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Best distribution award goes to .... SuSE

HeUnique posted more than 14 years ago | from the now-this-is-a-surprise dept.

SuSE 154

ZDNet UK reports that people who voted for best Linux distribution at the LinuxWorld, chose SuSE. Congratulations SuSE! (and if I might add a comment, please improve the GUI installer, maybe even release a beta version before going gold).

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Hahaha (0)

Foogle (35117) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297536)

HeUnique posts a HeDuplicate

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"You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding."

Re:Hahaha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297537)

Seeing double (0)

augustz (18082) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297538)

Needless to say, this says something about slashdot.org quality control. They must be distracted with other parts of the business. Oh wait, running a website IS their business. Now I get it.

Installers? (2)

Anonymous_Hero (142498) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297539)

I know we have to impress the suits and everything, but it seems like installers are the only thing anyone is interested in anymore. If the OS is designed correctly (or if you're really lucky), you should only install once.

Re:Hahaha (2)

HeUnique (187) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297540)

Fixed. DAMN ISP!

Bzzt! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297541)

I've run em' all over and over again through the years. Debian is home sweet home as far as I'm concerned

Cool. (1)

pb (1020) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297542)

I haven't messed with SuSE--the more than complete distribution. Apparently it's *so* big, we need *two* slashdot stories on it, wow! :)

But--big deal. A survey where people pick their favorite distribution. Wow, I've never seen that before. That's about as cool as a Slashdot Poll!

At least FreeBSD wasn't voted as the "best Linux distribution"--I think that'd get some attention! :)
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pb Reply or e-mail; don't vaguely moderate [152.7.41.11] .

Re:Hahaha (2)

Cheerio Boy (82178) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297543)

An 80's song by Foreigner comes to mind all of a sudden.... ;-)



The Tick - "Spoon!"

libjpeg (2)

EnderWiggnz (39214) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297544)

the only problem that i had with SuSE is that it uses a REALLY old version of libjpeg, and upgrading can be a royal pain in the ass... otherwise, it kicks ass... though it could get better at detecting video cards in the beginning, too...

Great for SuSE *so* (1)

1DeepThought (118171) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297545)

Great news for SuSE but really means nothing as evryones criteria is different. We all have our own ways we want to use our system so different distributions will suit us, or you can always roll your own. Anyway congrats to SuSE, should be good for their marketing.

"Patience is a virtue, afforded those with nothing better to do." - I don't remember

A first - story deleted. (0)

augustz (18082) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297546)

I think this might be a first. This [slashdot.org] slashdot story was deleted. See if you can guess why :)

The question is, how many other stories have been deleted? Slashdot usually keeps stories up, mistakes and all, with the exception of adding updates an appologies. Perhaps this is one for the history books. Thoughts? Deleting stories ever legit, even in cases where it was an obvious mistake? Mirror the above story before they yank it from the archives!

Winners Don't Matter (1)

nullspace (11532) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297547)

For current users of Linux, it does not matter if their personal choice in distributions is the best. In the end what matters is how well that particular distribution matches his or her needs. New users of Linux will use the distribution that best helps their needs and wants.

Personally I like Slackware, but to each his own. That it what I love about Linux: the variety in choices. If one type doesn't satisfy you, find another. Anyway congratulations SuSe!

Running SuSE (2)

Gregoyle (122532) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297548)

I've been running SuSE for a while, and while I will heartily agree that for the linux veteran it is by far the best distro, including hundreds of applications that most other distrobutions don't even think of, for the newbie it can be very difficult. My roommate installed it in his system recently and illustrated some of the problems.

1. Yast2 pretty much sucks. A GUI install tool is nice, and I've seen it done well (as in Caldera), but the SuSE one holds your hand in the wrong places and glosses over the wrong places. Plus, the first time he ran it it blew up in his face just for running the "Recommended" setup. Once you got further into the nitty gritty (like, *gasp*, naming the partition on which you want linux installed) it went fairly well.

2. Neither Yast2 nor my preferred Yast include any provision for sound. There are many sound cards now supported by the kernel, so it wouldn't even need to include commercial software like OSS to work for many people.

3. This isn't quite as big a deal, but the CDs are very difficult to browse. There is no real standard directory structure, so looking through the CD to find useful software becomes a bit of a chore (add to that the fact that there are *6* CDs in the latest version!...)

Beyond that, I've loved just about everything about SuSE; once it is installed it is truly a joy to run, and the wealth of useful applications and utilities is very nice.

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Re:A first - story deleted. (1)

Hello folks (120926) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297549)

umm, are you stupid? this wasn't two different people posting the same story, this was the same person accidentally submitting the thing.....get a clue, man.

You are a disgrace to every thinking person in the known world.

(mean, maybe, but i feel it needed to be said.)

Don't be afraid to stick the knife in! (1)

MrBlack (104657) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297550)

The article sould have come from the "Don't let the fact that they've just won an award stop you from sticking the knife into them" department.
"and if I might add a comment, please improve the GUI installer, maybe even release a beta version before going gold."
Congratulating someone and then finishing off by saying something like this. I hope HeUnique doesn't start throwing any compliments my way.

