com] .

Mandrake and Walmart (0)

centurion (10584) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419237)

I'm still wondering if he was being slightly sarcastic about Mandrake's smooth install and having the distro available in Walmart.

Personally, I like Mandrake better than any other distro I've used (I started with Slackware about 5 years ago, and it still owns me :-D

The fact that its easy to use and that you can get to the more advanced parts of linux without much hassle makes it a great distro.

I d/led the two install iso's but haven't had time to burn them and play with it :-(

expensive or slow (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2419253)

this is a test to see if your bullitin board works

and remember folks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2419301)

Mandrake linux is not owned by Geoff "mandrake" Harrison

Interesting Politics (1)

jhines (82154) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419385)

Lets see, the USA, promoter of free trade in the world, imposes a tariff on imported software.

I guess the poor ol' US software industry needs the protection of imports, even though until recently they needed special rules to import more tech workers, and the DOJ is working on breaking up MS.

Yea... I'll buy it. (1)

StarbuckZero (237897) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419392)


I been using Mandrake 8.1 for the last 2 weeks and let me tell you I love it. I think Mandrakesoft out done a great job putting Mandrake 8.1 together. It is so easy to configure your network, change boot loaders, install/remove software and download updates. Everything you need all in one place! Now I been a Linux user for two years and sometimes you just want junk to work without trying to figure out every little thing. I know if anyone who want to start using Linux I would give them a copy of Mandrake hell I'm going to buy Mandrake 8.1 when it hit stores. Just to show my support and even if you don't like Mandrake Linux I think everyone need to still support there disros of choice.

This is only a minor bump in the road (1)

iplayfast (166447) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419420)

Mandrake has made such great strides in bringing the Linux desktop to the masses, this little bump will be trod over quickly enough. Heck I've downloaded my 2 cd set and I must say, that I'm planning on buying the bigger version when it's in the stores. (That way I get viavoice and all the other goodies).

It's great value for the money.

Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2419459)

Maybe they would take this time to fix there damn distro. Its pretty damn broken, its non-stop problems. I think they rushed things a little tring to beat out rhs release. I think overall, rh is gonna wip them.

Don't worry. (2, Interesting)

binner1 (516856) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419492)

8.2 is due tomorrow, and 8.3 on Monday.
Seriously...where do these guys find time for quality testing...they seem too busy stuffing the next distro out the door.

Sheesh.
-Ben

Re:Don't worry. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2419580)

Test it ??? Do you seriously belive they do any QA testing these days ? Maybe they used to, but going by the way 8.2 is, they gave up.

Problems (5, Interesting)

tiny69 (34486) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419508)

They are having more than just shipping problems. This was just recently posted to the Bastille mailing list:

Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 00:22:18 -0700

From: Jay Beale
To: bastille-linux-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [Bastille-linux-discuss] Available...


Normally, I don't use this as an announcement board, but times are tough...

I wanted to let everyone know that I'm becoming available for hire, as a number of people on this list have, as a result of some financial issues at MandrakeSoft that have a lot to do with the poor retail and financial markets.

I'm trying to find consulting work, though I'm open to full-time employment if it's a good match.

With that said, here are a couple good links:

My consulting practice:http://www.bastille-linux.org/jay/consult ing/

My security articles: http://www.bastille-linux.org/jay/consulting/secur ity-articles-jjb.html

- Jay Beale
Lead Developer, Bastille Linux
soon-to-be-ex-Security Team Director, MandrakeSoft

Re:Problems (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2419577)

that's bad, as Jay's work has been tremendous in the security of Mandrake, however, wouldn't someone pick up the slack? open source shouldn't rely on $ to survive and I think the whole business model of OSS companies really needs to change to survive. I think this will occur naturally, and this may just be another signpost of that change. Not to worry.

P

So long Mandrake (2, Insightful)

bryanbrunton (262081) | more than 13 years ago | (#2419609)

It is now easy to predict that Mandrake will go down as the biggest Linux distro screw up of all time.

(1) Their management is obviously incompetent. This group of French business dum asses handed the most popular (at least by download stats) Linux distro over to a bunch of dot-bomb e-learning idiots here in the States. They later fired that group. Who knows how much money that cost.

(2) Mandrake has to have the worst marketing of all the Linux distros. There is a reason that no big OEMs that Mandrake seriously. This distro has attempted to sell an operating system that people will use to run their businesses while the main Mandrake marketing motif is a drunken looking goofy version of Tux. As for the Mandrake icons and graphics all I can say is it great that Gael Duval's sister has found work.

(3) The Q&A that you see from the older distros like SuSE and RedHat just isn't there. Mandrake 8.1 uses DevFS. While an admirable technical pioneering effort, you just have to look at the Mandrake mailing lists to see that DevFS isn't ready for prime time. It is pretty much a disaster as there are significant hardware configs that DevFS can't handle. Mandrake went from the distro that has the best hardware support to the distro that has the worst. And this is supposed to be a Newbie Linux? 8.1 shipped with a kernel with a VERY broken VM. I have locked up my box many times now as the kernel after taking all 256 megs of swap dies a horrible death.

Yeah, right (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 13 years ago | (#2419769)

Like anyone uses that junk.
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