YAST2 is great, but where is partitioning? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297551)

Congrats to SuSE on a fine win. I agree that their distribution is top notch.

My only complaint with SuSE 6.3 so far is the lack of ability to partition your HD during installation with the graphical YAST2 (which seemed very nice for the few minutes I used it). I had to revert back to YAST1 (by booting off the second of the six included CD's) and everything was fine. :-)

LinuxOne's distro will bury 'em all (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297552)

Why, I heard that LinuxOne's distro has a "programming" language called "RPM" (not to be confused with the Redhat Package Manager). And, it runs "on top of" Windoze...what could be better? Plus, it'll have gobs of great vaporware! It even has a game called "Let's screw the investers"!

Oh shut up...there was no knife (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297553)

It's just a way of saying that the installer is weak. That doesn't detract from the fact they won the award. In fact, I think it offers CONSTRUCTIVE feedback.

SuSE (1)

HaikuMan (149428) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297554)

Who needs five CDs
Simplicity is the key
Yggdrasil Linux

Re:Cool. (2)

technos (73414) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297555)

Six CD's, three install diskettes, and it optionally comes on DVD-ROM!

You really should try it. I went SuSE over RH and Slackware, and I like it. It feels a little more, um, 'Solaris'ey than the others, but as soon as you get into the habit of using /opt it's fine.

Word of warning! Recompile the kernel from the main-tree RPM (Not the SuSE sources) or it will spit the occasional German error into the log, and you don't want to see a kernel panic! I hit one, half drunk, and almost wet myself. 'Sie hast Corrupteded die Kernal! Sie ist a eine Moron! Gehen sie back to Microsoft!' or something to that effect. I was drunk, okay??

Not LinuxOne? (2)

/ (33804) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297556)

I'm being facetious, of course, but it does reflect at least somewhat on the integrity of slashdot/Andover that they weren't won over (or bribed) by superior moneyed interests and went with what they felt was actually the best product.

I do have to wonder at people's insistence on these general rankings. Clearly SuSE isn't best for all people, since last I checked Slashdot isn't running on it.

SuSE eval (4)

ak (7569) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297557)

Why SuSE deserves it:
+ They came up with X servers for variety of cards -- back when X configuration for Linux/XFree86 was a pain {remember XF86Setup and xvidtune} they improved X configuration tools.
{ X servers, config tools: SaX, now iSaX }

+ 'YaST' does a good job of centralizing system admin. For most users -- though some of us may hate its SuSEconfig script that overwrites manual changes (unless told otherwise). It is much better than linuxconf in RH.

+ SuSE has a nice database of supported HW on their web page.

+ nice startup scripts with central configuration through /etc/rc.config {or in YaST for newbie}. 'rctab' is a great tool for editing /etc/rc.d/* scripts and changing the order of execution of
the startup scripts.

+ Can't beat their price.
{ I am not considering {CheapBytes/FTP} users }

Some quirks that SuSE needs to correct:
- GNOME RPMs were late for 6.1 version.

- GNOME RPMs are named differently preventing users from upgrading using non-SuSE rpms.

- SuSE keeps on changing files in a package from
one version to next. This is not documented so is painful for people who wish to upgrade. {i.e. el cheapo ftp from suse guys}
e.g. nkita and nkitb contain different tools in
6.1 and 6.2 some tools cross over from nkita to nkitb in new version!

- SuSE was late in upgrading to libc6. {6.1+}

- During 6.3 release -- Their mirrors contained incorrectly marked rpms e.g. ppp-2.3.10 contained
ppp-2.3.8 ! They need better use of RPM naming and consistency of its contents.

Overall I liked SuSE more than RH. Besides it gives a good competition to front runner RH. That is always good. :)

- ak

Linux Distros (2)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297558)

I've only "used" two different distros, but I've installed even more and fielded questions from other people who have been running them. I installed SuSE once, and I hope that I never have to again. Yes, it's installer is very powerful and can be customized as you see fit, but I like RedHat(6.1) & Mandrake (7.0)'s system of installing.

RPM is a great way to add onto an existing Distro as well. I like that. SuSE is a good solid, stable distro but I would like to know how it beat out Debian, RedHat and Mandrake.

LK

Re:It's my birthday! (2)

technos (73414) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297559)

Congrats! If you're in the US, do us all a favour and get piss drunk tonight, kay? I'll be sure to have an extra Heineken, just to help you celebrate!

"SuSE is the worst..." - Eric Raymond (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297560)

"...for its inclusion of non-free software."

Give me Debian or give me death.

SuSE Rules (1)

MaD_HaX0R (149413) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297561)

I agree, SuSE is very deserving of this. I mean, SuSE provides us with a powerful hacking platform. It comes with so many options, the hacker can tailor it to his or her needs with minimal work. The time saved allows for more free time to hack with. Bravo SuSE!

GUI installer. (1)

rew (6140) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297562)

I tried installing a new machine with the GUI (I swear I didn't know I was going to get a GUI. I just popped in the first CD like I always do...).

It omits a few questions that I find essential. I fogot which. One thing I do remember is that it tells me that the root password that I've been using for way too long now has illegal characters. Jee, and I've been using those illegal characters all those years, and NOW it tells me!

Booted the other CD and installed the system.

Roger.

Re:hello (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297563)

I've just put a flute in my ass. The flute is not magical.

It is now my friend, it is now.

Re:libjpeg (2)

technos (73414) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297564)

Really? My copy of 6.1 shipped with 6a, with an option to install 6b. No problems compiling Enlightenment from source, nor the newest GTK.. What release are you using?

of course there's a larger issue (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297565)

you should never trust those kraut bastards.

Linux on Alpha (1)

Fool@Work (107761) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297566)

I just recently got my paws on a second-hand Digital Alpha, and in the process of (re)installing Linux on this beast, I found that the only distribution that would work correctly was SuSE.

This isn't exactly true. Let me expound: RedHat 6.1 wouldn't let me partition my hard drive the way I wanted it to be. At least, not by default (I'm sure the 'expert text' mode would have allowed it, but after booting an Alpha 50 times, you don't want to do it again). Debian wouldn't even boot. I tried every tangled conglomeration of kernel boot parameters I could find, and nothing worked. The debian-axp mailing list was of no use.

Out of frustration, I finally turned to SuSE, which I had never used before. It installed like a charm! And every time I had a problem, the suse-axp mailing list was there to help me. Now I have a running SuSE-AXP system that's blindingly fast. It's so fast that I have trouble tearing myself away from it to sleep at night.

There are some things that I feel SuSE is missing. Most importantly, RedHat's very nifty printtool. I miss that bugger. I'm going to see if I can get it working on SuSE tonight.

Fool@Work

Does SUSE offer an ISO CDROM Image? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297567)

I couldn't find one on their ftp site

Re:libjpeg (1)

EnderWiggnz (39214) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297568)

I installed 6.3 . Installing anything using RPM's complains about libjpeg.so.62 missing. Installing the newest libjpeg from rpm breaks just about everything. KDE goes nuts, you cant install mozilla, upgrade enlightenment or any of the easy stuff that you should be able to do using RPM's.

I'm not sure why they use such an odd set of libraries...

Re:YAST2 is great, but where is partitioning? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297569)

The bad news: Yeah partitioning choices would have been nice. Having the DVD version also forced you to use YAST2. Since I couldn't partition the way I wanted, I told it to just use the empty 7 GB of unformatted space after my C: Drive. Sorry YAST 2 says...can't do that. OK, whatever SuSE programmers. So I exit and waste some time creating empty partitions for YAST 2 to overwrite. The *really* bad news: After installing between my C: and my existing extended partition everything seemed to be OK at first. But SuSE's install changed my EPBR slightly causing a serious problem. First Partition Magic operation was disabled due to the partition error, and after correcting this, my entire extended D through H drives were obliterated. Yast needs to be fixed quickly. This partition record corruption is scary and they aren't warning customers, many of whom are using Partition Magic. Powerquest says its a known problem with SuSE installs. Sent complaint to SUSE, got no reply. The good news: I got lucky and I eventually recovered my EPBR, most users are out of luck. I had no problem getting my $50 refunded for the overpriced DVD. Mandrake 7.0 is ten times better than SuSE

SuSE 6.3 is a very nice distro. (1)

nospoon (126741) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297570)

Having just installed the newest (6.3) version of SuSE on my home PC - I would like to congratulate SuSE on their excellent distro. Only 1 problem I had with YAST2 - installing LILO in the Boot Sector of the Hard Drive would crash it. (Although it is documented by a last minute errata sheet included in the box.) I had to download the latest XSVGA Server for X to support by Nvidia GEForce 256 but it has been smooth ever since. Another small complaint is that if you select ('Install Almost Everything') it seems to default X to the German Language? There is no Spoon.

Re:Seeing double (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297571)

your point is...?

Re:Bzzt! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297572)

rock on :) deb is by-far the best dist of linux. it's 100% free and non-comercial. it's the best designed dist, sure it needs some work on 'being beginer-friendly' but i personaly think that the problem lies not in the software but the documentation. cant wait for deb stable :> (2 months baybe :)

Why suse rocks. (2)

Wizard of OS (111213) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297573)

This isn't a real surprise for me. I've been using suse from version 6.0 (i've had 6.0, 6.1, 6.2 & 6.3 till now) and I think it's better than RedHat. I've seen somebody mention the X efforts from SuSE as as comment, but that isn't the only thing.
For users with ISDN SuSE is the best distro available. Also, I think it's both great for workstations and servers. Yast is a really great tool for administrating your computer if you don't like editting scripts, but that can still be done. The last time I editted my sendmail.cf YaST warned me with a message like:
You seem to have editted your /etc/sendmail.cf. You can find my version in /etc/sendmail.cf.YAST (or something like that).
I do have some experience with redhat, but I think SuSE just outperforms RedHat on a couple of points.

As a former... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297574)

As a former SuSE user I must say that I agree that it iss the best Linux distro out there.
And as a former SuSE admin I can tell you, if you like SuSE, give FreeBSD you will not regret it, you'll LOVE it.

Why Europeans might LOVE SuSE (1)

api (112263) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297575)

I suspect Europeans love SuSE because its half dozen CD's save DAYS of download time over those state owned and/or regulated wires. Sometimes throwing in the kitchen sing is a good thing. API

Re:"SuSE is the worst..." - Eric Raymond (1)

_pragma_ (138370) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297576)

Commentaire puerile!

What a disapointment (1)

fishlet (93611) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297577)

I'm very dissapointed that they could vote for that as their favorite distribution. I tried Suse 6.2 recently, installing it on both my laptop and home workstation. The hideous ordeal of getting everything to work properly made me question my faith in Linux itself. Happily I reinstalled Caldera 2.3 on my system in enough time to resurrect my optimistic high hopes for where Linux is going. Now to Suse's credit, I guess it's a hobbyist delight, with the most software being thrown in of any distribution. After looking over all that, I discovered plenty of 'neat' applications and scientific gnuware which is great for some people, but does nothing for me. The install was not intuitive at all, and it didn't even configure X... I had to do that as an afterstep. Even then, it was very difficult to get the setting right for ATI card (a very common card everone). After many wasted hours I did get it running. I've been playing with Linux since way back when Slackware was still the best game in town, and I have to say installing Suse brought back visions of those days but worse. Maybe I would have agreed with the best 'best distro' designation if it were renamed 'best distro for geeks', indeed for those who love to spend hours in front of their screen tweaking and configuring, Suse it for you. For everyone else though, throw it back.

Re:Seeing double (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297578)

slashdot.org quality control.

Is that like "military intelligence", "jumbo shrimp", etc.?


To tire of endless bashing
Despite repeated web site crashing /.

Different Criteria (5)

redd (17486) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297579)

With regards to people saying that different distributions meet different peoples criteria, I have to agree. 1) At home, I have 64k of bandwidth - I don't want to have to download anything. SuSE's 6 CD's helps a great deal here. 2) At work, on my desktop, I have 100 megs of bandwidth and a local mirror. apt-get (debian) is my friend. 3) On work servers, I use redhat, because it's got the cleanest, fastest install of a "minimum" system, and I know it's gonna work. 4) for hacking, I use slackware, cause you can install a REAL minimum of software and learn loads just by building everything yourself. 5) To newbies, I recommend corel, cause it installs SO cleanly and effortlessly, and can be upgraded to a debian mirror quite easily. that's 5 distributions I use on a regular basis!

Re:Why Europeans might LOVE SuSE (1)

stoney (780) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297580)

I'd bet on that.

Oh boo hoo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297581)

...made me question my faith in Linux itself.

Uh, Linux used to be a do-it-yourself OS. People who actually _understood_ computers loved it because they could tinker with it. You are not one of these people.

You are this type of person:

Someone who likes the open nature of Linux because that means someone else will do the hacking, and you reap the benefits. Gnome, KDE, and all other idiot apps for Linux are proof of Linux's demise as a "cool OS for hackers" to a cash cow for the likes of RedHat and VA Linux.

It seems that the current attitude among Linux users is: Drop everything you're doing, and write some great software which you personally don't care about, but will sure increase the popularity of Linux! The whole "Linux Community" thing disgusts me now, I feel sick.

Slashdot is full of a bunch of whiny losers who have never contributed to Linux, and, probably don't even understand what that means. And no, it doesn't mean being a Gnome developer, a gay themes developer, or someone who writes some horsefuck bash script that gets posted to freshmeat.

Re:It's my birthday! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297582)

Turned 21 aye? Cool, I suggest you go out tonight, drink 2 bottles of Absolut get in your car and drive as fast you can in the wrong lane on the interstate. If all goes well, we wont get any more posts from you tommorrow.

Chao!

BTW, I'm in SUCH a good mood today because my wife left me, my dog died, my kid's a transvestite neonazi, and I'm well on my way to becoming a country star!

Re:Got Pie? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297583)

Hey, at least I didnt give you an old Mac OS.

I know how to change hard drive icons under System 6. And have done it. And enjoyed it. Your point?

Re:Different Criteria (1)

Covener (32114) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297584)

I recall reading that Corel has broken packages after install and an improper/old libc6?

It only proves (2)

slickwillie (34689) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297585)

that more people voted for SuSe, not that it is the best. Unless of course everyone who voted has also tried all of the other major distributions.

SuSE 6.3 has a couple of irritating quirks (1)

Goldberg's Pants (139800) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297586)

It's insistence on installing X. I've got SuSE 6.3 installed on this machine (my not all singing and somewhat dancing P166) with X, lovely, fine. I have an old 486 dx4/100 though and did just a console install, and SuSE bitched incessantly about X missing, plus it claims certain dependencies which are total lies. If you install X there is a lot of stuff it says it depends on, when in reality, depending on the WM you run, you don't need it. Plus it insists on installing the ESound daemon if you let it, which is pretty dumb given my machine has no sound.

The person who said that you should be able to configure sound easily is right. In RH you just run sndconfig and you're away. With SuSE I had to compile sound directly into the kernel. Totally ruined the unofficial "smallest kernel" competition I was having with a friend who runs RH.

Re:Cool. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297587)

FreeBSD is the best linux distribution!!

Re:A first - story deleted. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297588)

I don't see this type of thing happening on cnn.com. I mean come on, it's not that hard.

Runner-ups (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297589)

the next best runner up is the bowl, perfect for distributing hot grits into one's pants. thank you.

Re:Cool. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297590)

Sigh. The dreaded "Overrated" tag.

Read my .sig, and fuck you.
---
pb, 1020.
Damn moderators.

Re:Why suse rocks. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297591)

I'm evil. I use RedHat 6.0 instead of all the "cool" distros, and I use NetBSD instead of FreeBSD.

Hahahahaha.

I like it that way, too :)

Re:Cool. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297592)

hey., don't make fun of my OS.. hehe FreeBSD., everyone makes fun of freebsd

Is there really a best distribution? (3)

iCEBaLM (34905) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297593)

I find all these "the best distribution" awards are really popularity contests and not really designed to show what is the best. But really, is there a best? More importantly, should there be a best?

I dont think so on both counts. Every distribution has quirks, pros/cons, etc that turn some users on, some off, and make some indifferent. Not to mention that having one "best" distribution that *ahem* "everybody" would use would be a Bad Thing(tm) for various reasons.

In the end, SuSE is a quite popular distribution, but the best? No, I dont think so, and I'm glad its not.

-- iCEBaLM

Re:libjpeg (2)

jfunk (33224) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297594)

Are you sure about that. I couldn't find a 6b RPM for any version of SuSE (I'm running 6.3).

I manually installed it from the Red Hat RPM into a different directory. It works ok now, but everything else is linked to 6a, making a real upgrade a real pain.

That's the only beef I have about SuSE, though.

Re:Why Europeans might LOVE SuSE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297595)

This European did an FTP-install of SuSE 6.3 in 3 hours...

Re:Seeing double (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297596)

Yeah. Slashdot is about as unreliable as Netscape these days, and the moderation on this thread is particularly bad.
---
pb, 1020
Damn moderators.

Re:Got Pie? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297597)

I've got a commodore 64 in my pants

Re:Oh boo hoo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297598)

nice high horse, try coming down here sometime I hate it when dorks break out the "uhhh" followed by some inane commentary of intellectual ego flexing.

Re:A first - story deleted. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297599)

Offtopic?

Come on, we're talking about the frickin' story.

Would the moderators who have been sucking on this thread please post an apology, and stop holding hostage the karma of these innocent posters.

Don't worry, it's karma. Later, you won't get meta-moderated into oblivion, and it'll come back to you tenfold when you're still able to moderate, and you do a better job.

Takes a lickin' ... (1)

JDax (148242) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297600)

... and keeps on tickin'. &nbsp That's SuSE for ya! &nbsp I am running 4 different Linux distros (Red Hat 5.2, Caldera 1.3, Mandrake 6.5, SuSE 6.1) on 4 different machines on my home lan, plus a 5th machine has NetBSD 1.4.1, and all I have is kudos kudos kudos for my SuSE on my laptop. &nbsp I have recompiled the kernel a hundred times, installed a million apps, re-installed Netscape, oh.. &nbsp about a billion times, reinstalled KDE twice... just really did everything I could to it, 'cause this is the distro I learned on, and the damn thing keeps on going! &nbsp Unbelieveable!

Thank you Europe for this... :-)

P.S. - The one thing I do miss is something like Red Hat's sndconfig utility...

Re:Runner-ups (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297601)

the next best runner up is the bowl, perfect for distributing hot grits into one's pants. thank you.

r u the raisin guy or is that somebody else?

;)

slashdot and bribery (3)

timothy (36799) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297602)

Re: /'s comments, including "Why not LinuxOne?"

I doubt the slashdot guys are likely to accept bribes for good press. Maybe for a chance to visit the moon -- not for a few bucks.;) Credibility (along with relevance, timeliness and interest) is their stock in trade.

And / points out: "Clearly SuSE isn't best for all people, since last I checked Slashdot isn't running on it." Well, right -- no one says that slashdot (or anyone) is required to do whatever's currently most popular, or grabbing the most press ... the beanies sort of capture some small slice of opinion in some small slice of time. Slashdot has evolved to use what it does, and I know the authors use a variety of distributions (lots of Debian, seems like). SuSE has at least one advantage over most other distribs. that a lot of poeople have pointed out, which is the vast quantity of included software. If you don't want or need it, POOF - ignore it, it's gone! But if you want a few GB of software without tying up your modem till next Xmas, well, it's all there for the taking.

Rankings like this are as useful as you want them to be. They won't tell you what *you* should like, but they might give you an idea of, say, what it might take to convince your boss to try it, or what distrib. might be interesting to try next time you feel like experimenting, or ... whatever you want to use them for.

Just thoughts,

timothy

Re:A first - story deleted. (1)

Jahf (21968) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297603)

Ahh ... CNN.com ... sure, you don't see duplicate stories that often ... but how about:

  • spelling errors
  • problematic grammar
  • bad facts

Of the two, I think I would hold CNN.com, who is the webfront for one of the largest communication companies on the planet, to a much higher standard than /.

Re:Running SuSE (2)

BeBoxer (14448) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297604)

The six CD's is what sold me on SuSE. I run Linux primarily on my laptop, so I can't count on having a network connection. Having a couple of gigs of utilities lying around in my laptop bag really comes in handy sometimes. It's amazing some of the stuff you find in a SuSE distro.

yo man (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297605)

can you spare some karma for brutha' down on his luck?

Re:Running SuSE (1)

Skuggan (88681) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297606)

The six CD's is almost the best with SuSE.

Its better than *icrosofts vision of information at your fingertips. Here it is for real.

If only they could improve the setup of X and sound.
I think that is the only place where they are lagging after the "other" so called operating system :-)

Re:Don't be afraid to stick the knife in! (1)

Wah (30840) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297607)

this is the second time I've seen *really* shitty biased copy from that guy. Who the hell is he anyway.

Cry me a fucking river. (2)

Glytch (4881) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297608)

Here we go with the "When I was your age..." vein of sob stories. Cry me a fucking river. If you really feel that way, go back to Slackware 2.0, or Yggdrasil, or another old distribution.

While you're complaining about the "corruption" of Linux, I'll be happily writing C code for my programming assignments in Cooledit with it's nice syntax highlighting, writing reports and proposals in Maxwell, playing MP3s with XMMS, making some *damn* purty graphics with the Gimp, playing Quake, watching TV with XawTV, playing SNES games with snes9x, and eagerly awaiting news that I'm (hopefully) a beta tester for Corel Draw 9. It's called progress. Cope.

What'll you be doing?

Probably complaining about the influx of "EVIL CORPORATIONS!!!" and "clueless idiots". Here's an idea, buddy. Stop trolling.

I know it's a troll, but I've spent the last three minutes typing this and I really can't stand people who are really like that. Yeah, I'm venting.

Re:Running SuSE (1)

kwsNI (133721) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297609)

As a Linux newbie myself (be nice, please), I have to disagree with SuSE being for vetran users. I've installed Storm, Debian, Red Hat, Mandrake, Caldera and SuSE. I think of all of the distributions so far, SuSE has been, in general, the easiest to use and setup.

As far as the main points there though, I have to agree with everything else. Caldera is the only distro to recognize my Sound Blaster PCI 128 sound card (yeah, it's cheap - no reason to put a good card in with a suckass pair of speakers though). And browsing the CDs isn't difficult, it's damn near impossible for a newbie to understand. I'm still trying to get my sound and NIC to work.

kwsNI

Re:Oh shut up...there was no knife (1)

kdoherty (2232) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297610)

All he said was "improve the GUI installer". That is by no means constructive feedback. Constructive feedback actually gives information that can help improve the system. "improve the GUI installer" only says that the poster is dissatisfied with the installer, but nothing about what aspects of it are poor or suggested ways of improving. It's only a useful statement if the authors of the software know exactly what weaknesses the poster is referring to, in which case the comment is completely unnecessary.

If the flaws in the installer are obvious (which is implied, as no specific flaws are cited), then something as general as "improve the installer" is useless except as a simple vote. Good feedback tends to be appreciated, but that was not good feedback.
--
Kevin Doherty
kdoherty+slashdot@jurai.net

was the complaint necessary? [SC0RE:-17, Troll] (1)

FreeBSDrew (146054) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297611)

. . . and if I might add a comment, please improve the GUI installer . .

Oh, fuck you. You can't just make the announcement without including a complaint, can you? For God's sake, not everyone is so stuck in their M$ mindset that that can't install an OS without GUI widgets.

We all know that Andover.net was bought by VA a short while ago, so now is Slashdot obligated to start knocking anything that doesn't use the VA kernel?

Btw, have you seen the VA web site? LOL! Click on "About VA". Not only do they unecessarily put that paragraph in GIF form, but it's twelve separate GIFs. I guess that Linuxers are too l33t to use font and heading tags, huh? Not everyone has bandwidth pouring out of our asses, you know. I'm reading this on a 28.8.

Just wait. The next site revision will just be a collection of PDFs.

Re:Bzzt! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297612)

As long as they don't do their work on 'being beginner-friendly' they will never appear at the top of the ranks, no matter how free or non-commercial. A few people will appreciate having a non-commercial distribution but many more will appreciate getting started easily.

Re:SuSE (1)

osu-neko (2604) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297613)

This new poster here
His posts are a joy to read
I think I like it

--

Re:hello (1)

FreeBSDrew (146054) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297614)

I've just put a flute in my ass

Dude, I hate to break it to you, but -- that's not a flute. And the guy that sold it to you, he's probably still walking behind you, isn't he? Now you see the truth... The flute is not magical.

Give it a few minutes.

Re:What a disapointment (1)

uebernewby (149493) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297615)

Being new at this Linux thing, I'm glad to hear that it wasn't JUST my ignorance that made installing SuSE 6.2 annoying and that seasoned users have the same trouble. Installing the normal commandline shell was dead easy (and a joy to use, I might add), but configuring X was useless. And the oft-praised SuSE helpdesk was no use either: `Your soundcard is not supported, read the instructions on the box.' Whereas they should've said `download the latest version of XFree as an RPM from our website', which, when I figured this out by myself, solved the problem. It's going to take just a little bit of extra effort before Linux is ready for a mass market, I guess.

Re:"SuSE is the worst..." - Eric Raymond (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297616)

The nerve of those bastards. My copy came in a tin box that also included Quake3! That has to be the most non-free program ever! At least it was a nice tin box but...

Installers (1)

kochsr (144988) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297617)

I think that the installer is one of the more important thing in the distribution. Anyone with tons of "l33t skillz" can actually make slackware work, but if you want a linux desktop environment that actually works, you have to go with something that has a decent installer. Go redhat!

Re:Seeing double (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297618)

Shut up. God, "slashdot.org quality control". Why would you go *on* slashdot and complain about slashdot? If you don't like slashdot, just don't go here.

Re:Got Pie? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297619)

I've some some pants in my Commodore 64.

Re:Why suse rocks. (2)

sbryant (93075) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297620)

I tried using Red Hat on a server at work, but it pretty much sucked for two reasons: one was that as the machine was server it wouldn't be running X; the monitor only did 640x480 and configuring RH was awkward. If you don't have X, or if you only have telnet access, text only config tools are particularly useful. I could have survived with that, but then I bumped into the other problem: RH has no direct ISDN support. SuSE does, and it worked out of the box, so the server runs SuSE.

One thing that annoys me slightly about SuSE: they split some of the packages up across /var, /usr and /etc (eg: apache and mysql). I (and a number of others I talked to) would much prefer them to just be left in /opt (or /usr/local), like KDE is, for example.

We've got SuSE on a number of machines, and it's been fine. Upgrading was no problem - boot off the new CD, select upgrade and it just does it. You can of course upgrade a running system, but it takes longer (have to stop/start things).

Multi-lingual support is very good too. There are plenty of people around here who don't speak much English (southern Germany). Und dann gibts ja au' no' Schwäbisch!

If 6 CDs are too many, you can get it on a DVD. (No, you don't need DeCSS to read it!) Either way, that's a lot of packages - although it's a bit confusing for anyone unfamiliar with Linux in general, who is trying to choose what they want.

I'm quite happy with SuSE, but I'm not sure I'd recommend it for beginners (unless they wanted to dive in at the deep end). I've not tried 6.3 though - I've heard that YaST2 is much nicer, but I've not had cause to upgrade yet. I'm still fine with vi!

-- Steve

"Sure I've had sex with little boys" -Eric Raymond (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297621)

ESR is indeed one if us. Fondling up to twenty children a day, he is a parent's worst nightmare. He trolls the elementary school playgrounds looking like a gay elf, and defiles their youthful innocence with promises of candy and a two-inch penis. I'm proud to call him my friend.

- Chide Molesta

Re:Bzzt! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297622)

The day debian goes commercial..*shudder*...
I should be about ready to roll my own distro.

Driven by a commercially antagonistic attitude? You betcha!

We've all felt the pressures associated with
"shipping" stuff. That's why things suck.
Ship it good, ship it bad..just ship it. And
we're all sick of working on it..we hate it
because the deadlines make us sick.....
This is just a generic form..plug in whatever
product you want.

Software that's free, that's written with
intellectual freedom, in a non-pressurized
environment has *soul* because the guy who
wrote it saw it as some kind of personal masterpiece. Compare this to:
"Oh no! You must get this in on Monday..tuesday..
faster faster...blabla!!

You all know what I'm talking about. Commercial
interests is a slash and burn method. They
taken the internet and are coming for Linux.
I'll never trust a commercial interest. They
burn everything they touch.

suse's pretty good 8) (1)

Chrimble (7748) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297623)

hey ho

earlier today I bought SuSE 6.3 on DVD due to the fact that I managed to lose SuSE 6.1 Install disks 3 and 4 8)

I've literally just finished installing 6.3. I've yet to reboot. Tapped in my network details and here I am!

Anyway, just to add my 10p: SuSE is great, because it *works*. None of the ole redhat shite (I can't believe poeple put up with redhat. I have to use it at work, and it's dreadful at best. Seriously. Probably worse than that, and I've given it every chance since 4.2 (as in evaluate *every* version since 4.2))

SuSE "works". Promise. Drop in the CD/DVD, install, and it drops into a sensible shell. You don't even need to reboot on the latest version. And to be frank. the installer is precisely 1,023,473,121 times better than the DIRE redhat effort, provided you're not phased by a little german (if you're US citizen, you'll need switch the language to english on the first screen. If you're a moron, stick to windows - it's all you deserve).

Debian's good (providing you don't mind a 2.0.x kernel for a stable distro for the next month or two) as is Slackware (which I'd also recommend without pause but *please* avoid redhat. I can't emphasise this enough. And if you *do* have to install it, *promise* me you'll do a "minimum" and compile the rest from tarballs.

Having said that, I wish redhat very success - some of the stuff they come out with is utterly fantastic - but the distro (generally) is dire. Great ideas, but the implementation sucks.

(I mean that the "further up" the distro chain you go, the better redhat is. Gnome support is great, as are highre level OS functions - it's just lower down the OS that it's piss-poor)

Anyway, sorry about the rant; it probably won't do any good, if not for the fact that SuSE is European (and NIH), and RedHat is US. Which is a shame.

Do yourself a favour - install SuSE: and never look back! 8)

Chrimble

Re:Hahaha (2)

DarkClown (7673) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297624)

impressive. got root? we do. goy poot? we foo.

shazam! oh mighty isis!

Re:Not LinuxOne? (2)

Otter (3800) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297625)

What are you talking about? This posting is about a ZDNet UK article, although it's not clear who actually conducted the vote. All Slashdot did is mention it.

Re:Is there really a best distribution? (2)

Arandir (19206) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297626)

I have to agree with this. The latest Linux Magazine had a head-to-head review of all the major distros. They claimed to have three different results, for beginners, intermediates and experts. However, Corel won for all three and Debian and Slackware lost of all three.

I'm currently using Slackware, and as far as I can see, I'll stick with it indefinitely. I was not expecting it to come in first, but I didn't expect it to come in dead last by a wide margin in *all* categories. Slackware is the only distro that DOESN'T have unique features. It's the closest you could get to a "standard" linux without rolling your own.

I still see a need for reviews, especially for newbies, but I don't see a need for reviews or awards that tries to fit every distro into a one-size-fits-all category.

Re:Running SuSE (1)

magnwa (18700) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297627)

SUSE has the OpenSound System included as one of their PAY options on the 6CD set. I think it's on CD#4. Anyway, you just run oss-install.. and boom :) Done :)

Getting Sound to work in SuSE (1)

Funky Green Alien (86943) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297628)

Re Getting Sound

Assuming you've got SuSE 6.1 or newer (heck, it might even work with the older stuff), getting a soundblaster PCI 128 to work is *very* easy.

Su to root, and cd to /etc

edit conf.modules, and there should be a section pertaining to sound, with commented out soundcard modules list a little down from the top...

uncomment out the appropriate card the lines for the es1371.o -- it will be commented as sb/pci 64/128 when you reach it.

exit, and you can usually count on sound working right after that (it did on my system anyway).

Just a note, the soundcard has no hardware support for midi iirc so you may have to find a different prog for that.

Hope this helps.

~FnkyAlien
Female geek in human clothing

Re:Is there really a best distribution? (2)

iCEBaLM (34905) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297629)

Interesting, my favorite distrib is Slack also, been using it for years now, and by no means should be come in last against any other distrib.

Slack is small, extremely easy to download, the install can be daunting for non-experienced users, but its lean, mean, has great defaults, the init scripts are clean, etc.

I'd suggest something about Slackware users and this train of thought, but I'd get moderated down. :)

But really, having no centrally "best" distribution is a Good Thing(tm), those commercial apps that I notice are only for "Red Hat Linux" will start having to be more standardized.

-- iCEBaLM

Re:Cool. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297630)

I use FreeBSD and SuSE. Redhat makes the most noise, but it's infact Bugs Hat. Yes, SuSE and FreeBSD are cool.

Re:Oh boo hoo (2)

Zurk (37028) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297631)

it doesnt mean you have to follow the trend you fucking retard. Do whatever you like - linux may be moving towards the im an idiot crowd, but there are plenty of coders who dont give a shit and code on UNIX because its the best platform there is..and lets face it - linux *is* one of the best unix development environments there is. The influx of money helps a lot of us who get free webspace at several free sites, get listings on freshmeat and have instant help via irc channels run by companies such as VA. and damn - i like having a friendly distro like redhat which i can whack on a box with the minimum of fuss that can be turned into a real unix dev environment without too much trouble - just install a couple of rpms, run a few scripts and delete off the redhat crud and youre all set.

Re:"SuSE is the worst..." - Eric Raymond (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297632)

please choose death...one less foaming-at-the-mouth irrational Debian zealot would do us all some good.

Data-collection was very poor (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297633)

There were terminals in the corner of the show floor where you could make your selection. Is that what they were using to count votes for this award? I found it impossible to make some selections due to what seemed to be a software bug. For example, I was unable to vote for Debian as best distribution.

Not to take any glory from SuSE, but I'd not take this one too seriously.

Thanks

Bruce

SuSE # 1 (1)

papason (4755) | more than 14 years ago | (#1297634)

Yeeeee Haaaaa !!!! Yes, I like SuSE.
papason

Re:It only proves (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 14 years ago | (#1297635)

I've tried different distros since Slack in the pre ELF days. Have tried 6 or 7 different ones since then, and SuSE is the easiest to install and get it up and running.
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